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Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:54 PM

Cupp annoys the hell outta me. She sounds like some recent graduate from a conservative college. At least she's hotter than Ann Coulter I guess.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:48 AM

Cupp annoys the hell outta me. She sounds like some recent graduate from a conservative college. At least she's hotter than Ann Coulter I guess.

I wonder how soon before she gets on the same crazy train.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

Something about people using their first two initials kinda annoys me too. It's one thing for say,. T. S. Elliot, but come on folks. It's just comes off as a little pretentious to me.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

At least she's hotter than Ann Coulter I guess.

A girl like that is wild in bed.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

A girl like that is wild in bed.



Exactly. Cupp may be waaaaay hotter the Coulter.....but that chick has some shit pent up that I bet she lets out in bed. Either way, to steal a line from Nasum id Fuck either of them till I broke their legs! Then skip the blowjob to Andrew Sullivan, yeah dude rocks...but not enough for me to take a wang.

Edit - And I agree with the consensus that it was a pretty damn lame show with just talking points.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:16 PM

Hey stranger! Welcome back!

By no means is Cupp an ugly woman, but it just goes to show you how much a stylist can help you look. In this case, the "hot nerd" look.

As for the Sullivan-love talk, it wasn't that long ago that he was shilling for Republicans. Irony is now, he sounds like a goddamn Democrat, albeit a conservative one...not that I have a problem with this, but I'm starting to see how contrived this show is. I still enjoy seeing conservative talking points and lunacy shot down though.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

Hey stranger! Welcome back!

By no means is Cupp an ugly woman, but it just goes to show you how much a stylist can help you look. In this case, the "hot nerd" look.

As for the Sullivan-love talk, it wasn't that long ago that he was shilling for Republicans. Irony is now, he sounds like a goddamn Democrat, albeit a conservative one...not that I have a problem with this, but I'm starting to see how contrived this show is. I still enjoy seeing conservative talking points and lunacy shot down though.


Heh dont welcome me back yet. I dont think my blood pressure can handle coming back permanently to the politics board.

Thing with Sullivan is that I dont agree with everything he says, I dont even think I agree with most of it. But even though I still primarily see him as on the opposite side of the fence from me on many major issues, I can still respect what he has to say and how he says it.

Also just finished watching over time! You can sign me up for the "green" party. I was always for legalization because it just makes sense, however now that I got a vaporizer and started using the shit myself, I REALLY REALLY cant understand it being illegal. There are down sides and it can have some negative effects, but the positives to society far outweigh the negatives, especially if people start say Fuck combustion.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

I usually can't stand Cupp, but Andrew Sullivan's claims that Obama doesn't torture anyone is complete bullshit.

Edit* - As was Cupp's comparison of Bush's FP to Obama's.



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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:08 AM

Heh dont welcome me back yet. I dont think my blood pressure can handle coming back permanently to the politics board.

Yeah...it's not for everybody and you need thick skin cause that tends to be more important than brains and knowledge these days.

Thing with Sullivan is that I dont agree with everything he says, I dont even think I agree with most of it. But even though I still primarily see him as on the opposite side of the fence from me on many major issues, I can still respect what he has to say and how he says it.

I tend to like him more when he's not acting like a court jester. He had a point when he said that we elected a Republican president though.

Also just finished watching over time! You can sign me up for the "green" party. I was always for legalization because it just makes sense, however now that I got a vaporizer and started using the shit myself, I REALLY REALLY cant understand it being illegal. There are down sides and it can have some negative effects, but the positives to society far outweigh the negatives, especially if people start say Fuck combustion.

