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#721 CaseyRyback

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:50 AM

Waaaa? Was this a real sentence? I read this like 3 times and have no clue what you just said.

Oh wait...just got what you said.

Dude....its the Clippers...we should be happy that they are even competing..what did you want them to do go from 20 straight losing season to NBA champions? They just got this roster and most of their key players have barely been in the league for 3 years. Let them grow a little bit.

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ESPN told me they were going to be the champs.

They have the talent to be an elite team, but they are the worst free throw shooting team I have ever seen. Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan should be in the gym shooting free throws for ten hours a day. In crunch time they aren't in the floor or they are scared of getting fouled so they don't touch the ball.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:27 AM

Lebron jumping over someone for the alley oop dunk will always be way more impressive to me than that fake ass dunk the media goes ape shit for regarding blake/perkins. Didn't know throwing the fucking ball into the hoop like a shot put is considered dunking now.

LOL Gasol

"You don't really see what happened," Gasol said. "It was quick, a hit and run kind of thing, right? The ball went in, I was on my a--, I woke up, I stood up and told the referee I had a f--ing forearm on my face, on my throat, and that's something that needs to be looked at. But it happened too quick. I didn't realize."

#723 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:01 PM

Wow, can you say awkward.

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In the latest twist to the Dwight Howard saga, his relationship with Orlando Magic coach Stan Van Gundy appears to have taken a major downturn and puts their ability to co-exist for the rest of this season in doubt.

After a report on Wednesday from a local TV station said Howard had asked Magic management to fire Van Gundy, the coach said after Thursday's morning shootaround that he knows that to be true.

The Magic play host to the New York Knicks tonight.

"I know he has," Van Gundy told reporters. "That's just the way it is. Again, I've been dealing with that all year. It's not anything real bothersome. You go out and do your job."

Howard walked up to Van Gundy and gave him a hug, not realizing the coach had just confirmed a report that Howard had previously denied.

"Why would I want Stan fired with 12 games to go?" said Howard, questioning the source of the information and not realizing it was Van Gundy.



#724 Soodmeg

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:23 PM

Pffft.

Dude people need to face facts...SVG sucks. He is not that great of a coach he doesnt do anything that is that much better than any other coach. Does he have a special offense that only he can run like Mikey D or Phil Jackson? Nope....chuck 3s all game. Does he preach defense superiority like Tibbs? Maybe a run and gun style like Brooks or Erik Spols?

Nope. He is the most mediocre coach in the history of professional basketball. He has the most dominate center and he doesnt even run plays for the guy.

He is super average at everything...so the choice between Howard and SVG should be easy...pick Howard. You can get almost any other coach to do what SVG has done with the team. Isnt Avery Johnson still available?

#725 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 05:40 PM

I don't like SVG either, but don't like players suggesting coach firings either. They should just leave if not happy.

And part of SVG's problem is he run's too many plays for Dwight. He treats Dwight like Shaq when he's never going to have that kind of offensive game. He'll always be a low 20 pt a game scorer as he just doesn't have the skills or shooting ability to do more than that.

Yet most of the offense is isolate Dwight, dump in them the ball, have him try to get a dunk or hook shot (drawing fouls is bad since he's awful from the line), and if that's not there kick out for threes. Mix in a few pick and rolls with Dwight and Nelson or Turkoglu and that's pretty much the whole offense.

The problem is not running plays for other options, like running screens to get shooters open, or to letting people like Richardson (and Carter/Pietrus before him) slash and attack the basket etc.

And Avery Johnson coaches the Nets.

#726 Soodmeg

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:08 PM

Avery Johnson still coaches the nets? Man, I thought he got let go a while back.

Anyway, yeah dude I usually any big ticket game but I cant stand watching Orlando....blargh. Their game is just unappealing in every way.

Speaking of Shaq he recently said of superman (he called him that which was surprising) that he would tell Howard the same thing that Kareem and Russell told him..."You got to do more big fella" and this was when Shaq was an easy 25-10 guy. Although Ewing is right there I think SVG has done Howard a huge disservice and developing his game. Howard should be getting 30-15 every game at the least.

Piggy backing on the previous topic I think a lot of "bust" like player are a result of shitty coaching. He will never get any better because no one focused on training this offensive game when he started.

#727 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:15 PM

Meh, I disagree with that. Ewing has worked with Howard extensively for years now. He's just not that skilled a player on offense. He's just big and athletic as hell, but just doesn't have the skill set to be versatile on offense like Ewing (could hit the jumper), Shaq (baby hook, and was much heavier and could muscle in for dunks more than Howard can), or Kareem/Hakeem with their repertoire of post moves.

Howard has improved and added a semi-effective hook shot etc., so he has made progress. He's just never going to be a true first option on offense center. He can score when he's got position on the block, and on put back. But he's not a guy you can toss the ball to and have him create something for himself on the post or wing or baseline like the truly great offensive centers in league history.

He needs a system where the offense goes outside in, rather than inside out. So he can just dominate on defense like always, and get points in the flow of the game as he gets more Iso's and offensive rebounds when teams can't double him all the time due to perimeter shooters and slashers being a threat.

#728 Soodmeg

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

But that is what I am saying, Howard isnt going to be an all star just on his offensive skill set but you can get much more production by changing the system you are running.

Just like Mikey D SVG has refused to come up with a system that fits the players he has but instead is forcing them into what he thinks will work...we I think has stunted his offensive growth.

Patrice and games are so totally different in order for it to stick you are going to have to continuous use it in a game not just in the gym. He is never going to feel comfortable shooting a mid range j if its considered completely out of the system. Its the same with someone like Adam Morrison...who was a hilarious bust in the NBA but in the summer league would drop 40. I dont believe Howard cant hit mid range jumpers I think its just completely out of the system so he doesnt even think about it.Although I agree he will never get a ton of post moves but he should be much further along then he is now.

