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#211 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:01 AM

Butler is just sucking in the 2nd half. A lot of the first half struggles were great defense. But now they're just missing layups and and wide open 3s.

#212 dragonjud

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:10 AM

This has been one sloppy, ugly game. It's hard to believe Butler is ahead with how off they're playing.


CT is up now. I'm not much of a B-ball fan, but this has to be the ugliest championship game ever played. Missed layups, and just bricks all around.

Hope kids don't keep jumping to the NBA the first chance they get, as the college game is definitely suffering from a talent perspective.


#213 themaster20000

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:16 AM

This has to be the worst championship game I've seen.It's a horrible end to otherwise one of the best NCCA tournament's ever.

#214 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:19 AM

Just a terrible game to watch. Easily the worst title game I've watched. Only one that I can think of during my lifetime (1988 is the first one I remember watching, I was 10 then) is the 2002 one between Maryland and Indiana. But it wasn't this ugly.

But it is a team that was number 9 in the final AP poll (and only that high because of the big east tourney run) and an unranked team. Nice to have surprises, but would have probably got a much better game if the final was say Ohio State and Kansas.

Oh well, would have loved to see the little guy win after being so close last year. But at least it's a Big East team winning to silence some of the criticism of the league having such a bad overall tourney.

#215 Confucius

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:29 AM

The only people who enjoyed that game were uconn fans. That game was terrible.

#216 MillerTime2523

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:29 AM

That was the shittiest game I've ever seen lol

#217 keithp

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:31 AM

Congrats to UConn and their fans. And on the other side--Butler shooting 18%, geesh. Remember this one, you won't see that again!

#218 Amblix

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:55 AM

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Horrible game, terrific outcome!

#219 bvharris

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:07 AM

But it is a team that was number 9 in the final AP poll (and only that high because of the big east tourney run) and an unranked team.


Make no mistake, there wasn't a single team in the country playing better in March than UConn. That seems self-evident since they won it all, but the way they were playing I honestly believe they would have beat any team in the country. Yes, I'm a UConn fan, so perhaps I'm a bit biased. It's pretty clear they were exhausted by this point, but they really turned it on in the second half.

The only people who enjoyed that game were uconn fans. That game was terrible.


We did indeed. Also people who prefer defense (are there any?) Granted neither team was even hitting open shots most of the night, so that helped a lot, but UConn's defense was historically good tonight. Almost set a championship game record for blocks and allowed 2 (TWO!) points in the paint. That's ridiculous. The shooting percentage speaks for itself. They contested pretty much everything and were on Butler like white on rice all night. It certainly isn't going to go on anyone's offensive highlight reel, but it was a defensive clinic (I know, chicks don't dig defense).

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#220 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 01:38 PM

Yeah, it was a defensive battle. But it was also just bad shooting most of the night by both teams, Butler in particular. While lots of shots were contested, plenty of open shots (including layups, put backs and wide open jumpers) were missed all night.

The two semi-final games were low scoring and not good shooting games either. It happens a lot in the final four. They need to quit having it in huge football domes, and just have it in big NBA and college arenas like the earlier rounds. No sense in having in in huge domes in from of 70,000 plus people which is not an environment most teams have played in all season. Just done for greed to sell more tickets.

But yeah poor shooting, defensive struggles just aren't fun to watch. Especially if you're watching with no clear rooting interest as your team isn't in it.

#221 bvharris

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 01:54 PM

I definitely agree that it's stupid to have this thing in football stadiums, and yeah it mostly just boils down to greed.

I actually think a bigger factor was just how tired both teams were. Guys were having trouble getting up and down the floor in the first half and by the end a few looked like they were ready to fall over on the court. I know logistically it wouldn't make sense to spread the Final 4 out over two weekends, but I think fatigue was the primary factor last night.

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#222 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:07 PM

I think the fatigue was just from how aggressive defense was all game.

You don't always see that kind of fatigue in the title game, and it's no different than earlier games in the tourney with just one day off in between games (play Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday) and the same one week off between round preceding it.

