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The Texas budget is in big trouble. Any thoughts from conservatives?


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#181 UncleBob

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

Post #46 - the dude who started the thread was the first to bring Illinois into the discussion.
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#182 IRHari

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:41 PM

Post #46 - the dude who started the thread was the first to bring Illinois into the discussion.


He ignored the Illinois part of the story he was quoting, you jumped all over it.
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#183 UncleBob

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:47 PM

I'm really stoked that Illinois chose the tax increase only (basically) route. [...] but I'm still really interested to see how each comes out.


Again, direct from the OP.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

So wait the whole thread was about Texas previously in trouble for the sole purpose of getting a dig at Conservatives. And now he can't bring up the fact that Obama's home state is going bankrupt?

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#185 IRHari

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 11:57 PM

You said post #46.

Well, he was the one who revived the thread based on TX being awesome or something, then he posted something else showing the TX budget was smoke and mirrors, and also complained about stuff being OT.
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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

Still noteworthy they have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Number 1 in business and getting more investors than anyone.


And their still not broke like Illinois.

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#187 UncleBob

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 12:24 AM

You said post #46.

The point being that the OP brought Illinois into the topic and later said he was interested in following up on the results of Illinois' budget decisions.

Well, he was the one who revived the thread based on TX being awesome or something,

Pretty sure I revived the thread based on Speedracer's desire to compare the three states down the road.

then he posted something else showing the TX budget was smoke and mirrors,

...and yet, it's still leaps and bounds beyond Illinois' budget issues.

If you had read the linked article, you would have known that.

and also complained about stuff being OT.

Not at all. I posted asking who it was that always pulls threads off topic. Not complaining, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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#188 UncleBob

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 04:20 AM

Thanks for bringing up Texas again though...

http://www.gosanange...h-budget-to-of/

Leaders of Texas universities told lawmakers Friday they are happy with the proposed budget for the next two years — but not as happy as they could be.

General academic institutions overall, including all postsecondary schools, are set to receive a 1.5 percent increase in general revenue funding from the current budget.

"It's a step in the right direction," said Texas Tech University System Chancellor Kent Hance.


With so many states cutting Higher Education budgets - simply because they don't have the money to spend - seeing a state increase the budget seems like a good thing, no?
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#189 UncleBob

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:30 AM

Back home in Illinois (and close to home):
http://tristatehomep...s?nxd_id=581602

Lee says the State of Illinois owes his district $500,000 in funding. Couple that with pending budget cuts, closing the Crossville Attendance Center outside of Carmi is the likely option.


Schools closing due to budget cuts.

Maybe the state just needs to raise taxes more.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:46 AM

I open up my browser this morning to find that after slashing social services and education, among other things practically to the bone, the Texas budget now has a surplus. Governor Perry and State Republicans want to use that surplus as a tax refund instead of restoring some of the $5.4 billion cut. So... the next time a "budget crisis" happens again, they're to expect another round of cuts for the already underfunded programs.
https://www.nytimes....-shortfall.html

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

Its is a known fact backed by studies that show that the most uneducated tend to be the most conservative and vote republicans..

A nation of idiots voting against themselves: A Republican/Tea Party/Right-Wing Dream come true.

We may spend too much on education, but spending close to nothing is no policy either.

Why do republicans and right-winger thump the bible and god, while they have no problem cutting off all services to the weakest and poorest and most defenseless of the population? God must be so proud, who knew God chose sides...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

Its is a known fact backed by studies that show that the most uneducated tend to be the most conservative and vote republicans..

A nation of idiots voting against themselves: A Republican/Tea Party/Right-Wing Dream come true.

We may spend too much on education, but spending close to nothing is no policy either.

Why do republicans and right-winger thump the bible and god, while they have no problem cutting off all services to the weakest and poorest and most defenseless of the population? God must be so proud, who knew God chose sides...


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Its is a known fact backed by studies that show that the most uneducated tend to be the most conservative and vote republicans..

A nation of idiots voting against themselves: A Republican/Tea Party/Right-Wing Dream come true.

We may spend too much on education, but spending close to nothing is no policy either.