Haha...I'm in the "regulate it like booze and cigs" camp, but I never really liked using it. I hate the coughing fits, dry mouth, and overall "stoned" feeling. I love the munchies aspect of it though.:lol:

I think this is a good time to make the point about very powerful lobbies shaping legislation. You not only have the alcohol and tobacco lobbies fighting it, but you also have the private prison lobby with accompanying prison guard unions wanting to retain power, influence, and money.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:43 AM

Those darn unions!!!;-)

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:53 AM

Those darn unions!!!;-)

Unions are perfectly compatible with libertarianism. Or are corporations the only ones that can agree to bargain collectively and manipulate the market?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 03:56 AM

Not just the prison Lobbies and those representing prison guard unions, but Police Union lobbyists too. Not to mention Huge Pharmaceutical lobbies.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:01 AM

I was trying to be sarcastic. Sorry it flopped. I respect the right of unions to exist. I do dislike a lot of their strong arm tactics and the fact that they often kill the golden goose.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:11 AM

Yeah...it's not for everybody and you need thick skin cause that tends to be more important than brains and knowledge these days.

I tend to like him more when he's not acting like a court jester. He had a point when he said that we elected a Republican president though.

Haha...I'm in the "regulate it like booze and cigs" camp, but I never really liked using it. I hate the coughing fits, dry mouth, and overall "stoned" feeling. I love the munchies aspect of it though.:lol:

I think this is a good time to make the point about very powerful lobbies shaping legislation. You not only have the alcohol and tobacco lobbies fighting it, but you also have the private prison lobby with accompanying prison guard unions wanting to retain power, influence, and money.

They were talking about this recently on NPR, that the tobacco companies have plans in place for when/if pot becomes totally legal. They won't admit to it, but they'd be crazy not to.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:13 AM

I was trying to be sarcastic. Sorry it flopped. I respect the right of unions to exist. I do dislike a lot of their strong arm tactics and the fact that they often kill the golden goose.

Except that they don't and their effects are different depending on the industry.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:25 AM

Except that they don't and their effects are different depending on the industry.


Holy shit, I agree.



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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:36 AM

Unions pushing for 20-30 dollar wages for unskilled line work, no fire contracts that end up forcing management to pay that said 20-30 dollar wage to a non performing employee who now just sweeps up rather than being let go, labor laws that slow production because certain jobs are categorized in certain ways for specific workers, forced sign up into the union to be able to work in a certain region, etc. These tactics have lead to many plant closings and a piss poor educational system. The Ford plant near me closed, and many of the workers I talked to resented the union. They demanded too much and killed the plant aka golden goose.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:49 AM

Not to mention pushing up the price of goods and services, making any raise in wages completely meaningless.

This is why I laugh every time they want to raise minimum wage. The market always adjusts.



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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:55 AM

I'm still torn on the concept that the minimum wage is actually causing poverty by decreasing the amount of jobs for unskilled laborers, especially in the inner cities. It sucks that good intentions can often have bad results. Kind of like college tuitions sky rocketing in part due to governmental school loans...sigh.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:34 AM

Unions pushing for 20-30 dollar wages for unskilled line work, no fire contracts that end up forcing management to pay that said 20-30 dollar wage to a non performing employee who now just sweeps up rather than being let go, labor laws that slow production because certain jobs are categorized in certain ways for specific workers, forced sign up into the union to be able to work in a certain region, etc. These tactics have lead to many plant closings and a piss poor educational system. The Ford plant near me closed, and many of the workers I talked to resented the union. They demanded too much and killed the plant aka golden goose.

Wrong. Outsourcing our manufacturing base to developing countries is the primary factor if you're going to be using the labor cost argument. You could pay someone in Mexico for over a month on what you'd pay a union worker in a week.

And in case you haven't noticed, manufacturing and teachers unions have been making concessions for at least the last 20 years. The only unions that still have a chokehold that even come close to what you're imagining are police and firefighter unions. Nobody really fucks with them, luckily for you, but that's not for lack of want.

I'm still torn on the concept that the minimum wage is actually causing poverty by decreasing the amount of jobs for unskilled laborers, especially in the inner cities. It sucks that good intentions can often have bad results. Kind of like college tuitions sky rocketing in part due to governmental school loans...sigh.

Tuition has gone up because public funding has gone down and private loans have gone way up before the middleman was eliminated.

Not to mention pushing up the price of goods and services, making any raise in wages completely meaningless.

This is why I laugh every time they want to raise minimum wage. The market always adjusts.

There's a lot more to costs than just factoring wages and simple supply and demand. External forces like speculation has a much larger effect on costs than paying an extra quarter in minimum wage.

