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#31 Javery

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:05 AM

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#32 Confucius

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:14 AM

As far as portable gaming is concerned, a Android tab and phone will suit me more then fine, i get games for 99 cents or free from amazon app store, or i could pay 40 for one from nintendo and get restrictions like this. Times have changed, nintendo has to do MORE to compete for my dollars, not try harder to make me not consider them as a company to buy from.


That's exactly my point. If you love your android tab and phone so much, cool. Everyone can game wherever they want. I got no problems with the android gaming scene.

My question is: why the hell are you in a nintendo 3ds specific game thread then, besides being a douchebag and making a mockery of the English language.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:39 AM

If we don't oppose the idea now then what will happen is EVERY 3DS game will feature this. Just like what happened with DLC, if we all opposed it back then, then we would still be getting full games on discs and we wouldn't have to worry about paying extra to unlock maps and stuff like that.

Nintendo allowed this to happen, and yes it is worlds different than what is happened with every other game in the past. I have never met a game that didn't allow you to either 1. erase game data or 2. start new game. I guess when Nintendo said they are going to be implementing new measures to prevent piracy this was one of the things they were planning.

If this continues to happen I will definitely not be buying a 3DS, as much as I want to buy Nintendo's new system too many things are putting me off towards it right now. I am not trolling Nintendo I own a ton of their products and buy a lot of their games but the 3DS is just being done wrong IMO.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:40 AM

That's exactly my point. If you love your android tab and phone so much, cool. Everyone can game wherever they want. I got no problems with the android gaming scene.

My question is: why the hell are you in a nintendo 3ds specific game thread then, besides being a douchebag and making a mockery of the English language.


Because i have been wanting to find a excuse to buy a 3DS, just like i own every platform available since and im a tech whore who buys stuff just to have it. So things like games being disposable like razor blades, like RE Mercs 3DS is, is of course something i'd be taking note of, and of course it also concerns me about the Wii U and what nintendo will try to get away with then as well.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:48 AM

If we don't oppose the idea now then what will happen is EVERY 3DS game will feature this. Just like what happened with DLC, if we all opposed it back then, then we would still be getting full games on discs and we wouldn't have to worry about paying extra to unlock maps and stuff like that.

Nintendo allowed this to happen, and yes it is worlds different than what is happened with every other game in the past. I have never met a game that didn't allow you to either 1. erase game data or 2. start new game. I guess when Nintendo said they are going to be implementing new measures to prevent piracy this was one of the things they were planning.

If this continues to happen I will definitely not be buying a 3DS, as much as I want to buy Nintendo's new system too many things are putting me off towards it right now. I am not trolling Nintendo I own a ton of their products and buy a lot of their games but the 3DS is just being done wrong IMO.


This isn't an anti-piracy measure.

Also, there's no way anyone could have prevented DLC.

#36 admiralvic

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:52 AM

This isn't an anti-piracy measure.

Also, there's no way anyone could have prevented DLC.


This.

A lot of people are generally uninformed (I met a person who never knew PSN had network cards...) and DLC rarely does really well.

#37 pippin

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 03:27 AM

I'm not thrilled about this feature, but that's what the game developers wanted to do so that's what they did. It's completely absurd to lay all the blame on Nintendo for "allowing it".

Personally, I wouldn't want Nintendo to force third party developers into adjusting their games to fit strict guidelines. Sure it would be nice to know that all 3DS save files could be erased, but that would also mean that if the developers REALLY wanted to lock save data, the game would probably never be released. The fact that Nintendo DOESN'T enforce strict guidelines is exactly why any problem you have with a game is between you and the game developers.

I do hope that there's enough backlash to make Capcom realize that moves like this aren't in their best interests. I definitely don't want to see this becoming the rule instead of the exception, but I really don't think this will ever be a problem with any of the higher profile games.

Maybe if I were really excited about this game I would be more disappointed, but the promo video made it look pretty unimpressive. It seems to me like anyone who really wanted to play this will buy it anyway. If you decide not to buy a game for the simple fact that you cant erase save data, you probably weren't all that excited about it to begin with.

