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#61 FasterTTW

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:33 PM

edit: more comments as i listen to the show so i'll combine them all instead of posting 1500 times..


on zune:
it always makes me laugh when people who've clearly never used a zune make comments about them.

it's a device that mirrors the functionality of the ipod, and adds a few hit-or-miss-depending-on-the-person features(wireless sync, unlimited music subscription option, fm radio, better software)

..but in the minds of people who've never used it, it's just somehow worse than an ipod and always will be.

why? because you could get it in brown at one point? or the distinct lack of a monotone piece of fruit stamped on it?


on the 3ds touch screen:
the 3ds has a stylus because it's a resistive screen, it reacts to pressure. most smartphones use capacitive screens, which react to electrical current(which is why a gloved finger won't work).

the resistive screen is MUCH better for the way the 3ds uses it.. mostly taps and occasionally writing/drawing.
on a cell phone you are swiping a lot and not writing with much accuracy.

cliff notes: a game like brain age which is based on handwriting recognition would be nearly impossible on a capacitive screen(go buy a capacitive stylus and try to do some handwriting on it..). and forget about drawing anything.

and really.. the only thing i've bothered to pull the stylus out for so far was the keyboard.. which was like.. 3 times? everything else seems to give you nice meaty buttons to mash with your fingertips.

Edited by smoger, 11 April 2011 - 01:10 PM.


#62 FasterTTW

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 12:49 PM

Here's why I personally think the 3DS is a pile of garbage...

-it's region locked
-has no second analog stick
-3-5 Hour battery life
-a 1996 cell phone quality camera
-graphics that are on par with a handheld from 2005*
-small, low-resolution screens
-friend codes
-no voice chat
-no web browser until ???
-no virtual console until ???
-no nes/snes/n64/gb games on the virtual console at all.
-a 3d gimmick that hurts the battery life, performance of games, and let Nintendo jack up the price.
-costs $250 for a portable video game system.

*Honestly, maybe the 3DS is slightly better, but considering just how close these are for a $129 6 year old system and a 1 month old $250 system.... it's kind of sad.


these complaints sound like someone who wants a 3ds but for whatever reason can't get access and is trying to convince himself that he doesn't.

1996 cell phone camera? cell phones in 1996 didn't have color screens, external memory, OR cameras.. let alone 3d ones.
(not that anyone could - or is expecting to- buy the 3ds and use it as a primary camera)

the graphics that i've seen(and i actually OWN both, so im not just saying things based on youtube videos) are far superior to the psp.

and anyway, why not consider game quality? i've owned the 3ds for 2 weeks and i probably already played it more than the psp i've owned for a year that's currently collecting dust in a corner of my house somewhere

it doesn't have friend codes, it has A friend code. One. Just like you have A username for PSN/XBL. If they are losing points for having 1 friend code, then how do you suggest they have people make connections?

the psp was $250 when it was cutting edge also. (right?)

look,.. im not here to shoot down anyone's opinions.. but clearly much of your post wasn't based on opinions at all.. they were presented as facts, and twisted facts at that.

to each his own

#63 epicelite

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 03:21 PM

Come on down to Florida cheepy! All we got here are HURRicanes but you get PLENTY of warning! :bouncy:

Come to Venice so I can pal around with you! ;_;

#64 Conboy

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 03:32 PM

I concur with one of the earlier post Cheapy, if you are not having another get, get the procedure done. There is a little discomfort afterwards, but it is mild and the fact that you are ready to go anywhere and anytime is a bonus.
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#65 trip1eX

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 05:00 PM

I am going to predict CheapyD's thoughts on the 3DS:

1. "I don't really play handhelds."
2. "If I were to then it'd be on the iPhone/iPad"
3. "Why pay for $40 when you can pay $1?"
4. "3D sucks."


hahaha. was going to do the same thing.

I also say he complains about the $250 price and launch lineup. And he will mention his 3dtv and how much better it is.

YOu know in advance its just a question of how much he hates it. :)

Listening to the podcast now.

#66 CozmoKhan

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 05:46 PM

For extra laughs, try listening to the CAGCast at 2X speed on an ipod. Cheapy's laughter sounds like a baritone chipmunk. And, when he goes "mmmmmm" it sounds like a wookie.

All in all, another good podcast, even without Shipwreck.

#67 trip1eX

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 06:40 PM

Ok so Cheapier hates the 3ds. Wow that was a surprise.

Just let us know when you like something from Nintendo. Just so I can experience an earthquake too. :)

I will agree the 3d is part miss but there's also some hit there. It adds something at times. In Pilotwings when you swoop down between some trees and 3d is on you feel like you're there man. It's a bit more of a rush.

But yeah the viewing angle can be lost if you don't hold still (I think this is something you get used to) and in general it is just harder on the eyes. Makes 'em work harder. The way you know that is that you feel a bit of relief when going back to 2d like you're taking a break after doing 150 jumping jacks.