Why do republicans and right-winger thump the bible and god, while they have no problem cutting off all services to the weakest and poorest and most defenseless of the population? God must be so proud, who knew God chose sides...



This is, for the most part, false. Statistically speaking, the number of self-identified Democrats and Republicans with 4-year college degrees is closer to equal than ever before, with Republicans probably maintaining a lead.

Also, the Republican party, has historically had significantly higher numbers of people with 4-year college degrees, while the Democratic Party maintains the highest number of high-school dropouts.

So education alone does not make you a Democrat or Republican.

Here's a source. Hard to find the information since it's usually tucked away in poll sites and books, but Google Books has this one up, at least.

http://books.google....epage&q&f=false

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

Going to the following colleges DO NOT count as comparison :)
Regent University, Liberty University, Kings College, George Mason, Hillsdale.... etc etc etc.
Of course you can use colleges like that to skew your results. Just cause you say you go to "a college" we all know that irrelevant since these day anything can pass for "a college"

Wait wasn't Santorum calling schools a place of "indoctrination" and didn't Texas try to rewrite history by forcing textbook manufactures to dispute and question certain HISTORICAL facts...

When you study BULLSH*T, you are NOT EDUCATED.

So I stand by my statement. Stupid people, educated with false stories and facts, calling themselves educated is a JOKE.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

Going to the following colleges DO NOT count as comparison :)
Regent University, Liberty University, Kings College, George Mason, Hillsdale.... etc etc etc.
Of course you can use colleges like that to skew your results. Just cause you say you go to "a college" we all know that irrelevant since these day anything can pass for "a college"

Wait wasn't Santorum calling schools a place of "indoctrination" and didn't Texas try to rewrite history by forcing textbook manufactures to dispute and question certain HISTORICAL facts...

When you study BULLSH*T, you are NOT EDUCATED.

So I stand by my statement. Stupid people, educated with false stories and facts, calling themselves educated is a JOKE.


There's a joke to be made here about your atrocious grammar, anti-Republican stance, and education.

Anyway, if you're not going to back your statements up with facts, there's nothing more to gain from listening to you. You don't even appear to understand the reasons for these discrepancies.

And being religious does not mean being uneducated; instead, it means that when science and religion clash, religion is often unsurprisingly favored over science.

Religion doesn't extend to all areas of education, only a few.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:13 PM

There's a joke to be made here about your atrocious grammar, anti-Republican stance, and education.

Anyway, if you're not going to back your statements up with facts, there's nothing more to gain from listening to you. You don't even appear to understand the reasons for these discrepancies.

And being religious does not mean being uneducated; instead, it means that when science and religion clash, religion is often unsurprisingly favored over science.

Religion doesn't extend to all areas of education, only a few.


So you going to take your gun and shoot me now cause you're the grammar police..

Wait if you going to attack my grammar, feel free to correct my statement.. No matter how you going to "fix" my statement, its ain't going to change the FACT and MESSAGE..

we all know how the republicans/right-wing love to "fix" facts ...:roll:

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:31 PM

Just proves that one can get an education and still have shit critical thinking skills.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:06 PM

So you going to take your gun and shoot me now cause you're the grammar police..

Wait if you going to attack my grammar, feel free to correct my statement.. No matter how you going to "fix" my statement, its ain't going to change the FACT and MESSAGE..

we all know how the republicans/right-wing love to "fix" facts ...:roll:


You still have not backed up any of your claims. Did they not teach you in school that you have to cite your sources?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

Read example
http://www.politifac...ing-tendencies/

And anyone can go to college these days, you be surprise at the crap that can pass for college and actually allowed to be called colleges.

A education mean a place where knowledge is unbiased and not "up for interpretation"

The REDdest of all the states, a majority of them have the worst rating education-wise and those states also happens to have a larger WHITE population compared to minorities

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Read example
http://www.politifac...ing-tendencies/

And anyone can go to college these days, you be surprise at the crap that can pass for college and actually allowed to be called colleges.

