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#1 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:38 AM

I've been a big supporter of the collection feature by submitting new games, adding info when needed, and reporting duplicates and such that need to be deleted since it launched. But recently, I've noticed that none of the duplicates that I've reported have been deleted (like the many games with "[import]" in their title that were copied from GamesRadar's database) nor have changes to the wiki been approved, which I saw one particular wiki submission that had been waiting for approval since December. It seems like whoever is generally in charge of keeping track of this stuff has dropped the ball big time and I would like to ask for some transparency on the situation to see why this has happened and what will be done to fix this issue.

While I'm here, I've got a list of suggestions for changes to the database that I think would improve the overall experience:

-Allow for multiplatform submissions without needing to resubmit the game for each platform.
-Allow for multiplatform titles that can be played on multiple systems (PlayStation Minis that can be played on both PSP and PS3) that aren't separate games.
-Add a field for a link to the official thread to make it easier to find the main thread to talk about the game with others. Maybe allow for additional links to clan/league threads.
-Make the extra info that doesn't appear on a game's profile appear on the profile or get rid of it from the wiki page.
-Remove all Wii versions of Virtual Console games and PS3/PSP versions of PS1 Classic games since they're just rips of the original cartridge or disc and have not been upgraded for the Wii, PS3, and PSP.
-When submitting a new game, it deletes the release dates from the wiki if you put that in there, so that needs to be fixed.
-Add a link to submit new box art since the original box art may be out of date, wrong, or low quality.
-Allow for a list of Now Playing games and Beaten games so that you can better manage the list and for the former to be a more persistent list that includes games you may or may not still own.

I think that's everything, so I look forward to some official response to the request for transparency along with some feedback on the ideas that I've presented. Thanks.

Edited by FriskyTanuki, 05 April 2011 - 08:17 PM.


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#2 Rig

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 05:42 AM

I've tried to stay somewhat active with editing pages and adding some games myself. I definitely agree that support seems to be lacking on the other end.

I don't really have anything to add in the way of features, though Frisky's list looks like it would be a great addition.

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 06:13 AM

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I like most of the OP's suggestions except for removing the Wii versions of VC games.. and a link to submit new box art (cheapassgamer.com/forums/games.php?do=uploadboxart&gameid=GAMEIDNUMBERHERE). I'm not sure if it currently happens, but I would like a notification if a game I have in my collection is deleted from the db for whatever reason so I can make the necessary adjustments.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 08:59 AM

Yeah, don't remove the VC and PSOne Classics from the listings. Some of us own both, and as such, it should be represented in the database.
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Posted 18 February 2011 - 04:12 PM

I like the ideas. There used to be a button on the game pages to change/update the box-art on games but that was removed a while back for whatever reason after it has box art selected. Instead of full-out getting rid of Virtual Console and PS1 Classics, maybe allow that to be an option to select when adding the game to your collection.

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#6 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 09:46 PM

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I like most of the OP's suggestions except for removing the Wii versions of VC games.. and a link to submit new box art (cheapassgamer.com/forums/games.php?do=uploadboxart&gameid=GAMEIDNUMBERHERE). I'm not sure if it currently happens, but I would like a notification if a game I have in my collection is deleted from the db for whatever reason so I can make the necessary adjustments.

Wow. This is even worse than I thought it was. Over eight months of negligence is crazy for a huge feature on CAG to go unchecked.

Having to find another game without boxart to get the link and paste the original game's id number is a terrible way to do that. There was a button at first but was removed without explanation.

I like the ideas. There used to be a button on the game pages to change/update the box-art on games but that was removed a while back for whatever reason after it has box art selected. Instead of full-out getting rid of Virtual Console and PS1 Classics, maybe allow that to be an option to select when adding the game to your collection.

Yeah, the option was there but was removed at some point for no reason.

Yeah, don't remove the VC and PSOne Classics from the listings. Some of us own both, and as such, it should be represented in the database.

I can see the point, but they're just digital versions of the original games and don't need to be listed as a PS3/PSP or Wii game. There could be a way to add an option to designate these games as the Virtual Console/PS1 Classic version under the options menu like region, condition, etc. that would be a more elegant solution. Then you could just add the game to your collection twice as the PS1 version and designate one as the PS1 Classic version.