Lastly, I'm seeing more and more people who are apparently under the impression that the gaming industry leaders (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony) are going to go out of their way to please you, the individual consumer threatening to not support them. Nintendo especially is definitely not going to adapt their games or services to appeal to you as an individual. They do what they do and the people who like it buy it and the people who don't don't. There will always be people who aren't impressed with certain games or features, but the fact remains that they really don't need to please you. After all, these are gaming empires and you're just one consumer with a false sense of entitlement and a bad attitude.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 05:55 AM

Lastly, I'm seeing more and more people who are apparently under the impression that the gaming industry leaders (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony) are going to go out of their way to please you, the individual consumer threatening to not support them. Nintendo especially is definitely not going to adapt their games or services to appeal to you as an individual. They do what they do and the people who like it buy it and the people who don't don't. There will always be people who aren't impressed with certain games or features, but the fact remains that they really don't need to please you. After all, these are gaming empires and you're just one consumer with a false sense of entitlement and a bad attitude.


I don't think anyone is asking them to go out of their way by allowing more then one save. I think it is in their best interest to please at least the large majority of us or you know, we wouldn't buy their product. I don't see why consumers shouldn't have a sense of entitlement, we pay the money, so we expect certain kind of products!
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:39 AM

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:30 AM

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#41 MoCiWe

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 09:25 AM

While I don't like how they are doing this, this is one of the games I'll be picking up regardless because I want some 3DS game to play online with some of my friends and I liked the mercenaries modes on the other REs, and while the save thing sucks, as some people have said in a game like this it really doesn't matter because it's just characters and ranks and such, and honestly I'd prefer to always have all of the characters since it makes a game like this last longer imo.

#42 admiralvic

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 01:45 PM

Like I said before there are GBA games that don't allow you to erase your game save, and likely DS games that we dont know about.

For example Bomberman on GBA does not allow you to erase game save
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IIRC Sims 2 on DS also does not allow you to erase game save


Zookeeper also doesnt let you.

#43 itachiitachi

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 02:32 PM

Pokemon and this game are worlds apart. If the game is exactly like the version in the console games you wont even unlock weapons. (I believe those are unlocked by coins only.) I have yet to hear 1 solid reason to WANT to reset past "maybe if the planets align I might want to restart". Seriously gamestop will still accept it (most likely wont be affected by this) and theres not much to unlock. Its basically an arcade game... you unlock more stages and a few characters + a costume. Not a whole lot to unlock/justify restarting.

Maybe because the only progression in the game is unlocking the content(which is more than just a few stages, characters and costumes).

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 03:11 PM

Reviews are starting to roll in. Looks like the lack of content is what is really going to hurt this game. Glad I didn't jump on the Best Buy offer and waited for reviews, I'll wait for this to hit $20.

#45 theflicker

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 03:36 PM

Nintendo signed off on this decision by allowing it to pass cert, so nintendo is at fault here.

When Bionic Commando ReArmed 2 came out, only the PSN version had the stupid DRM. Know why? Because Microsoft does not allow non-standard DRM ontop of their own setup. So the experience is the same regardless of any XBLA game you purchase. So the capcom PSN DRM is Sonys fault for allowing third partys to use that DRM, and this Mercenaries 3D is Nintendos fault for allowing this to be done on their system. Its not rocket science.

P.S. - Super Monkey Ball 3DS also does the same thing, it is not a Capcom exclusive BS feature, it is a Nintendo 3DS feature. But no one bought Monkey Ball 3DS so we just heard about it now even tho it was a launch title.


And that's why you're selling your PS3, right?

I can delete my save files on Pilotwings and OoT. This is not a "Nintendo 3DS feature" it is a BS feature determined by each game publisher.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 04:08 PM

This seriously puts Capcom in the running for the title of Worst Publisher now next to EA and Activision.

What bothers me is they released $40 game of an essentially what should of been a $15 PSN title and then on top of that, said you can't delete saves. Nintendo has nothing to do with this. Just because Nintendo let this pass, doesn't mean Nintendo is at harm. Face it, Nintendo doesn't want to make enemies with companies and strict guidelines will make enemies, fast. Sure this practice is complete BS, yes but at the same time Nintendo just can't go say to every publisher what to do and can't do.

So apparently they think a $40 PSN title is a good idea yet when the subject of Megaman Legends 3 comes around it's oh I don't know, maybe? What kind of fucking idiots are working there.
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#47 SaraAB

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 04:28 PM

I don't think anyone is asking them to go out of their way by allowing more then one save. I think it is in their best interest to please at least the large majority of us or you know, we wouldn't buy their product. I don't see why consumers shouldn't have a sense of entitlement, we pay the money, so we expect certain kind of products!