Gotta say though that where's the FAce RAiders comments? That thing was hilarious laugh-out-loud evening's entertainment for my kids and wife and myself. Great use of the camera for the background and for faces and great use of the gyroscope.

The AR stuff was also interesting hadn't seen that before stuff.

Anyway remains to be seen how much Nintendo exploits the 3d.

For now though it's the visual equivalent of Rumble.

The sillier stuff is that the 3ds should cost much less because some parts were priced closer to $100 on the internets, or because a newer model will come out and or because the battery life isn't as good as before. The Touch doesn't suffer from this stuff? Apple makes the biggest margins around. Apple releases a new Touch model every year. And ever play a real game on the Touch? Battery life goes quick.

Anyway I own a Wii, DS, 3ds, 360, Windows 7 pc, Imac, iPod, ATV and no Sony products. So I go both ways and then some. Sorry Sony.

Edited by trip1eX, 11 April 2011 - 06:58 PM.


#68 kingkiller33

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 08:16 PM

The show flows so much better with just CheapyD and Wombat. Just like back in the "good 'ol days".


Yea I didn't miss whining Boat Crash one bit. LOL

#69 kingkiller33

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 08:19 PM

Glad to hear WWE all stars is a fun game. I had zero interest in it before.

#70 Microshock

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 08:30 PM

these complaints sound like someone who wants a 3ds but for whatever reason can't get access and is trying to convince himself that he doesn't.

1996 cell phone camera? cell phones in 1996 didn't have color screens, external memory, OR cameras.. let alone 3d ones.
(not that anyone could - or is expecting to- buy the 3ds and use it as a primary camera)

the graphics that i've seen(and i actually OWN both, so im not just saying things based on youtube videos) are far superior to the psp.

and anyway, why not consider game quality? i've owned the 3ds for 2 weeks and i probably already played it more than the psp i've owned for a year that's currently collecting dust in a corner of my house somewhere

it doesn't have friend codes, it has A friend code. One. Just like you have A username for PSN/XBL. If they are losing points for having 1 friend code, then how do you suggest they have people make connections?

the psp was $250 when it was cutting edge also. (right?)

look,.. im not here to shoot down anyone's opinions.. but clearly much of your post wasn't based on opinions at all.. they were presented as facts, and twisted facts at that.

to each his own


I don't know, maybe Nintendo SHOULDNT have friend codes? Because they're stupid and a waste of time and I don't want to copy and paste or write down these 16 digit codes.

Seriously, Nintendo has been fucking up their online system .....since they've begun trying to do anything with online. They could've put some really nice standards into the 3DS but they screwed that up too. Universal username, achievements, voice chat, who knows? Nothing.

Also, I've played two games on the 3DS and nothing about the graphics make it better than whats on a PSP or current gen iPod touch.

People tend to play the things they get less than two weeks ago more frequently than a 6 year old handheld.

Having gimmicks does not make the 3DS "cutting edge" and when your primary gimmick is nothing more than one of those images that you tilt back and forth, it sucks.
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#71 Kazaganthi

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 09:29 PM

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 02:08 AM

Thanks for doing the show, guys. I know it must sound odd, but I look forward to it each week (and I don't even have an empty life!)

Since hopping onboard the CAGcast about ep. 180 or so, I've gone back and listened to MANY of the older episodes. There's something to be said for the Cheapy/Wombat dynamic, but Shipwreck contributes specialized video game lore the others don't have.

Only problem with this is that Ship will frequently try to engage them on one of these types of topics (DS games, RPGs, etc.) and they're like, "Nope." So where Wombat and Cheapy banter well with one another, Ship frequently feels like he's just talking to us. He's best when he's cleverly getting the jokes in at Wombat's and Cheapy's expense, though.

#73 Microshock

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 04:33 AM

Thanks for doing the show, guys. I know it must sound odd, but I look forward to it each week (and I don't even have an empty life!)

Since hopping onboard the CAGcast about ep. 180 or so, I've gone back and listened to MANY of the older episodes. There's something to be said for the Cheapy/Wombat dynamic, but Shipwreck contributes specialized video game lore the others don't have.

Only problem with this is that Ship will frequently try to engage them on one of these types of topics (DS games, RPGs, etc.) and they're like, "Nope." So where Wombat and Cheapy banter well with one another, Ship frequently feels like he's just talking to us. He's best when he's cleverly getting the jokes in at Wombat's and Cheapy's expense, though.


CheapyD and Wombat have more in common than what they have in common in Shipwreck. They're both jews, both lived in New York, both like the same types of games...
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#74 phatbhuda

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 04:19 PM

Sorry CheapyD, but you can't say Lee is just a Korean name. Just to name two famous Chinese Lee's:
Bruce Lee, Jet Li.

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 06:21 PM

I can't believe the "rubbers" ordeal was finally talked about! LOL. All along I thought, why is this married man still using rubbers? He must have been a wild man in college and caught something. And it turns out he doesn't want anymore kids. Dude, there are plenty of parent planning solutions available, including a vasectomy as mentioned. Dump the rubbers already! Great show as always guys!

