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#91 thwak

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 05:15 PM

Hey what happens to the people who pay for EA's Online Passes then EA shuts down the servers 18 months after the game came out like they've done with every sports game this generation?


The problem with that argument is that it assumes that someone out there is playing a sports game that's 18 months old online.

Infact let's test this theory! As far as I know the servers to NHL 09 are still up and running, if anyone out there has a copy of the game and can get into a ranked match with it please send me a screen shot of this transpiring.

I'll wait.

#92 Jadam

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Posted 16 May 2010 - 07:51 PM

I think the Wombat complaints are amusing. People need to stop taking their video games so seriously and lighten up.

I agree with others that the EA pass is just an attempt to get more money out of people without really providing anything new. However, I almost never buy used games so I'm not sure I really care right now.

#93 Josh5890

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 04:30 AM

Great CAGcast but if unless I missed it, Cheapy gave his E3 predictions but Wombat and Shipwreck didn't. Very interesting predictions though Cheapy. Hopefully more exclusives from Sony and less bouwel movement. (Playstation Move)

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#94 FasterTTW

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 01:10 PM

i think the project 10 dollar philosophy sucks. great, ea is getting more revenue for new games sold, but now we, the customers have to buy a game with a diminished trade in value. whatever the trade in value would have been, it is gong to be worth 10 dollars less. gamestop isn't going to take a loss, they are just going to pay less for all the games with this dumb feature.


Not if they don't lower the price of the used copy anyway. Remember, a while back their stance was that their customers don't care about "extra content" because they are budget minded. I suppose that's why EA is stepping up and making these "bonuses" more and more significant parts of the game.

I really can't agree with anyone on this point: I hate how Gamestop operates... not because they make it hard for publishers(i dont think the game industry deserves freedom from the second hand sales that EVERY other industry deals with).. only because they are so anti-consumer... buying so low and selling so high (though they've been doing better lately - I've found some surprising used prices-like No More Heroes 2 for 20 bucks- and they've had some nice promos going consecutively for a while now.. hopefully they keep this up)

On the publisher side, I hate that they are beginning to treat used game sales as they do piracy. Think about it... you see the same approach to two different scenarios: punish the customers. Why should I, as a paying customer, have to spend ANY TIME at all entering codes to access what I purchased on that disc? Heck, being that all this stuff revolves around EA accounts, some consumers are going to have to go beyond that, calling customer support to figure out how to link their gamertags, etc. I remember a lot of issues with this stuff when Mass Effect 2 came out, and the people I heard it from were well beyond the level that the average idiot consumer is.

Even as a used buyer, why should I feel bad? Why does the videogame industry feel they are above a form of bartering that exists for every non-consumable physical good ever produced? Furniture, cars, music, books. Nothing is exempt from used sales. Media at least has one Ace card- they can, and should, remove their products from being tied to physical items. The music industry learned this the hard way, and the movie industry is finally following their lead(kicking and screaming). Books are making a big leap, but games really are not(except on PC)

..And what all these internet-dependent codes mean in the long run is that at some point, there will be no way to ever get that content back again. If I play Super Mario Bros. 1 today - on my Wii, NES, whatever... it retains the entire game. All the content that I paid for 25 years ago is there. What are the chances that I'll be able to pop in Mass Effect 2 in 2035 and be able to play through Zaeed's loyalty mission? I'm going to go out on a limb and say pretty much none.

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#95 Sigma

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 02:18 PM

I really can't understand why everyone is up in arms about the EA Pass. I personally like the concept and think it will hurt used sales a bit, which is a great thing if you ask me. Companies like Lamestop take advantage of the consumer by buying (especially with sports titles) at a considerably low price and selling for $5 less than a new copy. Being able to buy used is great, but the developers and publishers see none of that money and the fact that Gamestop is reaping in all the profit from used games sales is sickening.

My hope is that Gamestop has major issues selling these games to reap a real profit due to people not wanting to pay an extra $10 which with Gamestops pricing a newer game would actually cost an extra $5 used than it would have cost to to buy it brand new. I hope this results in Gamestop having an influx of used sports games that no one wants to buy and they are forced to lower the prices and eat the cost. That or I hope someone buys a game and the employee doesn't tell them about the online pass and then Gamestop gets sued again and eventually they go out of business forever!

In all seriousness though, like Cheapy. This will not really affect me, FIFA is the only sports game I play that EA makes and I have no problem with buying it new. I also rarely buy used games as I prefer to either pick it up new or wait for a deal.
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#96 itachiitachi

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 04:09 PM

I find it ironic that wombat is lecturing somebody on talking about stuff they don't understand. I remember wombat after being confronted with the fact that he lacked any of understanding piracy, drm, and other aspect of PC gaming, responding by acting like a little girl on her period and refusing to discuss it any time cheapy tried to bring it up.

