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#61 Sgt Barone

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 03:21 PM

cant wait to listen!

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#62 katzd2007

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 04:51 PM

Did Shipwreck ever say how to enter the contest? If not I want to put my hat in the ring. I would think it would be under the contests tab in the near future.
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#63 Kaneco

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 05:15 PM

Good show!

Even though Cheapy's audio was on the low quality side, he came to this CAGcast with
such overwhelming energy. He really sounded pumped up for this week.

The latest few podcasts he either sounded bored and/or just plain tired.

He probably finally goes to the toilet before the show. xD

#64 jkanownik

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 05:28 PM

I'd love to see CheapyD make another change to what he's been against and get Move for Killzone 3 to go with his love for 3D and support for microtransactions in NHL 11.


I would advise against this. I thought maybe I wasn't giving the Move (or my PS3) a fair shake so I shelled out $150 ($50 for PSN Plus, $70 for Move Bundle and $30 for a navigation controller) to try to improve my Killzone 3 experience. I elected not to get the gun because of my experience with the Wii of preferring a normal Wii+Nunchuck over the Wii Zapper for Call of Duty.

The value of PSN Plus remains to be seen because I had to download two firmware updates before I could even enter the code. But I'm hopeful it will be a smooth experience the next time I boot it up for a PS3 game.

The Move was a total bust. I struggled through two full chapters and part of a third before I just couldn't take it anymore. I had to go back to the dualshock. Even though I hadn't touched my Dualshock since God of War 3 last year, I saw a significant improvement in my performance and a significant decline in frustration after making the switch.

Charging everything was also a pain in the ass. I still need to try out the Move for game designed specifically for the Move, but I will not be playing anymore shooters with it.
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#65 Kylearan

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 05:34 PM

Cheapy - gotta echo your lack of entusiasm for the 3DS. Have had some hands-on time at GDC and am totally underwhelmed. It's not particularly compelling, hardware design is exactly like the previous DS models (stylus + d-pad + analog stick above the d-pad + buttons = awkward to handle), and the 3D effect isn't very impressive. Am totally bummed.

Spent a fair amount of time with Steel Diver - what a junk-pile. It's neat that the game-view moves when you turn, but you'll never play this in car, on a train or bus, or even seated - not without getting pwn'd. 3D effect was minimal, gameplay reduced to zooming in on targets, shooting a left or right torpedo, and plugging leaks to your ship with the stylus, all while spinning around to find targets. Oy.

I'll look at it a little more, but I think I'll be paying more attention to the NGP from now on (which is here, but behind glass).

And guys, totally right on about Skyrim! Holy crap. Surprised Cheapy and Ship don't care for Dragon Age much, at least Wombat has got some taste. ;-)

#66 shieryda

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 06:37 PM

Cheapy, were you recording from your bathroom? The audio quality on your end was AWFUL for this CAGcast.

Also, I have not yet finished listening to the entire show, but what "happened" a couple weeks ago that sapped your energy recently? My prediction is that you got a vasectomy.

#67 DietCokeJunkey

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 07:08 PM

I'm surprised at how many people found the Dragon Age 2 demo to be difficult. I went into it expecting to get rocked by the second ogre, but ended up going through the entire demo without anyone dying (aside from the people who died in cutscenes). Maybe people aren't familiar with the concept of tank, healer, and dps.

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#68 banodyne

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 07:08 PM

Wait, wait, wait. When did they give out the double lightsabers for free? I'm pretty OCD following gaming news all day. I saw nothing about this.

#69 Wombat

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 07:10 PM

Wait, wait, wait. When did they give out the double lightsabers for free? I'm pretty OCD following gaming news all day. I saw nothing about this.


It was an error that was quickly fixed. I missed it too and Ship sucks for not calling me when it happened.

#70 Blackout

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 08:17 PM

What didn't we cover that was on the other systems? Cheapy talked about Killzone 3 (I'm sure I will too once I buy it since I was a big fan of Killzone 2), we talked briefly about PixelJunk Shooter (none of us enjoyed the first game that much), we mentioned that a new Bit.Trip game had come out for WiiWare (I'll also play this at some point), we talked about Dragon Quest VI on the DS, we talked about Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition on PSN, we talked about Pokemon on the DS, we talked about Battleheart on iOS, and we talked about multi-platform games like Bulletstorm, Brink, and Knight's Contract. Hell, I even mentioned a PC game was coming out because a CAG worked on it (RIFT). The only thing we didn't mention (but was on our outline) that I think is fairly cool, is Vagrant Story is now available on PSN.