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#76 banodyne

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Posted 12 April 2011 - 08:14 PM

If Cheapy is going to relocate to anywhere cheap in the U.S. he should go to Kansas City. Why? Google announced they're going wire that city so everyone gets 1GB/sec internet speeds.

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 01:30 AM

On the Zoon:


It all makes sense now.

You guys never used a Zune, you just got your opinions from Robot Chicken!

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#78 oscargrouch

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 09:32 AM

Ok, just so I have this correct CheapyD,

Don't post a video on the internet of you shooting an elephant if you are the CEO of a company.

But if you own a company, say a video game shopping community, its a good idea to say I'm going to a specific event at a specific time and staying at a specific hotel in California, in which I will smoke a big bag of weed I purchased, and announce your intention on a fake radio show on the internet?

Just checking ;)



 


#79 itachiitachi

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:59 PM

Wow, cheapy was awful eager to predict the death of the 3DS. It should probably noted that the PSP out selling the 3DS in Japan had less to do with a decline in 3DS sales and much more to due to the fact that since the release of the FF collection on the PSP its weekly sales are 2.5 times what they where before.
Either way it's two early to draw conclusion on the 3DS when it doesn't really have any system sellers out for it yet.

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#80 diablo343

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 04:54 PM

Dear Cheapy, getting a vasectomy doesn't ensure that you will no longer have to wear rubbers. My wife made me get one 6 months before she left me and my new girlfriend still makes me wear them. She says one form of birth control isn't enough, and since I like having sex, I wear them.

On the subject of a vasectomy, it only hurts when they inject you with the anesthetic, and that part really hurts, so if you can make it through that, you'll be fine. I'm pretty wussy and I survived, I doubt you'll have any trouble.

#81 CozmoKhan

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 06:20 PM

Dear Cheapy, getting a vasectomy doesn't ensure that you will no longer have to wear rubbers. My wife made me get one 6 months before she left me and my new girlfriend still makes me wear them. She says one form of birth control isn't enough, and since I like having sex, I wear them.

On the subject of a vasectomy, it only hurts when they inject you with the anesthetic, and that part really hurts, so if you can make it through that, you'll be fine. I'm pretty wussy and I survived, I doubt you'll have any trouble.


What about the smoke and the smell of burning flesh? That's much worse than the pain of a little needle. But, then you get the added benefit of sitting on the couch playing video games for hours with a pack of frozen peas on your crotch. I started and finished Mass Effect 1 over the two days of rest.

#82 McBeesj

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 06:44 PM

I had a vacetomy a month before my third kid was born and my kid is 5 now with no more new kids. their is not smell of burning flesh, and it was not a big deal and I do not have to worry about putting on a condom in the middle of sex with my wife, it is a life changer and amazing, but I already have three kids so make sure your wife does not want more kids because a reversal is a whole different story

#83 benjamouth

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Posted 13 April 2011 - 07:32 PM

I enjoyed the sans Shipwreck show actually.

and remember kids....

Wang or Chong = Chinese
Lee or Park = Korean

It's a simple rule !!

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#84 jh6269

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 03:46 AM

I have to add a +1 to the sentiments that the show is so much better without Shipwreck. First CAGCast that I enjoyed in a long time.

Please lose Shipwreck, or at the very least only have him on once every two months to whine about the PS3 and do a game review or something.

Also, thanks Cheapy for validating why I will be skipping the 3DS.
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#85 whoknows

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Posted 14 April 2011 - 03:53 AM

Ok, just so I have this correct CheapyD,

Don't post a video on the internet of you shooting an elephant if you are the CEO of a company.

But if you own a company, say a video game shopping community, its a good idea to say I'm going to a specific event at a specific time and staying at a specific hotel in California, in which I will smoke a big bag of weed I purchased, and announce your intention on a fake radio show on the internet?

Just checking ;)


Smoking weed is cool though. Shooting elephants is cool too, but just not as cool since elephants have a known weakness to bullets.

I wonder if the GoDaddy CEO has ever heard of a fence...


I'm pretty sure those haven't been invented in Africa yet. Plus I'm pretty sure an elephant is stronger than a fence.

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#86 Lobster

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 04:59 PM

When people pan The Arrival, what they say is, "this is not what Mass Effect is," and "this is BS, I didn't get to choose."

What they really mean is, "my Shepard had to do something bad and I was going for a perfect, flawless playthrough where nobody died ever."

I think The Arrival is great because it shows just how dire the situation actually is. It shows the player that there are going to be losses and even if the Council wins, it's still going to be the most catastrophic thing to happen for the last 50,000 years.

I think it's OK when things have a cost. Clearly most people disagree.

As for Shipwreck, he's probably my favorite person on the show. He's clearly very intelligent and routinely provides good information. Somehow he does this without laughing about how funny dicks and gay people are. It's truly a mystery.

Edited by Lobster, 15 April 2011 - 05:01 PM.
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