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#91 Pck21

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 07:50 PM

I doubt it will be the only game I get (or play), but if Dance Central is as good and fun as it's supposed to be, to me it will be worth buying the kinect just for that game.

I mean how many people play fable 2, guitar hero 1, gears of war, and call of duty 2 on a daily basis? Those games together cost as much (more actually) as the Kinect (plus another game) does when they came out, but I doubt hardly anyone still plays them on a daily basis (or even close to it) any more.


I see your argument, but I wasn't really talking about the games, just the console. I know many of my friends have a Wii and a 360. The 360 is played on a nearly daily basis and the Wii collects dust. There are some fantastic titles for the Wii, no question, but not nearly as many as the 360 or PS3. Plus, many people play games online these days, which the Wii simply can't compete with, motion controls or not.

The games you mentioned are also older titles. I know guys who play MW2, WaW, Gears 2, NHL 11, Madden 11, and so on every day. I don't see Kinect games, past, present, or future, being able to sustain a long life due to either the quality of the game, multiplayer (or lack thereof) or the motion controls. Also, the Wii is completely motion controlled. Every Wii comes with a motion control controller while the Kinect is niche at best right now.

With all that being said, if a game interests you enough to warrant the $150 price tag and $50 for the game, then by all means buy it and enjoy it. I'm just second guessing my own purchase/pre-order right now based on my own personal experience and the experiences of my friends who, like me, also have limited space to play games.

I'm pretty sure MS (and Sony) are shooting for a home entertainment device (hence them being able to do so much), so of course someone who has the 360 in their bedroom wouldn't be what they are aiming for with the Kinect. They want it in the living room, where everyone can use it.


I completely agree. I think they are shooting for a home entertainment setup with the 360 and now Kinect. My argument is that a home entertainment center is not always a spacious living room with a couch, rug, a mother, father, two kids, and a dog in perfect light and all of that. The 360 can be played anywhere in the house or apartment without any real issues; why dilute or shrink the target audience from everyone who has a 360 (potentially) to families with a huge living room who play games maybe once a week?
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:38 PM

I see your argument, but I wasn't really talking about the games, just the console. I know many of my friends have a Wii and a 360. The 360 is played on a nearly daily basis and the Wii collects dust. There are some fantastic titles for the Wii, no question, but not nearly as many as the 360 or PS3. Plus, many people play games online these days, which the Wii simply can't compete with, motion controls or not.


I play my 360 almost daily, and my Wii has been collecting dust despite some quality games. It just doesn't stack up to my PS3 or 360 sadly.

The games you mentioned are also older titles. I know guys who play MW2, WaW, Gears 2, NHL 11, Madden 11, and so on every day. I don't see Kinect games, past, present, or future, being able to sustain a long life due to either the quality of the game, multiplayer (or lack thereof) or the motion controls. Also, the Wii is completely motion controlled. Every Wii comes with a motion control controller while the Kinect is niche at best right now.


I know they are older titles, that was my point. If I (or anyone) bought Kinect and played it every other day for an hour or 2 at a time (or more) for 6 months straight and then didn't touch it again, how would it be different than even the games you're mentioning? At some point you move on to a different game. If a great game for the Kinect comes out people will keep playing it (the Kinect), it's not like it's only going to have the 7 launch games.

The Wii isn't completely motion controlled either, a lot of games can be played without it. A lot of good games at that. I agree the Kinect is niche right now. But so are jRPGs, card games, fighting games, etc. Just because it doesn't appeal to you (not you, but a rhetorical you), doesn't mean it's doomed to fail or that many people aren't interested in it.

With all that being said, if a game interests you enough to warrant the $150 price tag and $50 for the game, then by all means buy it and enjoy it. I'm just second guessing my own purchase/pre-order right now based on my own personal experience and the experiences of my friends who, like me, also have limited space to play games.

Space is definitely a factor, I have plenty of room if I move my coffee table. Not everyone can create as much space as I have even with my coffee table between the couch and tv.


I completely agree. I think they are shooting for a home entertainment setup with the 360 and now Kinect. My argument is that a home entertainment center is not always a spacious living room with a couch, rug, a mother, father, two kids, and a dog in perfect light and all of that. The 360 can be played anywhere in the house or apartment without any real issues; why dilute or shrink the target audience from everyone who has a 360 (potentially) to families with a huge living room who play games maybe once a week?

I agree it isn't that. But that's what they are marketing it for. That's what they want their market to be.

The target audience is far larger than what you or I (or what I used to be) are. (I'm skeptical about needing perfect light for the record) Rather than going to a family movie or something, MS wants to carve out a portion of that entertainment money (1 movie for 4 is almost equal the cost of a game, depending where you go). MS doesn't care if they play the game 24 hours a day, or not at all. All they care about is how many units they move (and rightfully so).

