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#61 Davestation

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 02:49 AM

I'll put in simpler terms so that you can understand it better. People buy 3 games in Nov/Dec for every 1 they buy in Apr/May. After Call of Duty they still have two more games they will buy in Nov/Dec. If they buy Red Dead in Apr/May they aren't buying any other games. As a result it is much riskier to launch a game outside of the holiday season.


That's flawed logic. Gamers and casual gamers do not have a I am only going to buy 3 games between November-December and one through April and May attitude. Lets take the NPD Numbers for November 2009. Using the top ten selling. The total units sold for the top ten is 10.87 million units. Call of Duty takes the number 1 (360 sale) and the number two (PS3 sales) at selling a total of 6.1 million units or 56% of the total of top ten sales. The next selling highest one is Assasins Creed II selling a total of 1.24 million units or just 11%. So if only two titles make up 67% in the top ten, you are telling me that people are buying different games and that people are not just buying the triple A titles that have been anticipated all year?

Now back to Brutal Legend. EA should have realized that Tim Schaffer and his studio is a critically acclaimed studio and is not that great of a seller. So by EA releasing Brutal Legend in the fall, it was over-shadowed by Uncharted, Call of Duty, and Assasins Creed. If they released it in January or February all the hype would have died down from the Triple A titles giving it a better platform to stand out. Thats all I am saying. Its cool to see that Borderlands and Dragon Age did well.

Also, you have to ask yourself why Nintendo and Sony are releasing there triple A titles in the spring/fall. They have less competition during that time. If God of War III was released in the fall instead of March, I bet you Call of Duty would have hurt its sales and on top of that Uncharted would have been competing against it as well. I just think that Publishers are starting to realize that they can spread games out through out the year and still get great sales.

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#62 Blackout

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 06:38 AM

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#63 jkanownik

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 02:10 PM

That's flawed logic. Gamers and casual gamers do not have a I am only going to buy 3 games between November-December and one through April and May attitude. Lets take the NPD Numbers for November 2009. Using the top ten selling. The total units sold for the top ten is 10.87 million units. Call of Duty takes the number 1 (360 sale) and the number two (PS3 sales) at selling a total of 6.1 million units or 56% of the total of top ten sales. The next selling highest one is Assasins Creed II selling a total of 1.24 million units or just 11%. So if only two titles make up 67% in the top ten, you are telling me that people are buying different games and that people are not just buying the triple A titles that have been anticipated all year?

Now back to Brutal Legend. EA should have realized that Tim Schaffer and his studio is a critically acclaimed studio and is not that great of a seller. So by EA releasing Brutal Legend in the fall, it was over-shadowed by Uncharted, Call of Duty, and Assasins Creed. If they released it in January or February all the hype would have died down from the Triple A titles giving it a better platform to stand out. Thats all I am saying. Its cool to see that Borderlands and Dragon Age did well.

Also, you have to ask yourself why Nintendo and Sony are releasing there triple A titles in the spring/fall. They have less competition during that time. If God of War III was released in the fall instead of March, I bet you Call of Duty would have hurt its sales and on top of that Uncharted would have been competing against it as well. I just think that Publishers are starting to realize that they can spread games out through out the year and still get great sales.


Again you're using numbers that are irrelevant (% of top ten), assuming that Brutal Legend ever would have sold well and making assumptions about how games would have sold in a different window. Bayonetta was highly rated and didn't even sell 171K units on a single platform in January. Same with MAG. Look at what happened in May. RDR, SMG2 and UFC pushed all other new releases to <146K units.

I'm not doubting that a game has a better chance of grabbing your personal attention outside of the holiday. You've already clearly stated that. And I'm not refuting that games can be successful outside of the holiday window. I have four basic points:

1) There is no release window where Brutal Legend would have sold well
2) There is significantly less overall volume outside of the holiday, so there are less sales to go around. The difference between the two is extremely large.
3) There are recent examples of new IP selling well in the holiday season. Add Demon's Souls to that list.
4) There are recent examples of new IP not selling well outside of the holiday season.
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#64 Davestation

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Posted 22 October 2010 - 09:44 PM

Again you're using numbers that are irrelevant (% of top ten), assuming that Brutal Legend ever would have sold well and making assumptions about how games would have sold in a different window. Bayonetta was highly rated and didn't even sell 171K units on a single platform in January. Same with MAG. Look at what happened in May. RDR, SMG2 and UFC pushed all other new releases to <146K units.

I'm not doubting that a game has a better chance of grabbing your personal attention outside of the holiday. You've already clearly stated that. And I'm not refuting that games can be successful outside of the holiday window. I have four basic points:

1) There is no release window where Brutal Legend would have sold well
2) There is significantly less overall volume outside of the holiday, so there are less sales to go around. The difference between the two is extremely large.
3) There are recent examples of new IP selling well in the holiday season. Add Demon's Souls to that list.
4) There are recent examples of new IP not selling well outside of the holiday season.


1) I agree with this, I just think that it could have sold better. I am not trying to say that it should have sold more, I am just saying that it could have sold better. I think the game is total shit and it just came to me when I wrote the original post.

2) There is still a market outside the Holiday season. This is where we saw Mass Effect 2, Red Dead, Final Fantasy, Metroid, and Mario land this year.

3) I think we both agree with this.....

4) That is always the case with games. I am not arguing that point.

I am just saying that there is other windows for Publishers to release games on instead of the Fall. Using the top ten NPD numbers will tell you how games are doing against each other that where just released. If you know that Call of Duty is releasing do you really want to put up your brand new IP against a well established IP?
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Posted 23 October 2010 - 02:29 PM

Decided to get off my fat ass and take a walk each night after my wife and son have gone to sleep and whenever it's not raining.
Went ahead and downloaded this CAGcast to kill time during the walk. My first podcast ever and, I have to say, it was more entertaining than I had imagined.

Thanks Cheapy for the terrible Lou Ferrigno impression. That and a few other high points had a very nice end result. For future reference, a foreigner walking around in the middle of the night on dimly lit sidewalks who suddenly starts laughing out loud really freaks out Japanese people.

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Posted 23 October 2010 - 10:50 PM

Shipwreck why would you buy everything on PSN just because it's free? It's a waste of time and hard drive space...

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:43 PM

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Posted 29 October 2010 - 04:14 AM

Regardless of that first 10 mins not being anything near the topic of video games. I whole-heartedly approved of it because it made me laugh out loud while walking in public.
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