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#31 Microshock

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:24 AM

I actually love the Transformers movies. See, people like CheapyD and Shipwreck are blinded by the nostalgia of the original cartoons. They cannot watch the original ones and actually find flaws, because the warm fuzzy memories of their childhood overpower it. The cartoons are actually immensely dumb, with amazing scenes like a Transformer fishing with a human.

Me on the other hand, I have fun watching huge robots fight. And I know the jokes aren't exactly high class and thankfully for the third movie, they removed those two wangsta robots. BUT YOU GET TO SEE ROBOTS BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF EACH OTHER. Shia Labeouf is a capable actor so it's not like the parts with the humans are bad either. I really enjoyed the whole college scene with Shia and him freaking out in class drawing Cybertron symbols.

Transformers 1 was better just because the atmosphere was a bit more serious than the second one. The second one just goofed around a bit too much and it seems like the third one will go back to the more serious tone.

These are fun summer movies. Of course you're not going to enjoy them if you have a stick up your ass every time and compare it to your nostalgia cartoons.

And man oh man, Cheapy's apple fanboyness is showing AGAIN. How dare anyone choose a phone other than the iphone? If they chose an Xperia Play they're a Sony Fanboy, if they choose a Windows Phone 7 then they're microsoft fanboys. And if they choose an android phone, then the iphone must be better.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:49 AM

You guys know a former mod that is an prime example of the type of person that loves the Transformer movies.

I've only ever seen one RedBox machine around here and I'd never bother wasting the time and gas it takes to go out there to rent a game for a day. The only use that I can see for it is if I have to have a certain right this second and have a completely empty day to dedicate to it.

Virtua Tennis 4 is easy, especially early on. If you're losing really early, then you suck. I really enjoyed it a lot since the career mode is short enough that I can get through it in a few sessions.

I have to wonder why Volition decided to turn a great open world game into a linear corridor third-person shooter. I'd get Saint's Row 3 day one if it had GeoMod tech in it.

I've had an iPod Touch for nearly 18 months now and I'd never get an iPhone because of my experience with it. I'm hoping that Sony allows general use apps (ESPN, email, Twitter, etc.) on Vita so that I have a reason to get rid of my Touch for good.

The New New Xbox Experience is for everybody. It looks like a mix of the Windows 8 interface and the XMB:



iPad's been able to play games over HDMI since it launched, as Tested does their Apps of the Week videos using that feature. Apple is far behind Sony, MS, and Nintendo in terms of having consumer-friendly gaming devices and software, as they only make different styles of phones that happen to be decent at playing small games if you know how to work within their system. That "only those who don't have an iPhone hate it" line is ridiculous.

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#33 GOTA

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:12 AM

Wombat,

If Apple decided the needed to start creating games for their new console they would just buy whoever they needed. They had over $60 billion in cash last quarter and shareholders want to see them put it to use. Paying $17 billion for Activision Blizzard would be an easy way to launch their new console. Imagine a new WoW that could be played on the console, IPad an IPhone. Now imagine the subscription revenue that would bring in.

IPhone is now 52% of Apple's revenues. They need to start to diversify for the same reasons they went into the MP3 player and phone market many years ago. The success the Microsoft has had in gaming they're going to attractive. In the not so distant future this will be the system that we'll all be playing.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 12:10 PM

And man oh man, Cheapy's apple fanboyness is showing AGAIN. How dare anyone choose a phone other than the iphone? If they chose an Xperia Play they're a Sony Fanboy, if they choose a Windows Phone 7 then they're microsoft fanboys. And if they choose an android phone, then the iphone must be better.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.:applause: One model does not fit all people. Or to put it in terms Cheapy can understand: "Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you, may not be right for some." - Different Strokes, 1978

I've used an iPhone. Just had a Droid X. Now I'm on a Windows Phone (HTC Arrive) and pretty happy with it.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 01:46 PM

RE: Redbox gaming rentals.

I live in Portland, Oregon and we've had Redbox gaming rentals for about six months, so maybe it had a test run all along the West coast? I recently had an issue where I rented LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean for the PS3 and it gave me the 360 version instead even though I pushed the "PS3" option for the game format.

I called Redbox customer service to complain and was given a credit. Customer service also told me "people getting the wrong games for the wrong systems through Redbox is an ongoing problem." So the people that load up the Redbox kiosks are not paying too much attention to what they are doing. At the particular kiosk I use sometimes (I live across the street from a grocery store that has one) even the box art inserts for movies and games (on the kiosk, not the screen) are inserted backwards.