A education mean a place where knowledge is unbiased and not "up for interpretation"

The REDdest of all the states, a majority of them have the worst rating education-wise and those states also happens to have a larger WHITE population compared to minorities


In one of the sources from your example:

http://www.people-pr...arties-in-2012/

You can clearly see that college graduates among white voters are nearly tied, with a slight advantage to the Republican party in 2012, and a slight disadvantage to the Republican party in 2008.
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Here's another link that suggests an increase in Republican voters based on income — higher income means more likely to vote Republican.

http://themonkeycage...-to-the-elites/
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In 2000, the Republican party has a clear advantage in white voters with a college degree, the numbers start to change after Bush's first term, in which lower income graduates tend to vote Democrat, but the Republican party still holds the majority on mid and high income graduates.

As you get to the highest levels of education, people with at least a graduate degree, you begin to see a shift away from the Republican party.

Also, many classes do not involve politics at all, so why do you keep acting like all knowledge has political leanings. You can get a college degree with little or no political influence, e.g. programmer.

Note: I'm not forgetting about the impact minorities would have on these numbers, but they tend to vote Democrat either way for many specific reasons that wouldn't directly apply to the average white voter.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:02 PM

Also, many classes do not involve politics at all, so why do you keep acting like all knowledge has political leanings. You can get a college degree with little or no political influence, e.g. programmer.



Maybe you should take some classes at Regent University ... Pat Robertson stomping grounds.. I heard the BS degrees at that college is really BSssssss :applause:

http://www.boston.co...hool/?page=full

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

You forgot to mention that teabaggers, as a group, tend to have more college degrees and higher income than average. Not saying that it means they're smarter or more knowledgeable of course, but just that they have degrees.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:05 PM

your charts and all on college grad is nonsense unless it shows which colleges were part of the focus groups.
If they consider schools like Regent as a "real college" we have skewed numbers.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

You forgot to mention that teabaggers, as a group, tend to have more college degrees and higher income than average. Not saying that it means they're smarter or more knowledgeable of course, but just that they have degrees.



I didn't notice that or get that specific, but the word educated has a pretty clear meaning. Having an education does not inherently mean socially liberal or fiscally liberal. I'm just trying to make that clear; there are a lot of Republicans who are not religious and are not stupid in general. I'm quite aware of our country's state of education — which, in fact, is improving in the public school sector, and is considered exceptional in the areas of higher education. The problems with higher education are primarily cost, not quality, from what I've read.

Here's a quick read:

http://www.theatlant...-system/267278/

I'm most concerned about History still being a pariah among American educations. The whitewashing is still a major problem in my opinion, yet it continues to receive very little attention.

Maybe you should take some classes at Regent University ... Pat Robertson stomping grounds.. I heard the BS degrees at that college is really BSssssss :applause:

http://www.boston.co...hool/?page=full



It's somewhat amusing that you're so hung up on these religious colleges. Why don't you channel your hostility into providing some statistics of how many people graduate from these colleges whose names you've memorized in total versus all colleges in total.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

I didn't notice that or get that specific, but the word educated has a pretty clear meaning. Having an education does not inherently mean socially liberal or fiscally liberal. I'm just trying to make that clear; there are a lot of Republicans who are not religious and are not stupid in general. I'm quite aware of our country's state of education — which, in fact, is improving in the public school sector, and is considered exceptional in the areas of higher education. The problems with higher education are primarily cost, not quality, from what I've read.

Here's a quick read:

http://www.theatlant...-system/267278/

I agree that access is a problem and to me, the reasons are pretty clear. The article decided to focus on economic status, which isn't a poor metric and better than lumping public schools systems together, but things like race and urban/suburban(there are poor-ish suburbs out there)/rural environment shed greater light on the "why" that it's asking.

I'm most concerned about History still being a pariah among American educations. The whitewashing is still a major problem in my opinion, yet it continues to receive very little attention.

It's hard to build a narrative around grave-digging religious isolationists or freedom loving rich white men that brutally enslaved thousands of people in order to perpetuate a system based on exploitation(in the Marxist sense of the word)...and the Narrative is oh so important.