Even if the game line-up were different, you even said that space would hinder you from being able to use the kinect. So are they really even shrinking the market? You've (again rhetorical you) shrunk it for them.

They put out a racing wheel peripheral, they certainly weren't planning on selling one to everyone who has a 360 (this is no different). It's important to be diverse, especially if you want to get in everyone's home, when so many people have so many different interests.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 08:49 PM

I'm on the fence, I want one because I think it'd be neat, but I don't want to move my table out of the way and move my couch back a few feet everytime I want to stand and wiggle as opposed to flop on the couch for a game.
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:19 PM

FYI: Burger King has a Kinectamals kids meal going on right now. You get an animal toy that comes with a image code that you then scan into your Kinect unit to get the same toy for your virtual kitty.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 09:33 PM

My Kinect finally shipped from the Microsoft Store today! There's no way I'm getting it tomorrow, but I'm just happy I was able to get it so cheap. :bouncy:

My local Wal-Mart already had Sonic Free Riders out for sale today and the boxes are definitely purple. I don't know if I like them yet, but that's certainly one way to distinguish the Kinect games from the regular Xbox games. (For anyone wondering, the spine remains the same)
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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:02 PM

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so basically they can record everything you do ever and tag it to your system ID and transmit the data to their affiliated partners with no warning to you.

so please, put pants on before playing.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:06 PM

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so basically they can record everything you do ever and tag it to your system ID and transmit the data to their affiliated partners with no warning to you.

so please, put pants on before playing.


So no more spanking it in from of the Kinect?

Seriously, my Kinect freaks me out. When you walk in the room, if your Xbox notices that your are in there and turns off the screen-saver and indicates you should wave.
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#98 LinkinPrime

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:07 PM

It seems its only tracking and sending stats, which is nothing new to XBL...I don't see where it says its recording you?

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:16 PM

I know Dance Central looks nice but there is already a dance game for casual gamer, Just Dance on wii. I dont see it getting more support than Just Dance 2. Just Dance is the number 3 selling game on amazon while Dance central is the 16th

I wont read to much to the SD post when her husband is on MS's payroll. At the same time you have to hate MS's software mentality and release whatever and hope to fix it on update.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:21 PM

I doubt it will be the only game I get (or play), but if Dance Central is as good and fun as it's supposed to be, to me it will be worth buying the kinect just for that game.

I mean how many people play fable 2, guitar hero 1, gears of war, and call of duty 2 on a daily basis? Those games together cost as much (more actually) as the Kinect (plus another game) does when they came out, but I doubt hardly anyone still plays them on a daily basis (or even close to it) any more.


It is different. People buy the Xbox 360 harddware and then more games and eventually MS made money. People buy the Kinect and stop buying games it is going to be a problem.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:33 PM

It looks like some dude got his Kinect early. (The hands on video was originally posted on the deals forum)





I'm a surprised to see that the dashboard features work so well and I might actually use them. I really interested to see what he has to say about Dance Central, which is pretty much the entire reason why I'm buying the Kinect.

Edit: Their Dance Central Review.


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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:33 PM

It is different. People buy the Xbox 360 harddware and then more games and eventually MS made money. People buy the Kinect and stop buying games it is going to be a problem.

Plenty of people bought a 360 and stopped buying games shortly thereafter.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:39 PM

Plenty of people bought a 360 and stopped buying games shortly thereafter.


you point is that once people done with a game they dont go back to them. But by spending money on new games it is not a problem. Yes there will be people who stopped buying games, but Xbox 360 software sales is doing fine every month. Compare to the Wii where hardware is selling but not software. For MS to be pushing Kinect like this they need ongoing software sales.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:41 PM

I know Dance Central looks nice but there is already a dance game for casual gamer, Just Dance on wii. I dont see it getting more support than Just Dance 2. Just Dance is the number 3 selling game on amazon while Dance central is the 16th

I wont read to much to the SD post when her husband is on MS's payroll. At the same time you have to hate MS's software mentality and release whatever and hope to fix it on update.


Which is great for people that already own a Wii...

BTW, the guy didn't work for Microsoft. He was in the Kinect Beta.



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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:52 PM

you point is that once people done with a game they dont go back to them. But by spending money on new games it is not a problem. Yes there will be people who stopped buying games, but Xbox 360 software sales is doing fine every month. Compare to the Wii where hardware is selling but not software. For MS to be pushing Kinect like this they need ongoing software sales.