Hope this news is interesting.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:40 PM

Good show guys. Interesting to hear Cheapy's kinect impressions although it seems like his mind was made up already. I tried Child of Eden with the kinect controls last night and I was impressed, but I haven't compared with the controller yet though.

Good luck Ship!

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 02:54 PM

Great show guys. I love the Thug Life segments. I was tempted to get a kinect for child of Eden until your review Cheapy. I was still slightly interested to use the voice features and using my hand for the menu and Netflix but it just does not seem worth it at this point. And the video above makes the kinect menu look hard to control and annoying.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 03:59 PM

I'm not going to dispute your opinion on the Transformers movies. I will dispute your claim from a previous show that they are worse than the G.I. Joe movie from 2009. I don't think I've seen more wooden acting and unnecessary flashbacks in any other film.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 04:13 PM

I'm not going to dispute your opinion on the Transformers movies. I will dispute your claim from a previous show that they are worse than the G.I. Joe movie from 2009. I don't think I've seen more wooden acting and unnecessary flashbacks in any other film.


Other than the part of the movie where they use the cool robo suits, the movie was pure cheese. I was hoping for a Transformers style movie where it was fun but...no.

It's just nostalgia blocking their view on these things. Shipwreck is obviously a bigger GI Joe fan than a Transformers fan so he won't say the movie was worse than the Transformers one.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

Neither G.I. Joe nor Transformers are fine pieces of cinema, but G.I. Joe more represented what a live-action G.I. Joe movie would be. It would be cheesy and campy and involve shooting lasers around well-known monuments. Also it would have ninjas. The Transformers movie was focused on humans (I also can't stand Shia Lebeouf) and the redeeming bits of robots actually fighting were often so difficult to tell what was going on that it was just a blur... other than the close-ups on GM logos. It also contained comedy bits that I think were written for Jar Jar Binks before being cut out of Star Wars Episode II & III.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 04:29 PM

I've had an iPod Touch for nearly 18 months now and I'd never get an iPhone because of my experience with it. I'm hoping that Sony allows general use apps (ESPN, email, Twitter, etc.) on Vita so that I have a reason to get rid of my Touch for good.

iPad's been able to play games over HDMI since it launched, as Tested does their Apps of the Week videos using that feature. Apple is far behind Sony, MS, and Nintendo in terms of having consumer-friendly gaming devices and software, as they only make different styles of phones that happen to be decent at playing small games if you know how to work within their system. That "only those who don't have an iPhone hate it" line is ridiculous.


I know there's a lot of hate for the Zune (a product none of the guys on the show have ever used), but it really does beat the shit out of iPods because of the Zune pass alone. It's awesome enough to on it's own make me seriously consider getting a WP7 phone next year. I'd definitely recommend picking a Zune up when the hardware gets sufficiently cheap.

#42 Microshock

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:00 PM

Neither G.I. Joe nor Transformers are fine pieces of cinema, but G.I. Joe more represented what a live-action G.I. Joe movie would be. It would be cheesy and campy and involve shooting lasers around well-known monuments. Also it would have ninjas. The Transformers movie was focused on humans (I also can't stand Shia Lebeouf) and the redeeming bits of robots actually fighting were often so difficult to tell what was going on that it was just a blur... other than the close-ups on GM logos. It also contained comedy bits that I think were written for Jar Jar Binks before being cut out of Star Wars Episode II & III.


I never thought that the humans overpowered the Transformers movies. People need someone in the movie to relate to, and Optimus Prime is not a relatable guy.

Also, this thing with the fighting? Come on. That's just a silly excuse, it's VERY easy to tell who is fighting who and see the fight in general. Don't sit two rows from the screen.

See, you're nitpicking so hard that you've even had to fall back on the "they're using GM cars" argument. Something that you shouldn't even pay attention to.
You give a free pass to GI Joe for being so bad because "the cartoons were like that" but Transformers is somehow worse than the cartoons.

But whatever, its your opinion. Still clouded by nostalgia but your opinion nonetheless.
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#43 Protocol Snow

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:08 PM

I had to laugh when Cheapy got offended by Wombat saying there aren't any iOS games he was (seriously) interested in, not 30 minutes after Cheapy browbeat him for considering an Android phone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

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Best part of the episode by far. It's amazing how genuinely hurt Cheapy became when Wombat insulted the iPhone.

