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#7141 foltzie

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:31 PM

Did you not account for the value of the downloaded games? The buyer got a bargain.

It's not like iTunes or Kindle where you could conceivably use the files on something else. It's like my wife, who kept our DSL modem even though we got cable internet. It's like selling a car with tinted windows, buying a new car and calling up Toyota and asking them if they can tint your windows for free.

Do you normally keep games (discs, cartridges) for a system you sell? It seems bizarre not to sell the games as well.


Not bizarre at all. Steam, iTunes, XBL, and PSN do transfer content to a new device using an account system. Software and hardware are generally separate, Nintendo has been the sole exception in this newer digital age.

You provide an reasonable example with the car analogy, but that simply isnt how it works with digital content most other places.

Eidt: I should say I am cognizant of this and thus measure my Nintendo digital purchases carefully. I certainly spent a LOT less on Wii VC games as a result.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

The GBA Ambassador Games, right now at least, are irreplaceable and priceless. You can't get them on 3DS right now.

I definitely won't defend Nintendo on its' 'tied to hardware' mentality, as it's ridiculous that they haven't fixed it (On Wii U, your games are tied to your account, BUT your account, for the time being, is tied to your hardware. yeah...), but I will say that it's easier to get your things back than most people let on.
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#7143 Rig

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

Do you normally keep games (discs, cartridges) for a system you sell? It seems bizarre not to sell the games as well.


Um....yes. Why not sell the old hardware when you know a revised model is coming soon? Just because I'm selling a console/handheld doesn't mean I want to part with all the content I purchased on it.

If I'm going by your logic, why the hell did I hang onto all those PS1 games way back in the day when I sold my system (and nearly every other system released in the last ten years)? Oh...wait...I think my PS2 played them just fine...

#7144 SaraAB

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 03:27 PM

I don't think a system with digital versions of games would sell for more or the same than a system with the same physical game cartridges. Unless I can be proven wrong here in which case I will eat my words. Heck some stores even wipe all the content from the system, not that you can't just go to the e-shop and figure out what the previous owner downloaded and then download it again but most casual buyers do not know that. Stores do not take into account which games are on the system when you trade it in now do they? They don't give you more for a system that has 5 retail price digital downloads on it than they do for a system that is just a plain system, again, unless I am wrong here, but I know that GS does not take that into account when trading in systems. They don't give you the same value if you have a system with 5 digital games on it that they would give you if you had a system with 5 cartridge games.

Regardless all this digital stuff is just a bad investment especially at $30-40 a pop for games, unless you have tons of money to waste and a steady, well paying job that you will never be fired or laid off from or will end for some other reason. Because if something happens and you need cash quick and you want to sell your games you won't be able to sell them if you have digital versions, if you had the physical version you could flip your games for cash pretty quickly and sometimes a lot of cash, and it would not be a regret to have blown hundreds of dollars on digital games if you are now in financial trouble. With the prices of these digital games the money can add up much faster than you realize and before you know it you have a couple hundred sunk into digital games, games that cannot be recovered if your system gets lost or stolen.

If you plan on your 3DS working forever which it will not, buttons will wear out and batteries will need to be replaced eventually, if there are no replacements left on the market this will be a problem. Yes there is the transfer option but if the system dies totally and you are unable to do a transfer then you are theoretically screwed. Long term (20+ years) the 3DS will eventually become dead, and all your digital content will be gone, just gone. Whereas if you had a cartridge game you could at least either sell it off before the system became totally obsolete or purchase another system to play it on and easily slip the cartridge into the system and resume playing.

#7145 moothemagiccow

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:02 PM

So gamestop is too dumb to figure it out? So what? Don't sell to gamestop. When I sell my PS3, the games are going with it.

Um....yes. Why not sell the old hardware when you know a revised model is coming soon? Just because I'm selling a console/handheld doesn't mean I want to part with all the content I purchased on it.

If I'm going by your logic, why the hell did I hang onto all those PS1 games way back in the day when I sold my system (and nearly every other system released in the last ten years)? Oh...wait...I think my PS2 played them just fine...


Oh no, you found the gaping backwards compatibility loophole. How'd that work out with PS3? Now you're just nitpicking.

It's dumb to own games for a console you don't have. This kind of system doesn't benefit you; it benefits the publisher, who gets to sell digital games to you and the person you sell your console to.

I don't know how anyone can justify selling a console and then buying it again later. It's a complete money sink.
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#7146 Javery

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:14 PM

Just bought Mario and Donkey Kong - going to check it out now...

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#7147 Rig

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

So gamestop is too dumb to figure it out? So what? Don't sell to gamestop. When I sell my PS3, the games are going with it.

Oh no, you found the gaping backwards compatibility loophole. How'd that work out with PS3? Now you're just nitpicking.