I definitely have a sense of entitlement about products, and I will not buy a product until I feel a product meets my needs. The more money I have to spend the more I will feel like a product should have the features that I want it to have, regardless of the features that it actually has. After all I am paying the money and I am the consumer so I have every right to decide what I buy and what I don't buy. If I don't like a product then I don't buy it, or I wait for it to get the features I want it to have.

What I will not do is complain after I buy a product, when I buy a product I know what I am getting into. I do not own an electronics or gaming product that I purchased at retail that I am not satisfied with.

I don't see anything wrong with being this way, as long as I don't complain about something after I have bought it, then it would be hypocritical.

I waited like 2-3 years for apple to make an iPod touch with a camera and to get rid of all the crap like iTunes song DRM (though that doesn't affect me since I don't buy music from iTunes) and to get rid of paid software updates for the iPod touch plus a few other things I didn't like about apple. It was so worth it to wait for the 4th gen iPod touch that I am willing to wait 2-3 more years for a better 3DS. I am just really good at the concept of delayed gratification.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 05:38 PM

This is one of those times where I feel like I live in some kind of bizarro world, since I literally don't understand the outrage this has generated. Like, this has become an actual news item in the gaming community. I can't wrap my head around it.

Look, I get that there are implications here. I do. People worry that if Capcom does it this time that it'll mean they'll do it again, so let's all not buy Mercenaries because of it. The unfortunate bottom line there is, though, that the message Capcom will see is that people aren't interested in the game itself or 3DS games, not the save situation. If the game isn't great, that's fine, but I'm beginning to worry that this situation is going to negatively impact reviews beyond the scope of necessity.

As people pointed out, too, this isn't anything new. Sega did the exact same thing with Monkey Ball and no one flipped shit about it. It's what bugs me about this... no one cares until it negatively effects things they care about. Seriously, how many Monkey Ball reviews bothered to mention this? If they did, was it presented in the same light as this situation? People aren't villifying Sega... yet Capcom is getting roasted. Hell, people in this thread are even taking the extra step and placing blame on Nintendo. It's just baffling to me. You either care about the concept, or care about the fact that this is happening with a property/company you care about. Honest answer... how many of you would be flipping as much shit if this flap was about Sega and Monkey Ball?

I'm still, by the way, not totally convinced this was anything beyond a poor design choice by Capcom. The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used. If this was a game like Revelations, that's seemingly reasonable. However, for a game like Mercenaries, it's not nearly as important to be able to 'start over'. Until this situation hits a linear, story-based game I don't think there's any reason to panic.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here, I'm really not. I just literally can't wrap my head around the mess that this has turned into.

#49 dallow

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:23 PM

Apparently Gamestop won't take trade ins.
http://videogamewrit...naries-3d-14903

And Gamefly won't be carrying the title as well.

I hope the bad publicity means Capcom won't do this again.

#50 admiralvic

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:33 PM

This is one of those times where I feel like I live in some kind of bizarro world, since I literally don't understand the outrage this has generated. Like, this has become an actual news item in the gaming community. I can't wrap my head around it.

Look, I get that there are implications here. I do. People worry that if Capcom does it this time that it'll mean they'll do it again, so let's all not buy Mercenaries because of it. The unfortunate bottom line there is, though, that the message Capcom will see is that people aren't interested in the game itself or 3DS games, not the save situation. If the game isn't great, that's fine, but I'm beginning to worry that this situation is going to negatively impact reviews beyond the scope of necessity.

As people pointed out, too, this isn't anything new. Sega did the exact same thing with Monkey Ball and no one flipped shit about it. It's what bugs me about this... no one cares until it negatively effects things they care about. Seriously, how many Monkey Ball reviews bothered to mention this? If they did, was it presented in the same light as this situation? People aren't villifying Sega... yet Capcom is getting roasted. Hell, people in this thread are even taking the extra step and placing blame on Nintendo. It's just baffling to me. You either care about the concept, or care about the fact that this is happening with a property/company you care about. Honest answer... how many of you would be flipping as much shit if this flap was about Sega and Monkey Ball?

I'm still, by the way, not totally convinced this was anything beyond a poor design choice by Capcom. The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used. If this was a game like Revelations, that's seemingly reasonable. However, for a game like Mercenaries, it's not nearly as important to be able to 'start over'. Until this situation hits a linear, story-based game I don't think there's any reason to panic.