"The people who hate the iphone are the people who don't have one"

That line is hilarious. I guarantee you Cheapy has never used a Win Phone 7 or Android phone for more than 10 minutes.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:01 PM

I know there's a lot of hate for the Zune (a product none of the guys on the show have ever used), but it really does beat the shit out of iPods because of the Zune pass alone. It's awesome enough to on it's own make me seriously consider getting a WP7 phone next year. I'd definitely recommend picking a Zune up when the hardware gets sufficiently cheap.


I like owning songs not renting them and the MP3 player part of iPods is the least interesting (it's not 2001 anymore). It's the apps.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:05 PM

I like owning songs not renting them.


It's 15 dollars a month and they let you own about 10 songs every month. So that's like 10 dollars worth of songs right there and then 5 dollars for the unlimited listening.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:27 PM

I'm so glad Wombat said something about Cheapy's Apple slurping. How many iPhone games do you think Cheapy even owns? Wombat asked if iPhone really has console quality games and all Cheapy can say is Sword and Sworcery EP, a game that he probably wouldn't even know about if not for the 8-4 Play podcast/Mark MacDonald. I'm not trying to insult iPhone/iPad gaming, but it just doesn't compare to console gaming at all. I own hundreds of different iPhone games and there are certainly a good number of excellent gaming experiences, but they are reserved for pre-bedtime gaming for me. Does anyone really want to play these crappy console Gameloft ripoff games on a television?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:50 PM

Wombat calling out Cheapy's man-crush on Apple was hilarious. Cheapy has drunk so much Apple Kool Aid he can't even tell anymore. I couldn't stop laughing at Wombat's jokes. Funniest part of an episode in a long time.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:11 PM

I like owning songs not renting them and the MP3 player part of iPods is the least interesting (it's not 2001 anymore). It's the apps.


How many things do you need to have the app experience on anyway? I really don't need everything I carry to be able to check my facebook, calculate tips or play games on. Since I stopped downloading "free" music, it's been very helpful to have a service that allows me to listen to everything I could ever want to and more before having to purchase. If you mean owning as opposed to buying, stealing is definitely cheaper. But there's no way you'd be able to hear 90% of songs on each album, much less 90% of the artists out there since all radio stations play only the same 10 songs. In my experience, usually the best songs and artists never make it into the radio/mtv play. I like not throwing my money away, so being able to preview all the music I could want legally for the price of one new release (not even to mention the fact that I'm allowed to download 10 free mp3s that aren't locked to my Zune every month) makes it more than worth it.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:19 PM

I never thought that the humans overpowered the Transformers movies. People need someone in the movie to relate to, and Optimus Prime is not a relatable guy.

Also, this thing with the fighting? Come on. That's just a silly excuse, it's VERY easy to tell who is fighting who and see the fight in general. Don't sit two rows from the screen.

See, you're nitpicking so hard that you've even had to fall back on the "they're using GM cars" argument. Something that you shouldn't even pay attention to.
You give a free pass to GI Joe for being so bad because "the cartoons were like that" but Transformers is somehow worse than the cartoons.

But whatever, its your opinion. Still clouded by nostalgia but your opinion nonetheless.


Both Transformers movies suck. I grew up with the original cartoon and it sucked too. The movies suck because they're all about explosions and effects. They do focus primarily on the humans while the original focused mainly on the robots. The 2nd one is also a piece of racist garbage. I don't know why they think minorities exist purely for comic relief and mockery. Michael Bay is a piece of shit director and I don't care what Hot Fuzz has to say about it.

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Great show as always everyone! Very funny!

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 09:21 PM

99% sure they already announced compatibility with Wii titles but not Gamecube.

And why should we assume that there won't be a transfer utility? In their most recent console release, there WAS one. We just won't know for sure either way until they say, so it's pointless to take guesses about it.


Yup, you're right about the backwards compatibility. That's what I get for getting my news from twitter. I had infered that no DVD playback meant it wouldnt play the Wii discs. My bad.
As far as the transfer though, I really would hope so, but I've lost faith in Nintendo the past few years and think they won't give anything for free that they believe they can get people to pay for once again.