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Posted 27 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

Did anyone catch this week's episode?

I was watching it yesterday and something that Bill said about disability benefit rates in America.

First, shortly before he mentioned it, Bill was complaining about people on the right who spoke about topics before gathering information, specifically of Rand Paul and Glenn Beck; then he does practically the same thing himself by complaining about the current U.S. disability benefit rates and how the system must have some significant scamming because they're so much higher than 50 years ago.

Anyway, by complete coincidence, Paul Krugman brings out this article on his blog, which mentions a bit about disability rates and why so many more Americans qualify for disability benefits.

http://krugman.blogs...bled-deadbeats/

Here are a couple of quotes:

...a large part of the rise in the disability rolls reflects simple demographics, because aging baby boomers are a lot more likely to have real ailments than those same workers did when they were in their 20s and 30s...



And this from the CBO:

In 1984, lawmakers enacted the Disability Benefits Reform Act, which expanded the ways in which people could qualify for the DI program. That legislation, in addition to reversing several of the cost-containment measures enacted as part of the 1980 Social Security Disability Amendments, shifted the criteria for DI eligibility from a list of specific impairments to a more general consideration of a person’s medical condition and ability to work. The legislation allowed applicants to qualify for benefits on the basis of the combined effect of multiple medical conditions, each of which taken alone might not have met the criteria. It also allowed symptoms of mental illness and pain to be considered in assessing whether a person qualified for admission to the DI program, even in the absence of a clear-cut medical diagnosis.

Anyway, just thought that was interesting.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 02:10 AM

I just didn't think this last episode was that great in general, aside from the ending rant, I thought that was pretty good. I've noticed a trend lately where his most provocative guests always seem to just do the 1 on 1 interview, never the panel.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Did anyone catch this week's episode?

I was watching it yesterday and something that Bill said about disability benefit rates in America.

First, shortly before he mentioned it, Bill was complaining about people on the right who spoke about topics before gathering information, specifically of Rand Paul and Glenn Beck; then he does practically the same thing himself by complaining about the current U.S. disability benefit rates and how the system must have some significant scamming because they're so much higher than 50 years ago.

Anyway, by complete coincidence, Paul Krugman brings out this article on his blog, which mentions a bit about disability rates and why so many more Americans qualify for disability benefits.

http://krugman.blogs...bled-deadbeats/

Here are a couple of quotes:

And this from the CBO:

Anyway, just thought that was interesting.

Maher is a sharp witted individual, kinda have to be as a comedian at his level, but his knowledge of subjects only go so far unless he consults one of his writers, not to say that he's dumb or anything of course, but just that there are large gaps.

Personally, I thought the episode kinda dragged beyond the Dean smackdowns, but the best part of the episode for me was his tirade on how modern masculinity is based on superficial nonsense that mirrors "feminine" qualities that masculinists love to make fun of.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:07 AM

Should I post this? Ah, why not?

http://politicalwire...ape_remark.html

Also, Bill's initial public response:



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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

Donal Trump proves with every breathe that one can be a dumbass and still amass wealth.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

So did Palin really get dumped from Fox shortly after Jindal made that party of stupid comment? :lol:
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:35 AM

Donald Trump was on Stern this morning talking about the lawsuit. The second he came on I turned off the show. I think Chevy Chase was on after Donald, so I feel good about my decision to move along with the rest of my day.

He is a bigger famewhore than the fucking Kardashian's.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:19 AM

I really wish somebody would get a photo of him on a really windy day. I want to see that hair not perfectly combed (over).
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:27 AM

I really wish somebody would get a photo of him on a really windy day. I want to see that hair not perfectly combed (over).

There's already been a thorough analysis of his comb over. It's quite ingenious and disgusting at the same time as well as being quite time consuming that probably pays for the annual salary of a hair stylist.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

I just want a pic where that...thing... is blowing back and his bald head is exposed. Because frankly, Trump strikes me as someone who is incredibly vain and even with all the money he has, nature is winning the battle for his scalp. I just want to see the battlefield.
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