It's dumb to own games for a console you don't have. This kind of system doesn't benefit you; it benefits the publisher, who gets to sell digital games to you and the person you sell your console to.

I don't know how anyone can justify selling a console and then buying it again later. It's a complete money sink.


Answering your question is "nitpicking"? And a loophole...okay, make sense. :roll:

And a money sink? WE ARE ON CAG! Do you honestly think there aren't ways to sell an older model/older system and get the newer one for nothing/next to nothing out of pocket?

#7148 johnnypark

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:53 PM

So gamestop is too dumb to figure it out? So what? Don't sell to gamestop. When I sell my PS3, the games are going with it.



Oh no, you found the gaping backwards compatibility loophole. How'd that work out with PS3? Now you're just nitpicking.

It's dumb to own games for a console you don't have. This kind of system doesn't benefit you; it benefits the publisher, who gets to sell digital games to you and the person you sell your console to.

I don't know how anyone can justify selling a console and then buying it again later. It's a complete money sink.


Systems break, can get stolen, or might be sold if you hit hard times. Doesn't mean you get rid of your favorite game(s) in case you can afford a system later. Tons of people were selling their old 3DS's to get an XL, myself included, and it required an extra hoop to jump through to make sure digital content transferred since you had to have both systems physically available (which I will admit was a pretty painless process once everything was set up). Otherwise it would have been a lot easier to sell the old 3DS a month in advance and possibly get more money for it in some circumstances.

Also, I haven't owned a PS1 in years but still own a few hard to find favorites.

Here's another example. I don't personally own a 360, but I'm borrowing one from a friend and might buy my own eventually. I've bought a few games on XBL because I know my content will be available under my username. I've also bought a few real games (dying to play Alan Wake) that I don't technically even own the right system to play them.
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#7149 elessar123

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:54 PM

Did you not account for the value of the downloaded games? The buyer got a bargain.

It's not like iTunes or Kindle where you could conceivably use the files on something else. It's like my wife, who kept our DSL modem even though we got cable internet. It's like selling a car with tinted windows, buying a new car and calling up Toyota and asking them if they can tint your windows for free.

Do you normally keep games (discs, cartridges) for a system you sell? It seems bizarre not to sell the games as well.


1) If I sell my DSi and get a 3DS, I shouldn't be expected to play DS games?

2) I don't have a Vita but I have three games for it -- Virtue's Last Reward with a couple watches, Ragnarok Mercenary CE, and P4 with Vita skin. Should be obvious why I bought them. By your logic, I shouldn't have any of these games. Edit: I also *gasp* have half a dozen Vita games from PS+ that I will be able to play a year from now, if I buy a Vita by then.

3) I don't have a way to play UMD games any more, but I still have the games. So what? I also ripped several of them to play on my PSPGo, where it'd be illegal if I sold the UMDs. By your logic, I should get rid of all my UMDs. Guess what, it's easier to find a PSP than 150 UMDs.

I don't know why your siding with Nintendo on this. This is a clear case of a system behind the times.

#7150 SaraAB

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

The PS4 is not going to be backwards compatible from what i hear and who knows about the 360 so I am not touching any digital games until I know what is going to happen to the few I purchased.

I am in the long haul for this and I want my games to last a long time

I am also kind of afraid that when Nintendo does finally fix their system if they ever do that your purchases from this gen will somehow not transfer to the new account system not all DSI ware transfers to the 3DS for example.

What I don't understand is that Nintendo basically has the system already set up with club Nintendo accounts especially for those of us like me who have had club Nintendo accounts from the day club Nintendo launched. It just seems that it is completely arbitrary whether or not they restore your games if something happens and that is not really fair. Their customer service is clearly not as good as it used to be after reading various posts around the web, they just seem less willing to help the customer and they seem to make sure they want you to purchase whatever games you have multiple times since it makes them more money and the fans will do it.

Also does anyone feel a bit slighted by Nintendo in regards to their statements about DLC, I seem to recall Nintendo saying they will absolutely not make things like day 1 DLC for their products but yet they went and did it for Fire emblem. I also recall Nintendo saying they will never have free to play games on their console and now Tank Tank Tank is a microtransaction heavily restricted free to play game just like a lot of other games on the market.

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:11 PM

Huh, what thread did I click on?
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#7152 soulvengeance

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:34 PM

Just bought Mario and Donkey Kong - going to check it out now...


Curious to know how this game is.
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#7153 Javery

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:18 PM

Curious to know how this game is.


It is pretty good. I've only finished about 20 levels and there has been virtually no challenge though. I can see how things could (and hopefully will) get crazy. This is typical of the series. Definitely worth $10, IMO - especially if you like the other MvDK games.