I'm terrified about the fact that The Gunstringer is going to be on a retail disc instead of XBLA. Twisted Pixel's other XBLA games are just about perfect length. They feel right for the (low) price, and you're not sick of them by the time you beat them. The Gunstringer seems neat, but already somewhat light on gameplay variation (from what little I've seen). If they're going to artificially inflate this game to fit perceived standards of a "full retail game" it could be bad.
What they should do is make an Orange Box type of release... Package Gunstringer and Ms Splosion Man (as exclusives to this package) along with special editions of their older games (new levels, playable characters) and then they can price it at $50. That would at least seem like consumers are getting full value for their money.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 10:05 PM

Apple has the right distribution model to take over the next console generation. The app store distribution model is to the optical disc as the cd was to the cartridge.

But everything else? I don't see it.

I can't see them making a traditional game controller.

Can't see them making cheap hardware. And like Wombat said where's the 1st party development and who cares if you can play Cut the Rope on your 50" hdtv?

PLus Apple never has really liked gaming. Jobs has come around some since it has blossomed on the iPOd touch and iPHONe etc, but....

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Don't get the ipad vs the Wii comparison from Cheapie. Seems mostly Apples vs ambulances. The tablet controller might have some crossover, but it isn't a stand alone device. GAmes will be streamed to it from the console. And should be capable of better graphics, more involved games and better battery life as well.

Touchscreen on the controller exists because Nintendo is still trying to pull of its goal it started on the Wii of getting people to check in on the system every day. And what they found is it is too much a pain the arse to turn on the tv, switch inputs, turnon the Wii, wait for it boot, navigate to correct channel and check out what you want to check out.

Now all is supposed to be easier. So the idea is more folks will read messages, check out the weather & news channel, surf maybe, etc if all you have to do is glance at the screen on the controller and touch it.

IT also makes for new gameplay experiences ala the DS.

Last many families share a tv screen. Kicking junior's game off the tv and onto his controller when DAd wants to watch the football game is going to be a big sellling point.


Oh and maybe Wii U can get around its 3rd party death sentence scheduled 2-3 years after it launches or when the next xbox and ps3 come out by making itself powerful enough to do 720p ports of presumably 1080p games on the next xbox and PS3.

Starting to sip some Wii U kool aid.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:00 PM

Both Transformers movies suck. I grew up with the original cartoon and it sucked too. The movies suck because they're all about explosions and effects. They do focus primarily on the humans while the original focused mainly on the robots. The 2nd one is also a piece of racist garbage. I don't know why they think minorities exist purely for comic relief and mockery. Michael Bay is a piece of shit director and I don't care what Hot Fuzz has to say about it.


No, they suck to YOU because they're all about explosions and effects. It's a freaking Michael Bay movie, don't even whine because you had no idea what you were getting into.

The second one was racist? Because of two robots that were more of a joke on white people trying to act black? You sound like one of those idiotic critics who have nothing better to do but nitpick stupid shit like that to make you sound smarter.

Don't watch the third one. You won't enjoy it. Meanwhile, me and the millions of others who will watch it will have fun.

LOL I can't wait to be labeled the Transformers fanboy on the show.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:04 AM

Have you guys seen the preview for the new Transformers movie? My situation with the 2nd movie is exactly like Cheapy's; tried to watch it but just didn't give a shit. It was total garbage it seemed to just be capitalizing on the Transformers name and blockbuster presence.

The next one looks pretty awesome though. That big ass snake thing tearing through that building made my asshole pucker when I saw it. And if it means anything I heard Michael Bay say this was by far is favorite of the 3 movies on paper and even made reference to the 2nd movie being shit.

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I'm so glad Wombat said something about Cheapy's Apple slurping. How many iPhone games do you think Cheapy even owns?

I looked it up: 98.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:21 AM

No, they suck to YOU because they're all about explosions and effects. It's a freaking Michael Bay movie, don't even whine because you had no idea what you were getting into.

The second one was racist? Because of two robots that were more of a joke on white people trying to act black? You sound like one of those idiotic critics who have nothing better to do but nitpick stupid shit like that to make you sound smarter.

Don't watch the third one. You won't enjoy it. Meanwhile, me and the millions of others who will watch it will have fun.

LOL I can't wait to be labeled the Transformers fanboy on the show.