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#7 shipwreck

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 10:07 PM

Hi, I'm Negligence, nice to see everyone!

As far as I know, it's just John, Cheapy, and me that moderate the database. We probably need to get someone on there that can spare more time. I'll admit that I haven't had the time to keep up with everything.
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#8 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 18 February 2011 - 11:26 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Cheapy and John assumed that you had things under control so that the moment you fell behind, you were fucked in trying to catch up with submissions. Since the trading marketplace depends on the database being in good shape, falling behind affects more than just those of us that want to keep our collections up-to-date.

Community mods just for the database would be a good idea if a good set of guidelines for what's good or not can be set since they're just unwritten rules that each person has right now. Getting John back on board to revamp the things that need to be fixed would also be great.

Thanks for at least explaining the situation.


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#9 JP

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 02:42 AM

Hi, I'm Negligence, nice to see everyone!

As far as I know, it's just John, Cheapy, and me that moderate the database. We probably need to get someone on there that can spare more time. I'll admit that I haven't had the time to keep up with everything.

Community mods just for the database would be a good idea if a good set of guidelines for what's good or not can be set since they're just unwritten rules that each person has right now. Getting John back on board to revamp the things that need to be fixed would also be great.


I think that's a good idea. Get a group to chip in and take care of it.

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#10 Spanky

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Posted 19 February 2011 - 05:21 AM

I'd be willing to help out with this. Been browsing the game collection recently and wanted to fill in price holes but realized I couldn't. I definitely say we get a game moderation group going.
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#11 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 20 February 2011 - 08:06 PM

No official reponses from CheapyD or John yet? Shipwreck, can you poke them to at least make a post here so that we know that they acknowledge the issues that have been mentioned here? If they need some motivation, tell them that this affects the marketplace as well and sorting this stuff out quickly would be beneficial for everyone.


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#12 CheapyD

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 08:21 AM

Thanks for the criticisms and suggestions.

John and I have discussed in the past some of these problems, and I know we talked about automating more when it makes sense (like adding new releases to the db).

I think we also need to decide what type of information we really want to be user submitted. Is having publisher, developer, genre info important to what goes on here? Should we focus on more shopping related information?

But yes, I agree we need to have some kind of community moderation system in some form. I think I discussed this already with John and seem to remember there was a technical holdup. We'll get somekind of improvement in place.

Edited by CheapyD, 21 February 2011 - 08:32 AM.


#13 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 08:45 AM

The extra info is worth it if it's displayed on the page but most of the info (players, release date, number of media, publisher/developer) isn't. Publisher, developer, and release date are important for me, but you'd have to show that on the game's page, possibly under Game Information on the side. There's no need for Date Added since nobody would really care when the game was submitted and the ID number can identify the first submission in case of duplicates.


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#14 ShockandAww

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:33 PM

Here's a couple suggestions/ideas:

Open the edits to everyone with a year or more at CAG to ensure it stays updated (if necessary ban if anyone messes with the database)
Or if you want people to moderate, make sure it's a good amount. I would help, it sounds like frisky would, and I'm sure there's plenty of others that would help.

Get rid of the 'average cag valuation'

get rid of 'number of media'

when searching, ensure the games take precedence in the search results. For example I search Uncharted 2 and the game is 8th on the list behind 2 blog posts and some other games which are not Uncharted 2

As frisky said, let us change the current picture of a game. It annoys me when I'm trying to make a list and the box art is either not there at all, or some old pic

Have a 'best deal' area where people can add in the best current deal on a game

Another thing that should pop up along with the game info is the UPC

Add a tab for 'CAG Marketplace' and get rid of the 'other' tab unless there is some other use for it besides goozex

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#15 JP

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:00 PM

I definitely think a moderation team would be needed instead of open edits for over a certain membership length. The TIV database has had to deal with people trying to get their lulz out of putting bad data in. Granted it is more the newer people but there are users that have been around for a couple years that end up just trying to put Halo 3 in with $3,000 TIV at GameStop. I see the problem being worse on the games database mainly because there are so many things to edit.