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#7154 zyk

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:34 PM

Well I ended up getting a black 3DS. My friend sold me his for $100 :bouncy:, practically new. I went out and picked up Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. Good rotation to keep me busy for a while :)

#7155 whoknows

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 02:31 AM

It is pretty good. I've only finished about 20 levels and there has been virtually no challenge though. I can see how things could (and hopefully will) get crazy. This is typical of the series. Definitely worth $10, IMO - especially if you like the other MvDK games.


I've never played any of the other MvDK games. Is this one just as good or does it feel like a budget title?

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#7156 Halo05

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:06 AM

I caved and preordered the Animal Crossing 3DS XL. I like the design and I was going to get the game soon anyways. Plus all I have now is the purple 3DS so I'm not going to be replacing anything noteworthy.

Quick question though, once I do a system transfer of all my current 3DS stuff, I'll still be able to play the digital version of Animal Crossing on the new system right? I'd hate to overwrite AC with my Gameboy VC games and Crimson Shroud.

As many of you know, black ops 2 is plaid with bugs, lag etc which many people have been suffering including me.


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#7157 RedvsBlue

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:14 AM

I caved and preordered the Animal Crossing 3DS XL. I like the design and I was going to get the game soon anyways. Plus all I have now is the purple 3DS so I'm not going to be replacing anything noteworthy.

Quick question though, once I do a system transfer of all my current 3DS stuff, I'll still be able to play the digital version of Animal Crossing on the new system right? I'd hate to overwrite AC with my Gameboy VC games and Crimson Shroud.


Yeah, it's still accessible. I wanna say that when I transferred from my zelda 3ds to the XL with MK7 that I had to re-download MK7 after the system transfer but I was definitely able to keep it.

#7158 hotpocket

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:16 AM

Hmm, I am in favor of buying physical copies of games but Animal Crossing is making me think twice.

It does seem like the perfect game to have downloaded onto your system. I am torn. :S

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:26 AM

Hmm, I am in favor of buying physical copies of games but Animal Crossing is making me think twice.

It does seem like the perfect game to have downloaded onto your system. I am torn. :S


I am pondering the same thing...

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#7160 pitfallharry219

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:08 AM

:lol: I feel the same exact way. I may just buy it from the eShop and grab the case and manual off of ebay. Having it readily available on the system would be really nice, but I also like having the case on my shelf.

#7161 CAGkrazy

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:14 AM

:lol: I feel the same exact way. I may just buy it from the eShop and grab the case and manual off of ebay. Having it readily available on the system would be really nice, but I also like having the case on my shelf.


This is my plan too. Hehe! Wondering how the streetpass will work on the game. I hve mario 3d land as a download and i really like getting something new each time i get a tag when im out.

#7162 Javery

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:33 AM

I've never played any of the other MvDK games. Is this one just as good or does it feel like a budget title?


It doesn't really feel like a budget title - the production values are pretty good for a $10 game. You should check out the other games in the series - the DS games are fantastic puzzle games. Even Donkey Kong '94 for the Game Boy holds up pretty good.

I don't know about "just as good" yet - it is fun but I think "Mini-Land Mayhem" is just about perfect so there's no way it will live up to that.

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#7163 johnnypark

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 01:30 PM

Yeah, it's still accessible. I wanna say that when I transferred from my zelda 3ds to the XL with MK7 that I had to re-download MK7 after the system transfer but I was definitely able to keep it.


Yes, it does get erased but it is in your download history along with all the other software you may have from the eShop. Overall it was a very simple process when I get it with Mario Kart.

#7164 moothemagiccow

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 03:10 PM

This is my plan too. Hehe! Wondering how the streetpass will work on the game. I hve mario 3d land as a download and i really like getting something new each time i get a tag when im out.




I get streetpass stuff for this game and mk7 when the cartridge isnt in
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#7165 moothemagiccow

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:32 AM

I started playing Liberation maiden, seems pretty cool. Kind of like Sin and Punishment, but 3d movement and less intense
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#7166 DNukem170

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:48 AM

Yea, Maiden is pretty fun. I suck with the laser, though.

#7167 CAGkrazy

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:25 AM

I get streetpass stuff for this game and mk7 when the cartridge isnt in


Really? Hmmm i thought you only get the streetpass stuff only if you have the cartidge in or if its a download game in your menu. Cool. Thanks for the info

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:52 AM

Yeah, I've gotten street passes for MK7, Mario 3D, and NSMB2 without the cartridge in. IDK if you need the cartridge in for my other games or if there's just nobody I've encountered that played them (DOA, Theatrhythm, etc). The manual for Rayman Origins states the cart needs to be in though...
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#7169 DNukem170

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

Most games have a "Streetpass Data" thing that downloads directly to your 3DS if you enable it. You can.view it under System Settings > Data Management.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 01:56 PM

Can someone point me to an explanation of exactly what Streetpass is and why I should care... Are they just like trophies?