I knew exactly what I was getting into and still watched both in the theater. I watch tons of popcorn movies and have seen almost all of Bay's films IN THE THEATER. Doesn't mean I think he's a good director, or that he's made much of an effort to put decent stories into any of the Transformers movies so far. As for the 2nd one being racist, I'm black and can recognize when someone's trying to make fun of white people trying to act black. I was offended by the twins because they weren't trying to act black. They were the director and writers' vision of black autobots and they thought their blackness was comedy relief. But maybe you can find another racial stereotype transformer in either of the 2 movies. While you're at it, you can also list the characters in both of the movies that are there solely to be laughed at that weren't minorities. Outside of Sam's parents, you won't be able to come up with any. In fact, the only minority I can think of that wasn't there to be laughed at in the movies was Tyrese's character. If recognizing that they thought it would be funny to say that the black autobots can't read is nitpicking, then wow. You won't have to wait for the show for someone to call you a fanboy. Although I think it may be more accurate to call you a poser.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:38 AM

I knew exactly what I was getting into and still watched both in the theater. I watch tons of popcorn movies and have seen almost all of Bay's films IN THE THEATER. Doesn't mean I think he's a good director, or that he's made much of an effort to put decent stories into any of the Transformers movies so far. As for the 2nd one being racist, I'm black and can recognize when someone's trying to make fun of white people trying to act black. I was offended by the twins because they weren't trying to act black. They were the director and writers' vision of black autobots and they thought their blackness was comedy relief. But maybe you can find another racial stereotype transformer in either of the 2 movies. While you're at it, you can also list the characters in both of the movies that are there solely to be laughed at that weren't minorities. Outside of Sam's parents, you won't be able to come up with any. In fact, the only minority I can think of that wasn't there to be laughed at in the movies was Tyrese's character. If recognizing that they thought it would be funny to say that the black autobots can't read is nitpicking, then wow. You won't have to wait for the show for someone to call you a fanboy. Although I think it may be more accurate to call you a poser.


Funny, because the MAIN HUMAN CHARACTER is a clumsy, bumbling white guy! But no, pretend like these movies are racist. Sure.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 03:07 AM

Funny, because the MAIN HUMAN CHARACTER is a clumsy, bumbling white guy! But no, pretend like these movies are racist. Sure.


I'll say it again. Almost all of the minorities exist solely to be laughed at. The clumsy bumbling white guy is the hero with plenty of serious moments. The 1st black autobot rapped & danced the entire time until he was torn to pieces, which I think was the only autobot casualty in the 1st film (not that I think him dying is racist). The 2nd & 3rd black characters had gold teeth, spoke terrible english, were illiterate and were womanizers. The middle eastern guy and the latino guy are also only the butt of jokes throughout both movies. But this is all only a coincidence. It doesn't say anything at all that the people who made the movie thought that audiences would enjoy laughing at the stereotype of black people that the twins were supposed to represent. Definitely not. I'm just reaching so I can try to feel smart because I want to be a critic. Yet you're the one who has to throw out lame excuses to try to explain away the twins. It doesn't make you a racist if you enjoyed the movie. Nor does the racism inherent in the depiction of the twins make the movie suck. You don't have to defend these things because you want to justify how much you like the movie. I love Cop Out and Live Free or Die Hard, and I'm not ashamed of it. Transformers 2 sucks because the story is terrible. I'll give a pass on the acting, because I don't expect Shakespeare from summer blockbusters. But the plot was terrible. The end.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 03:20 AM

Wombat calling out Cheapy's man-crush on Apple was hilarious. Cheapy has drunk so much Apple Kool Aid he can't even tell anymore.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:10 AM

I'll say it again. Almost all of the minorities exist solely to be laughed at. The clumsy bumbling white guy is the hero with plenty of serious moments. The 1st black autobot rapped & danced the entire time until he was torn to pieces, which I think was the only autobot casualty in the 1st film (not that I think him dying is racist). The 2nd & 3rd black characters had gold teeth, spoke terrible english, were illiterate and were womanizers. The middle eastern guy and the latino guy are also only the butt of jokes throughout both movies. But this is all only a coincidence. It doesn't say anything at all that the people who made the movie thought that audiences would enjoy laughing at the stereotype of black people that the twins were supposed to represent. Definitely not. I'm just reaching so I can try to feel smart because I want to be a critic. Yet you're the one who has to throw out lame excuses to try to explain away the twins. It doesn't make you a racist if you enjoyed the movie. Nor does the racism inherent in the depiction of the twins make the movie suck. You don't have to defend these things because you want to justify how much you like the movie. I love Cop Out and Live Free or Die Hard, and I'm not ashamed of it. Transformers 2 sucks because the story is terrible. I'll give a pass on the acting, because I don't expect Shakespeare from summer blockbusters. But the plot was terrible. The end.


Ha ha look at you trying to be all hurt by a movies supposed stereotypes. Seriously, cry some more. You didn't know what you were getting into, your fault, the end.
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