Yea, but they don't need ongoing Kinect software sales (by that I mean top 10 all the time), especially considering there are people who regularly buy (non-kinect) software anyway. MS will have ongoing software sales, just like they have had all generation.

This is being launched like a new console, but it isn't a new console. For every kinect they move it is a win for them. For every kinect bundle they move it is a bigger win.

For people who don't have a 360 and get one for kinect, you would think they'd eventually get "regular" games as well. People who already have 360s and get the kinect is just a great bonus for MS.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 10:57 PM

Glad the dashboard voice commands work ok for the people in that video, but this reeks of something you'll use a few times for novelty, then it'll be right back to using the controller.

"Xbox"

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pause...pause...pause

"Yes"

pause...pause...exit.

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Posted 03 November 2010 - 11:48 PM

Glad the dashboard voice commands work ok for the people in that video, but this reeks of something you'll use a few times for novelty, then it'll be right back to using the controller.

"Xbox"

pause...pause...pause

"Exit"

pause...pause...pause

"Yes"

pause...pause...exit.

vs.

Press guide button.

Press Y.



Yeah.


I need an "XBOX....ON" feature. Otherwise won't I already be holding a controller?
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 01:37 AM

I can't find anywhere that talks about how or if you can use it as a replacement for a headset in regular gaming.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 01:57 AM

So.. I forgot I pre-ordered a Kinect months ago when Amazon was doing the $30 credit deal.. got it with Kinectimals and the stand-alone sensor.

I don't want it, and it'll be here tomorrow.. anyone think there is going to be a market for these?

My kids wanted it, and was going to give it to them for Christmas, but now they want other stuff.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 02:11 AM

So.. I forgot I pre-ordered a Kinect months ago when Amazon was doing the $30 credit deal.. got it with Kinectimals and the stand-alone sensor.

I don't want it, and it'll be here tomorrow.. anyone think there is going to be a market for these?

My kids wanted it, and was going to give it to them for Christmas, but now they want other stuff.


I bet you anything they will want it after it becomes the hot talked about toy of the season and the marketing tidal wave smashes through their lives.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 02:25 AM

They are 5 and 3, of course they "want" it.. but we decided against making this their big gift... I could have sworn I cancelled this pre-order.. and then got the shipping e-mail.. oops.

Maybe I'll just try to sell it for the $200 I got into it.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 02:41 AM

They are 5 and 3, of course they "want" it.. but we decided against making this their big gift... I could have sworn I cancelled this pre-order.. and then got the shipping e-mail.. oops.

Maybe I'll just try to sell it for the $200 I got into it.

You could always return it to Amazon (order created by mistake; since you thought you canceled it).

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 03:17 AM

They are 5 and 3, of course they "want" it.. but we decided against making this their big gift... I could have sworn I cancelled this pre-order.. and then got the shipping e-mail.. oops.

Maybe I'll just try to sell it for the $200 I got into it.


Yep, you could return both items to Amazon with no problems. If you really want to sell it, I'm sure you could make a few bucks on eBay or Amazon Marketplace.
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Posted 04 November 2010 - 04:02 AM

Kotaku is going to post start posting reviews at 10:01pm PST/11pm Mountain/12am CST/1am Eastern
http://kotaku.com/56...-flood-incoming

I suspect that this is when the embargo ends and everyone will start posting Kinect reviews.
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Kotaku is going to post start posting reviews at 10:01pm PST/11pm Mountain/12am CST/1am Eastern
http://kotaku.com/56...-flood-incoming

I suspect that this is when the embargo ends and everyone will start posting Kinect reviews.


They're already posted. The general census between Kotaku and IGN is that it's okay and it has potential. IGN gave it a 7.5. The highest rated 360 game that I saw was a tie between Kinect Sports and Dance Central at 8.0.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 04:12 AM

Kotaku is going to post start posting reviews at 10:01pm PST/11pm Mountain/12am CST/1am Eastern
http://kotaku.com/56...-flood-incoming

I suspect that this is when the embargo ends and everyone will start posting Kinect reviews.


It was actually a decent review, but it pointed out everything most people assumed.

It works pretty well, but it still has a few flaws. Voice recognition is excellent. Needs a "Killer App" like Wii sports. You need a lot of room...blah blah blah.

I'll wait on a game i'm really interested in. not just sort of :)

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 04:12 AM

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 04:58 AM

Played a little Kinect Adventures with my gf. She's playing Kinectimals now. I'll play Dance Central next.

Voice control works great. Body recognition can be a little janky, but overall worked better than I expected.

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 05:44 AM

Just realized Kinect doesn't work with Netflix =/ That sucks. One of the major reasons I was buying it. Oh well mine arrives from Amazon tomorrow.

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