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#16 Spanky

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Posted 22 February 2011 - 06:48 AM

The extra info is worth it if it's displayed on the page but most of the info (players, release date, number of media, publisher/developer) isn't. Publisher, developer, and release date are important for me, but you'd have to show that on the game's page, possibly under Game Information on the side. There's no need for Date Added since nobody would really care when the game was submitted and the ID number can identify the first submission in case of duplicates.


I agree. All the info is valuable to some of us. I enjoy researching and looking back on older games and sometimes it helps to know who it's made by. I spend most of my time on this community nowadays so I get a lot of my info from here.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 04:42 AM

glad to see that you guys are working on updating that, there are a few psone classics for ps3/psp that I own and I cant add because they aren't in the database and it was annoying.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 10:23 PM

For the past month or so I've been actively updating the Marketplace whenever I run across a game that needs it. However, like the OP, I've noticed many of my changes have yet to take effect. This has diminished my enthusiasm, but I do still have high hopes for the Marketplace's future.

To add to the 'what info is important' discussion: Publisher, Developer and Release Date are very important when identifying a particular variation of a game. But the selections for Publisher and Developer is a hot mess. The ability to manually add a Publisher / Developer needs to be removed, and the entire list needs to be verified by the proper authority.

Number of Players probably has little use to the masses.
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#19 Spanky

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:07 AM

I would particularly like the number of players feature being I do search sometimes for some old school games I can play with the younger ones in my family. Lets me teach them about the old school games and play with them:)
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 02:11 AM

I would particularly like the number of players feature being I do search sometimes for some old school games I can play with the younger ones in my family. Lets me teach them about the old school games and play with them:)


I have no problem following CAG rules, but heard that some got scam. That sucks for that person because the time, effort, and cost of shipping. I think I did alright with my first guide run, but regret that I left some good guides behind like Sly, God of War, etc.


@ Spanky- U got a trade list? I can't find it.

#21 Spanky

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 03:02 AM

I have no problem following CAG rules, but heard that some got scam. That sucks for that person because the time, effort, and cost of shipping. I think I did alright with my first guide run, but regret that I left some good guides behind like Sly, God of War, etc.


@ Spanky- U got a trade list? I can't find it.


Your replying in the wrong thread my friend. This thread is about the game database:D Off topic but you can find my trade list by clicking on that little CML icon by my avatar. Mods feel free to move this to the appropriate thread.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 03:15 AM

Can we get the consoles on there as well? Been looking for a DS Lite, but can't use the Marketplace and I have to search the forums

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 04:22 AM

Can we get the consoles on there as well? Been looking for a DS Lite, but can't use the Marketplace and I have to search the forums


Hardware and accessories were recently removed from the Marketplace, but I think there are plans to implement a proper Hardware category in the near future.


ps. I don't have a DS Lite, but I do have an original (fat) DS.
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Posted 28 February 2011 - 05:28 AM

Hardware and accessories were recently removed from the Marketplace, but I think there are plans to implement a proper Hardware category in the near future.


ps. I don't have a DS Lite, but I do have an original (fat) DS.


Your post was actually one of the ones I saw in the forum. My only offer would have to be hardcore lowball.

#25 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 07:56 AM

Bumping this up since I'm hoping for an update from Cheapy or John that any ideas/suggestions from this thread are in the works.


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#26 CheapyD

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 08:25 AM

John has another decent sized update to put up on the marketplace and then we will tackle this. Thanks for your patience!

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 06:03 PM

Thanks for the reply cheapy!
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#28 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 08:19 PM

Any updates, Cheapy?


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#29 KneeKnee

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 01:53 AM

I was just going to ask what the deal was with updates and came across this thread.

A few weeks ago I got a decent amount of N-Gage games and tried to add all the information I could to the date base but havent seen anything I submitted added. I don't mind submitting stuff as long as it eventually gets updated I'm just curious if its worth it. I still have a crap load of Intellivision things I can add.

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Posted 18 April 2011 - 02:22 AM

As someone who has added tens if not 100+ game cover arts to the database (and who checks regularly to see if they are updated), I would like to volunteer my services to moderate the queue.

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