#223 evildeadjedi

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:48 PM

I personally think if they didn't have the conference tournaments on top of the 3 week tourney we wouldn't see this issue. UCONN had to be on on their last legs and I can't blame them, they played in five hard fought games in the Big East tourney and then five days later they start the tourney. They should just have one game between the two best teams overall in the conference to decide the champion.
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#224 Confucius

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:51 PM

We did indeed. Also people who prefer defense (are there any?) Granted neither team was even hitting open shots most of the night, so that helped a lot, but UConn's defense was historically good tonight. Almost set a championship game record for blocks and allowed 2 (TWO!) points in the paint. That's ridiculous. The shooting percentage speaks for itself. They contested pretty much everything and were on Butler like white on rice all night. It certainly isn't going to go on anyone's offensive highlight reel, but it was a defensive clinic (I know, chicks don't dig defense).


Ehh, they touched upon this in the broadcast last night. While Uconn did force Butler shooters off their game a little bit, they also missed WIDE OPEN shots. Uconn had good defense but it wouldn't have been historically great if Butler didn't stink up the joint.

But a win is a win is a win.

#225 bvharris

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 03:55 PM

Ehh, they touched upon this in the broadcast last night. While Uconn did force Butler shooters off their game a little bit, they also missed WIDE OPEN shots. Uconn had good defense but it wouldn't have been historically great if Butler didn't stink up the joint.


They missed the few that they had, but I don't recall seeing all that many open looks. I mean for any team to shoot as poorly as they did you've got to have a combination of offensive ineptitude and great defense, I don't think either one alone could account for something that looked so bad. That said, if I was a defensive-minded coach I would be showing this UConn performance as a how-to guide on d.

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#226 thamaster24

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 06:16 PM

I actually enjoyed the first half, for a while I thought both teams just had Championship game jitters. Then the second half came and UConn shot a little better while Butler just couldn't hit anything.

They really only had a couple layups missed, which of course they should have hit, but they were wide open on plenty of threes. Howard tried to bring it in but the D was just too tough for him. It really surprised me that Mack didn't start bombing away earlier. He hit two 3's but it was way too late in the game to have any effect. Reason they lost was their inability to establish the inside game and rebounding goes along with that. Sad to think if they had hit 2 or 3 more of those threes, raised their pct from (9-33) 27.3% to (12-33) 36.4% and hit 3 more free throws (8-14) 57.1% to (11-14) 78.6% it would've been "tied".
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#227 lordopus99

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Posted 05 April 2011 - 09:05 PM

Both teams shot horribly. Butler 18.8%, UConn 34.5%. It was a case of who was worse. Neither team looked great. When I saw Mack miss a wide open layup, I knew it was time to turn it off (that was a minute or so of game time). I wouldn't chalk it to defense at all.

End of story.

#228 Josef

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 04:05 AM

I wouldn't chalk it to defense at all.


Yeah...a near record 9 blocks by UConn was all because of Butler's bad shot selection. No defense at all.

#229 dmaul1114

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 04:19 AM

Yeah, there was a lot of great defense on both ends.

Plenty of poor shooting with missing the open looks they did get. But lots of blocked shots, contested shots, deflected passes etc. It was an impressive defensive effort on both sides.

Hell, a lot of the missing of open looks may have been from rushing the few open shots they had after being frustrated by tight defense all night.

#230 lordopus99

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 02:40 PM

Yeah, there was a lot of great defense on both ends.

Plenty of poor shooting with missing the open looks they did get. But lots of blocked shots, contested shots, deflected passes etc. It was an impressive defensive effort on both sides.

Hell, a lot of the missing of open looks may have been from rushing the few open shots they had after being frustrated by tight defense all night.


I wouldn't blame that on the missed shots. They had around 25 "good look" shots and missed all of them. Yes, UConn had a block party with some nice close outs but Butler had enough open looks to win. They just missed every open shot they took including all the post moves early on. They abandoned the post in the second, which helped cap off the downfall.