Wombat,

Although I do appreciate the effort you made in avoiding the r-word, couldn't you just call the guy a moron, idiot, dope, or similar word. As someone who is on the autism spectrum, I am offended to be lumped in with this moron/idiot/dope.

No wombat couldn't because that would require him to not be ignorant

Ya wombat clearly doesn't know the difference between, learning disabilities, autism and mental retardation.

Forgive me if I have a little nuance to my worldview, and am not a black/white ideologue who can't grasp complexity.

 

This is perhaps the most ironic thing I have ever seen on CAG.

 

#97 retromufc

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 04:10 PM

I've given up on this podcast. I've been a listener for the past 20 or so shows. Between the shit, fart, and toilet jokes to CheapyD unnecessarily repeatedly reminding listeners that he is earning a good living based on this website I've just had enough. The gaming talk is decent but I'm tired of listening to the other crap. I enjoy crude humor but most of what Cheapy pushes through on these podcast is not entertaining and in poor taste.

Site is good in spite of your podcast.

#98 RichMeisterMan

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 05:20 PM

Wombat, quit being blinded by the trolls. I don't usually follow the show threads, but when I do it's usually because I asked you or Cheapy a specific question, and for the most part Cheapy doesn't take part in the discussions as much. You are pretty vocal though and on numerous occasions you will bypass legitimate questions in order to get some kind of flame war going with someone that insulted you.

On a few occasions I have inquired about some superhero bull shit that you may have touched on in the show, only to see your response after asking being directed towards someone correcting/mocking/trolling you and my question (and I assume others') being left in the dust.

The only reason I even showed up was because I saw your tweet.

#99 bsachtjen

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 05:25 PM

What i dont understand is why do people complain so much about the show? By now most people know how/what these guys talk about so why do people complain? If you dont like the show thats fine, dont listen to it. There is no reason to make personal attacks at the hosts of the show that is entertaining YOU! Let them talk about what they are going to talk about and stop being douches.


thanks,

and Cheapy, I showed my GF your song and she loved it.

#100 SaintTJ

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 06:04 PM

What i dont understand is why do people complain so much about the show? By now most people know how/what these guys talk about so why do people complain? If you dont like the show thats fine, dont listen to it. There is no reason to make personal attacks at the hosts of the show that is entertaining YOU! Let them talk about what they are going to talk about and stop being douches.


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Exactly. People need to lighten up. I'm so sick of listening to people bitch about either being pc or complaining about what others do. If you don't like it do it yourself. I would like to see half the whiners produce something like this and see how it feels when a bunch of jackasses put you down for something your giving them for free. :roll: Are you lacking something in your lives that it makes you feel good to put someone's hard work down? Or are you just as ignorant as you assume someone else is.

#101 Gureggu

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Posted 17 May 2010 - 09:07 PM

Wow, people get so worked up.

I download every week simply because I like to hear the irreverent banter of the hosts, mixed in with some casual game discussion. Like in real-life, nobody is ever 100% statistically correct, nor does nobody ever say something which might come off offensive to certain people (but like water off a duck's back to everybody else.) I just wish CheapyD told more stories about his adventures in Japan, whether it be about the Pizza Guy or leaving money in the ATM or what's going on with Tai, I always find them fun to listen to and as Cheapy is such a frank guy, the no holds barred approach he takes to detailing things most people wouldn't even mention (a la porn and poop) is something unique you can't find anywhere else. Although Wombat does sometimes seem to be a bit of an attention seeker trying to divert conversations he can't participate in, his repertoire with Cheapy is what makes the CAGcast what is it and it would be pretty flat if it was just Ship and Cheapy, I think. Also, it would be nice to hear how Sabrina is getting along. It seems everyone here hates it when they talk about stuff unrelated to games, but I would welcome something fun like a Kid's Corner where they talk about the fun stuff their kids have done that week.

Keep up the good work and the podcast, it is much anticipated and appreciated each week.

#102 Kezmer

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 01:39 AM

I listen to this podcast because "I GET IT" I mean they are just a few guys bullshitting about games and life like we all do. I mean really if you just started listening I could understand, but seriously, you cannot tell that Wombat is being silly and sarcastic in just about everything? I appreciate a guy who says crazy things knowing fully that it will piss people off enough to come to a forum and bitch at him. The guy is a genius.

I am sure that I am not the only one who even listens and adds my 2 cents in after something only realizing I am not in the room lol.