This may be why you think we are ignoring criticisms. Read that paragraph and tell me again that we don't have "awareness of other platforms". Then re-read it in a mocking tone if you think I hate everything that's not related to Xbox 360.


Where did I say you hate everything that's not 360? I mean, c'mon. That's what I'm talking about, where you guys dismiss criticisms with sarcastic comments and jokes. When each show you have like half the thread talking about how you guys don't play other systems and wanting more discussion/gaming time of other platforms, then maybe you should reconsider the way you guys do the show. Or maybe everyone is crazy. Yeah, that's it. Everyone is crazy. And Sony fanboys.

Most of the time you never talk about playing Wii, PSP, or DS games. Why did you guys dedicate an entire show to why the PS3 needed "saving"? There was never a reason given. On that show you guys were completely ignorant on a number of things and had no idea what you were talking about. There was zero accuracy and awareness on that episode. When people requested you do the same thing for 360 on the next episode, you dedicated an entire two minutes tops. If that. Um, what? You didn't even do a breakdown for the Wii. Then on the next episode, you guys pretty much skipped over all of the 20 pages of negative feedback from the PS3 episode and responded to none of them. I can't even remember the last time you guys all played a multiplatform game on the PS3. When is the last time Cheapy turned on his Wii, PSP, or DS? Actually finished a PS3 game?

I cut Wombat some slack because he has a full time job, a kid, and a long commute everyday. Shipwreck, you play an ungodly amount of video games so I don't know what your excuse is. As for Cheapy, I'm assuming the guy sits around in his underwear most of the day, so he has no excuse either.

After listening to the episode, the same things pop up. You all almost completely dismiss the NPG, when it's not even out yet, and all the final details aren't even out, like it's real name or price.

Ship, you complained about a JRPG.....being a JRPG. Um, again, what?

The guy talking about how the NGP will fail is a completely moron. Yeah, the iPhone has 99 cent games, and thousands of apps and games. How many of those are apps and games are complete shit? 80%? 90%? I wish people would get off Apple's sack already.

Good show though.



#71 trip1eX

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 08:36 PM

Couldn't get past the first minute of the BulletStorm tutorial. Just too juvenile. Shoot guys in nuts. Hit them on their butt. blah blah blah. Creative ways to kill. Yawn.

You guys make want to check it out, but ....

Looking forward to Duke though. :)

#72 Energy Penguin

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 08:36 PM

Great show this week guys. It is hilarious that people think you have to play games on certain platforms. This is their show, which we get for free. They should play whatever games they want and talk about what ever they want on their show. I listen cause i like cheapy, wombat, and ship. I like to hear them talk. I don't need certain games or systems discussed. I don't understand why people need every game and every platform discussed equally. There are plenty of podcasts for that. If CAG were like GiantBomb and cheapy, wombat, and ship were in an office together all week playing games, making videos, recording casts, then more games and platforms would be covered. But ship and wombat work full time, and married and wombat has kids, and they have to game, and then they record the cast. they play what they want to play and talk about it, I don't see what the big deal is.

When Cheapy was talking about the ngp and how he would never play a handheld when he could play on a big screen I had a vision of an old gamer that just can't wrap his mind around the future. I include myself in this group. i feel the next generation gamer won't care about playing on a big screen. Cheapy and wombat's kids will be so used to gaming on portables, I don't think they'll miss the big screen. We'll all be old men, on the couch playing games on huge screens and our kids will be running out the door with the NGP 3, rolling their eyes at us. It will be like a record player to them.

#73 trip1eX

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 08:38 PM

They like the 360 and Apple. Get over it. You can't control 'em. I tried sending some radio waves their way to command them to like the Wii but they just started talking about jacking off and hand jobs more. I gave up. :)

#74 usickenme

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 09:07 PM

What didn't we cover that was on the other systems? Cheapy talked about Killzone 3 (I'm sure I will too once I buy it since I was a big fan of Killzone 2), we talked briefly about PixelJunk Shooter (none of us enjoyed the first game that much), we mentioned that a new Bit.Trip game had come out for WiiWare (I'll also play this at some point), we talked about Dragon Quest VI on the DS, we talked about Acceleration of SUGURI X-Edition on PSN, we talked about Pokemon on the DS, we talked about Battleheart on iOS, and we talked about multi-platform games like Bulletstorm, Brink, and Knight's Contract. Hell, I even mentioned a PC game was coming out because a CAG worked on it (RIFT). The only thing we didn't mention (but was on our outline) that I think is fairly cool, is Vagrant Story is now available on PSN.