I'm not trying to attack anyone here, I'm really not. I just literally can't wrap my head around the mess that this has turned into.


I agree 100% but to take it a step further it seems like many forget that Mercs is an arcade game. There is a LOT to unlock, but the important core items are quickly unlocked.

My personal theory is not so much that it happened, but who's doing it. Many people bitch/moan about Capcom selling content on the disc (cause they're the only one to do that...), or making people pay for costumes (They're better than anything Blazblue/KoF added). Capcom gets complained left and right about the street fighter IV series (Normal, Super, Super 3d, Arcade), but I dont hear people complaining about Blazblue (CT, CS, CS 2, CS 2 +) as much. The real irony in that was Capcoms SSFIV was a better port than the shit called BBCS 2 (3DS).

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:34 PM

Apparently Gamestop won't take trade ins.
http://videogamewrit...naries-3d-14903

And Gamefly won't be carrying the title as well.

I hope the bad publicity means Capcom won't do this again.


Why does all the blame go to capcom? Nintendo A-ok'd this policy themselves by certifying the game. They knew what was going to happen and allowed it, its nintendos fault for not stopping this from happening, not capcom. Capcom is just one of the shitty pubs who are using tools they are allowed to use from nintendo (and sony).

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:44 PM

Several points: yes it's an arcade-type game, but who is going to want it when everything (level progression, weapons, skills trees) are completed. That's part of the fun. That hurts it's resale value. What happens if you play it but don't like it? Can't take it to gamestop, and who knows if goozex will.

Laying blame at nintendo's feet is just silly. Capcom made the game. End of story.

Now personally I didn't know about super monkey ball and it's situation. That stinks as well, and should have been made more public.

#53 dallow

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:46 PM

I'd rather not let Nintendo or any of the big three put restrictions on how people make their games.

Hopefully Capcom learns its lesson.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 06:52 PM

Apparently Gamestop won't take trade ins.
http://videogamewrit...naries-3d-14903

And Gamefly won't be carrying the title as well.

I hope the bad publicity means Capcom won't do this again.


I think more people will do this now, since they all see used game as a problem. Not having used copy available is a plus to them.

Also this seems to be more about GS making a statement, as they took games without the ability to erase save in the past

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#55 admiralvic

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:00 PM

I think more people will do this now, since they all see used game as a problem. Not having used copy available is a plus to them.

Also this seems to be more about GS making a statement, as they took games without the ability to erase save in the past


You should say as early as last week... since Super Monkey Ball 3ds has this.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:02 PM

Apparently Gamestop won't take trade ins.
http://videogamewrit...naries-3d-14903

And Gamefly won't be carrying the title as well.

I hope the bad publicity means Capcom won't do this again.


The game's already taking a beating on Amazon user reviews, probably not much longer until the reviews show up elsewhere.

I'm surprised GS even carried this. I'd think that they would make a stand and not carry something that can't be re-sold.

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#57 jza1218

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:11 PM

The game's already taking a beating on Amazon user reviews, probably not much longer until the reviews show up elsewhere.

I'm surprised GS even carried this. I'd think that they would make a stand and not carry something that can't be re-sold.


Probably didn't know in time to cancel their order.

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:14 PM

Why does all the blame go to capcom? Nintendo A-ok'd this policy themselves by certifying the game. They knew what was going to happen and allowed it, its nintendos fault for not stopping this from happening, not capcom. Capcom is just one of the shitty pubs who are using tools they are allowed to use from nintendo (and sony).


Seriously, I don't understand how anyone can look at it like this. Nintendo lets the developers do what they want to their games. If the developers want to implement something like this, so be it. Why should Nintendo, or Sony for that, not allow the developers complete control of their games? Yes Bionic Commando was pretty annoying, I won't buy it. It's as simple as that.
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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:44 PM

The game's already taking a beating on Amazon user reviews, probably not much longer until the reviews show up elsewhere.

I'm surprised GS even carried this. I'd think that they would make a stand and not carry something that can't be re-sold.


It's pretty sad. Now some guys three kids are going to miss out on this game.

Title says it all. I have 3 kids, I'm not going to buy one copy for each of them. Ridiculous.


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#60 dallow

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Posted 28 June 2011 - 07:50 PM

You should say as early as last week... since Super Monkey Ball 3ds has this.


Never knew this.
That's pretty shitty too. I can see how no one noticed though as it's not a high profile game at all.