This is a wonderful show and of all the pod casts i listen too, this is ALWAYS #1 on my consumption list when it shows up on my I-touch. All 3 guys know who and what they are and whether I agree 100% or not with everything they say, I love the honesty.
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#103 Hbomb5

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 02:08 AM

Regarding the discussion on the potential name for a hypothetical Baby Boatcrash, I just assumed the Ships would go with Cheapy for a boy and Wombat for a girl. ;)
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#104 ChicoChanqlueta

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 03:34 AM

Just started listening to the show. And it's awesome! I've been listening to the earlier shows before I get to the current ones while at work, but the Cagcast really helps the time fly at work. Keep up the amazing work and I'm very excited to hear more.

#105 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 04:31 AM

I think EA should just release one sports game, per sport, per console generation and have the new rosters be dlc at a price of $45. People pay $60 bucks every year for just that, but on a disc. This would be a savings for EA because they won't have to pay for manufacturing and shipping, and the player will save $15.

The problem with that plan is that you instantly cut off everybody that's not connected to XBL or PSN after the first year, which would see those sales drop greatly for the second year and that would go down each year after that. Considering that online penetration is maybe 50% at best, you lose out on a lot of potential sales by not putting out a physical product each year.

#106 Sigma

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 06:35 AM

Wow, people get so worked up.

I download every week simply because I like to hear the irreverent banter of the hosts, mixed in with some casual game discussion. Like in real-life, nobody is ever 100% statistically correct, nor does nobody ever say something which might come off offensive to certain people (but like water off a duck's back to everybody else.) I just wish CheapyD told more stories about his adventures in Japan, whether it be about the Pizza Guy or leaving money in the ATM or what's going on with Tai, I always find them fun to listen to and as Cheapy is such a frank guy, the no holds barred approach he takes to detailing things most people wouldn't even mention (a la porn and poop) is something unique you can't find anywhere else. Although Wombat does sometimes seem to be a bit of an attention seeker trying to divert conversations he can't participate in, his repertoire with Cheapy is what makes the CAGcast what is it and it would be pretty flat if it was just Ship and Cheapy, I think. Also, it would be nice to hear how Sabrina is getting along. It seems everyone here hates it when they talk about stuff unrelated to games, but I would welcome something fun like a Kid's Corner where they talk about the fun stuff their kids have done that week.

Keep up the good work and the podcast, it is much anticipated and appreciated each week.

I 100% agree with everything you said.

I love the CAGcast, I look forward to it weekly and have been listening since the start. The main reason I look forward to the CAGcast each week is the fact that Cheapy, Wombat, and Shipwreck talk about games, geek culture, and life; all very casually. It's like listening to your buddies talk about video games and joke around.

I'd done a short lived podcast in the past when I worked with Kombo.com and myself and the guy who worked on it with me just didn't have the chemistry CAGcast has. The project never saw past a handful of episodes.

Keep up the great work guys and haters stop CAGcast bashing dammit!
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#107 TheToiletDuck

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 02:08 PM

I'm totally singing that song next time i go to poop in the toilet.

#108 morph3us

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 07:56 PM

ok, I am going to have to completely disagree with you guys on the ea online pass. I play about 0 ea sports games, but am afraid that if this succeeds it will transfer to other games, then they will start charging 70 dollars a game. This is nothing but a money grab as the used gamers cost them no more than the original buyers did. Also I am sure alot of people trade in used games buy other ea games, so they do in fact make money off the used games market, they just feel like they don't make enough.

This is the only industry that feel like people should not be able to purchase used, can you imagine if ford charged you 1,000 dollars to use the ac and stereo on your 5,000 dollar used car?

#109 FasterTTW

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Posted 18 May 2010 - 08:00 PM

The problem with that plan is that you instantly cut off everybody that's not connected to XBL or PSN after the first year, which would see those sales drop greatly for the second year and that would go down each year after that. Considering that online penetration is maybe 50% at best, you lose out on a lot of potential sales by not putting out a physical product each year.


So perhaps they update the core game each year(replacing the old), but offer the DLC as an option to those who already purchased it.

#110 super_nerd

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Posted 19 May 2010 - 05:22 AM

I would like to have Cheapy sing the poopee song at my wedding, where do I sign up? Here's my credit card number, 12345 (same combination as my luggage!).

I agree with Cheapy on the EA and dlc matter; thanks to CAG I buy new games cheaply so it doesn't effect me. If there's anything to get angry over, it's pay for dlc. Take Mass Effect 2 for example. I love this game but all this dlc is nonsense! I'm shaking my fist in the air here. What next, charging for my space hamster in ME3! Please don't do that :( I am not buying ME3 until a goty edition is released because this is getting out of hand.

Great show as always, and Cheapy needs to sing more.

P.S. I am stalking Wombat on steam. I hope I can grief you in the near future Wombat, buy and play some more games on steam!