This may be why you think we are ignoring criticisms. Read that paragraph and tell me again that we don't have "awareness of other platforms". Then re-read it in a mocking tone if you think I hate everything that's not related to Xbox 360.


You don't honestly believe the criticism is just related to one episode do you?

So the next time you all are wondering why you don't have 100k listeners, that is a good place to start.

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#75 skadave

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 10:27 PM

Great show this week guys. It is hilarious that people think you have to play games on certain platforms. This is their show, which we get for free. They should play whatever games they want and talk about what ever they want on their show. I listen cause i like cheapy, wombat, and ship. I like to hear them talk. I don't need certain games or systems discussed. I don't understand why people need every game and every platform discussed equally. There are plenty of podcasts for that. If CAG were like GiantBomb and cheapy, wombat, and ship were in an office together all week playing games, making videos, recording casts, then more games and platforms would be covered. But ship and wombat work full time, and married and wombat has kids, and they have to game, and then they record the cast. they play what they want to play and talk about it, I don't see what the big deal is.

When Cheapy was talking about the ngp and how he would never play a handheld when he could play on a big screen I had a vision of an old gamer that just can't wrap his mind around the future. I include myself in this group. i feel the next generation gamer won't care about playing on a big screen. Cheapy and wombat's kids will be so used to gaming on portables, I don't think they'll miss the big screen. We'll all be old men, on the couch playing games on huge screens and our kids will be running out the door with the NGP 3, rolling their eyes at us. It will be like a record player to them.



Very well said. My only disagreement is the generation bit about handhelds. I think the reason kids play handhelds is that their parents won't let them monopolize the tv. Once they get older and have their own televisions they won't be using their DS's or PSPS nearly as much.

Side note:
I enjoy the Bombcast quite a bit and i listen to it every week. Like you said, these guys do this for a living and have a different perspective. The reason i enjoy the CAGCAST is that i feel they are more in touch with the average gamer (Wombat and I have very similar backgrounds. . . i have a 3 year old daughter, a boy on the way, and i work in mid-town manhattan).

I think a lot of the criticism of the show is off base. If anything Wombat, Cheepy and Shipwreck are being honest. And isn't that what we want? If cheepy doesn't care for the DS, do you want him to pretend to like it? I don't. I feel that a lot of podcasts need to curb their opinions a bit in order to protect their relationships with developers. I don't get that impression with the cagcast.

#76 Thomas96

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 11:04 PM

The comments following the CAGCAST are sometimes more entertaining than the show itself.
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#77 Microshock

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:30 AM

I don't like the way they talk about PS3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like Skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, Oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to Mass Effect 2 though. At LEAST.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on PS3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)

God of War 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the PSN, it works FINE. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox Live is good but the complaints you guys had about PSN were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and I enjoy it but XBL Gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing XBL gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.
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#78 skadave

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:07 AM

i don't like the way they talk about ps3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to mass effect 2 though. At least.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on ps3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)



god of war 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the psn, it works fine. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox live is good but the complaints you guys had about psn were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and i enjoy it but xbl gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing xbl gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.


it's their opinion!!! Get over it!

#79 ShockandAww

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:12 AM

I don't like the way they talk about PS3 exclusives in such a dismissive way. The 360 games they play will get talked about for a good amount of time though.

For example, the hype wagon. You mentioned stuff like Skyrim and whatever in there and then you said, Oh and uncharted 3 but we didn't need to say that. That's a no brainer, as if no time needed to be spent talking about it all. Same thing happened for uncharted 2 back in 2009, you talked about it for literally..two minutes. Two minutes. You had a whole show dedicated to Mass Effect 2 though. At LEAST.
The consensus is that, if its on 360, you're much more willing to try it. But if its on PS3, you need to be pressured by the community just to get it and you'll talk about it for 30 seconds just to prove you played it (for about 30 seconds as well)

God of War 3, once again, very shallow discussion. Get over your hate on the PSN, it works FINE. You should be praising the fact that instead of paying 50 dollars to play online (which i hate doing on my 360), you get tons of free games and goodies. Xbox Live is good but the complaints you guys had about PSN were so so dumb. Not enough attention to new stuff? The what's new section, playstation blog, and various other places not good enough? Oh, i guess it has to be an ad on the dashboard for you guys to "pay attention" to it.