It's somewhat amusing that you're so hung up on these religious colleges. Why don't you channel your hostility into providing some statistics of how many people graduate from these colleges whose names you've memorized in total versus all colleges in total.

Well, let's be honest here, those institutions of "higher" learning are meant to be alternatives to "liberal" institutions. It's not like they're HBCU's.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 08:25 PM

It's somewhat amusing that you're so hung up on these religious colleges. Why don't you channel your hostility into providing some statistics of how many people graduate from these colleges whose names you've memorized in total versus all colleges in total.


I am just saying these days "college" has a real liberal meaning, cause any joe jerkoff can start a "college" and call it a school...

So if you going to say "college grad", I much rather you tell me which college you went to, instead of saying you are a college grad.

And its not a religious college, its a right wing college, where all materials are biased. And its evident because their law school is worthless degree wise. Since it is a school for right-wing indoctrination, and not un-bias as other colleges..

Right-wingers have no problem calling anything or anyone who don't jive with their thought process as liberals... They probably even would call a dog liberal, if a dog isn't friendly around them...

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:33 PM

I am just saying these days "college" has a real liberal meaning, cause any joe jerkoff can start a "college" and call it a school...

So if you going to say "college grad", I much rather you tell me which college you went to, instead of saying you are a college grad.

And its not a religious college, its a right wing college, where all materials are biased. And its evident because their law school is worthless degree wise. Since it is a school for right-wing indoctrination, and not un-bias as other colleges..

Right-wingers have no problem calling anything or anyone who don't jive with their thought process as liberals... They probably even would call a dog liberal, if a dog isn't friendly around them...


You just live in your own little bubble it seems. Which colleges are you referring to and can you give us come concrete numbers for these schools?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

I agree that access is a problem and to me, the reasons are pretty clear. The article decided to focus on economic status, which isn't a poor metric and better than lumping public schools systems together, but things like race and urban/suburban(there are poor-ish suburbs out there)/rural environment shed greater light on the "why" that it's asking.


True, true. But at least it's something.

It's hard to build a narrative around grave-digging religious isolationists or freedom loving rich white men that brutally enslaved thousands of people in order to perpetuate a system based on exploitation(in the Marxist sense of the word)...and the Narrative is oh so important.

I know, it's just a shame. I don't expect it to change, though I'd love if it did for mostly obvious reasons.

Well, let's be honest here, those institutions of "higher" learning are meant to be alternatives to "liberal" institutions. It's not like they're HBCU's.

Again, I'm not disputing that, but I'm questioning how pervasive degrees from these places are in the percentage of 4 year degrees of Republicans and Democrats.

For a simple example, just because WBC is extremely outspoken and gets a lot of attention doesn't mean that a large percentage of people agree with them or make use of their establishment. I'd imagine that Republicans at Community Colleges and non-religious universities far outnumber them, if only because job resumes and applications are taken more seriously when from a noted university than from a religious college of low repute.

There are a lot of degrees and jobs out there with requirements that aren't politically or religiously informed.

Another point I forgot to make that Finger is overlooking is the degree numbers would include older people as well. And the Republican party only started moving to these extremes and pushing people away in the past 15 years or so. You can see a shift because there's a light generational shift in opinions and beliefs. The Democratic Party is adapting whereas the Republican party is not, and is thus seeing fewer youth voters.

#209 UncleBob

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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:50 PM

This could be an interesting topic to revisit in another two years. Someone set a calendar.


So, it's not quite been two years, but...

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In other news, Illinois residents are leaving the state in droves...
http://quincyjournal...ery-10-minutes/

And jobs in Illinois?
http://www.morrisdai...linois/ac688sf/

Ha. Oh, and there's even a line in this article about Texas...

Texas led all states with 48,400 new private-sector jobs, according to the federal labor statistics.


And the, there's the "temporary" income tax hike from back in 2011. Illinois State Income Tax went from 3.5% to 5% and is set to expire this year. However, the state is crying that this "temporary" tax rolling back is going to cause a huge deficit and that we need to keep it...

So, that's how things are going in the great state of Illinois.
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Posted 10 August 2014 - 01:40 AM

So high taxes kill job growth?