I'm a fairly new 360 owner and I enjoy it but XBL Gold has almost nothing worth the price it asks for. Friends lists are on both systems, in-game invites are on both systems now, the only thing XBL gold has is party chat and being able to push the xbox button to open a message upon receival.


Hmm not sure where people are getting the Xbox fanboy vibe from this show. I imagine he said Uncharted 3 is a no brainer as in everybody wants that and it goes without saying. I really dont remember though.

Also Cheapys most wanted list included The Last Guardian and the Ico/SotC Collection.

...And didnt they also talk about Infamous 2 and it's level editor? Cheapy said he was digging it.

#80 Microshock

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:30 AM

Hmm not sure where people are getting the Xbox fanboy vibe from this show. I imagine he said Uncharted 3 is a no brainer as in everybody wants that and it goes without saying. I really dont remember though.

Also Cheapys most wanted list included The Last Guardian and the Ico/SotC Collection.

...And didnt they also talk about Infamous 2 and it's level editor? Cheapy said he was digging it.


I don't hate on the CAGcast all the time. And there are times when they actually talk in depth about Sony's stuff for a change. But those times are usually very short or very uninformed (the whole PS3 needs to be saved thing).

The issue seems to be that when a big name PS3 exclusive comes out, either just one person plays it or none. Killzone 3 for example, CheapyD played it this week but Shipwreck doesn't have it and Wombat made some excuse not to get it. So when Shipwreck plays it the next week, there won't be a follow up discussion on it (i could be wrong).

But yet when Wombat finally finishes up Alan Wake, its time to have a discussion about it.
There's no real way to change this other than for you guys to change your attitude about the Playstation. Stop viewing it from the business side and checking out the NPD sales all the time. It's sold over 40 million units and any company would be happy to have those kind of sales.

NO, i'm not saying you hate the PS3. But you giving suggestions on what game franchises Sony should shut down is NOT helping it.

Still love the show though! I miss the funny stories you guys would have about your lives from the week though, it seems to be rare.
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#81 NateWhs152

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:26 AM

I am going to guess in order to win the PSN code I am supposed to post in the CAG cast forum

#82 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:38 AM

I forgot to mention this before, but do you guys think you can add the games you talk about in the spoilered list of topics in the OP? I missed what the names of the games Shipwreck and Wombat were when they were talking about them since they only mention the name at the very beginning and then never mention it again. I had to scour the thread afterwards to see that they were Brink and Knights Contract. You should also think about adding links to the stuff you talk about, like Raptr, that people could check out since you caused a lot of confusion to people that assumed it was Raptor.com and a simple link in the topics list would've solved the issue, at least for the smart listeners.

#83 banodyne

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 01:57 PM

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.

#84 Wombat

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 02:00 PM

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.


For those indy game makers there is no accountant that you have pay, unlike say EA. To account for 100 dollars in downloads, EA probably has to pay more in salaries. An indy game dev probably has no staff.

Edited by Wombat, 04 March 2011 - 02:11 PM.


#85 CaptainJoel

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:10 PM

Finally listened to this today, I enjoyed it. Great show guys :)

#86 mada

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:17 PM

There shure is a lot of whining in this thread.


Opinons are opinions nothing more. I have an opinion, you have an opinion. It's simple and its fair.

#87 RichMeisterMan

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:56 PM

Holy shit! Rock Band 3 sold fewer copies than Dance Central?! This really does sadden me. I have no complaints with Rock Band except for some slight aesthetic issues that only grind my gears because I really like playing dress up with my characters.

I play the game almost everyday if just to play a few songs. The drums are just a total blast today just like they were when Rock Band 1 came out.

#88 jkanownik

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:01 PM

Just thought of something blows Wombat's accounting theory of the XBL market out of the water. The indie market is packed with dollar games that sell in really low numbers. I'm pretty sure the accounting for XBL is all automated.


It's not the size of the slices of pie that matter, it's the size of the overall pie. You can cut it up into as many pieces as you want, but there has to be a pie big enough for someone to care about. The tiny music royalties happen because the publishers combine thousands of tiny payments into a single pie that is big enough for them to care about.
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#89 Z_meista

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:04 PM

Cheapy must have had an hour long poop session while recording the show.

The Dragon Age 2 demo was easy. It was certainly easier than Dragon Age Origins, as Wombat has mentioned. I didn't have much difficulty defeating the 2nd ogre.

Good show.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:22 PM

Awesome show guys!
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