Its the same for Blake Griffin.....2 years in and he is still doing the exact same things (actually his rebounding has fallen off somehow) because their coach just shrugs and lets them.There needs to be more coaches like Tibbs who somehow convinces people who are not known for hardnose defense to be defensive monsters.

#729 bigdaddybruce44

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:04 PM

He is super average at everything...so the choice between Howard and SVG should be easy...pick Howard.


I don't like SVG either, but don't like players suggesting coach firings either. They should just leave if not happy.


I gotta agree. SVG isn't special, but what happens when they do actually get a good coach, and Howard still cries? If you start letting him make decisions now, it will never end.

Meh, I disagree with that. Ewing has worked with Howard extensively for years now. He's just not that skilled a player on offense. He's just big and athletic as hell, but just doesn't have the skill set to be versatile on offense like Ewing (could hit the jumper), Shaq (baby hook, and was much heavier and could muscle in for dunks more than Howard can), or Kareem/Hakeem with their repertoire of post moves.


Totally agree with this, as well. Howard is a physical specimen, but it's clear now that no amount of work is going to turn him into a dominant scorer. His skill set simply doesn't allow it.

#730 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 08:08 PM

My point was you aren't going to get more production out of Howard regardless of system. He's going to average in the low 20s.

The problem with SVG's system is it cuts down on production from the guards as he's running an inside out offense like he has Shaq or Hakeem or Duncan in the post.

Dwight can still get his 20 and 12 with less plays ran for him and more getting dishes of penetration and scoring on offensive rebounds, along with getting more ISO touches as teams have to focus more on stopping guards from driving.

So I don't think Dwight's offensive growth has been stunted at all. If anything it's been aided as he probably wouldn't have developed the hook he has now if he'd always been in the system I'm outlining. But that just hasn't upped his scoring enough to justify him being the central focus on offense. He just doesn't have the offensive skill set to be the first option. And it's frustrating that SVG hasn't changed the system accordingly and done more to get shots and drives for the perimeter talent they've had over recent years.

#731 lordopus99

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 09:01 PM

While I agree with Howard wanting Van Gundy out... it really is not his place to say anything. Do your job, let SVG do his, and if Management want to truly step up remove SVG, let them.

Like Dmaul stated, the problem is the guard play is lacking. None of them truly make a "play". JRich should be slashing, which he isn't. Anderson should be posting up as well, which he isn't. Instead you find these two hawking the 3pt line. Screens are a past time in Orlando. This is why this team can't get over the hump. I don't buy the "no talent" deal. I blame the system.

To Howard: His main problem offensively is he is playing like he is in the 80s/90s i.e. using his elbows too much when gaining position. He is bigger and stronger than anyone that guards him. One-on-one people can't stop his spin move (the main move). Instead, they get him to foul them.
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That Pau quote is classic. I saw those "dunks" on Sportscenters. I am not a laker fan... Blake gets away with alot when he does those "dunks"... I am referencing this to other games as well.

#732 dmaul1114

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:40 PM

It's definitely the system. Players like Richardson, Pietrus and others who've been here slashed a ton more on their prior (and subsequent) teams.

The system is just focuses on dumping into Howard and kick outs for threes. No slashers, screens for shooters (other than when needing a 3 late) etc.

#733 Soodmeg

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 11:54 PM

EDIT: This is based on what I heard....and that SVG brought it up first.


Why would SVG, even bring this up? What agenda does he have? There is less than 20 games in the season and they are going to the playoffs why the Fuck would he bring this up?

If this was a player he would be getting murdered by talking heads about being a distraction about not being a team player blah blah blah But because its a coach people seem to be just questioning it.....thats crap. These talking heads should be killing him non stop.....

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:59 AM

If Orlando doesn't shed salary to seriously go after Williams, Dwight is as good as gone. 5 losses in a row and now went from 3rd to 5th lmao gg

#735 CaseyRyback

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:12 AM

EDIT: This is based on what I heard....and that SVG brought it up first.


Why would SVG, even bring this up? What agenda does he have? There is less than 20 games in the season and they are going to the playoffs why the Fuck would he bring this up?

If this was a player he would be getting murdered by talking heads about being a distraction about not being a team player blah blah blah But because its a coach people seem to be just questioning it.....thats crap. These talking heads should be killing him non stop.....


He towed the company line once when Shaq did this to him, and he wasn't putting up with that shit again.

I don't really have a problem with SVG. He has been given a broken roster since he has been there as he has one of the five worst GM's above him.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:14 AM

Why would SVG do it? SVG sees the writing on the wall. He knows the team is not gonna get anywhere in the playoffs and he's gonna get the blame. So he might as well just throw it out there and hope people see Dwight Howard for the phony that he is. Or maybe expose the whole organization for being douchebags.

That might be what SVG is thinking. Tired of covering and pretending Howard didn't ask for his dismissal.

I like Howard. Maybe Doug Collins can turn him around.

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#737 CaseyRyback

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:21 AM

Why would SVG do it? SVG sees the writing on the wall. He knows the team is not gonna get anywhere in the playoffs and he's gonna get the blame. So he might as well just throw it out there and hope people see Dwight Howard for the phony that he is. Or maybe expose the whole organization for being douchebags.

That might be what SVG is thinking. Tired of covering and pretending Howard didn't ask for his dismissal.

I like Howard. Maybe Doug Collins can turn him around.


Nate Macmillan would be a great coach for ORL to look at in the offseason. Crawford and Felton running him out of Portland was ridiculous.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

Nate Macmillan would be a great coach for ORL to look at in the offseason. Crawford and Felton running him out of Portland was ridiculous.


Nate is good coach and an even better person but I don't think he's the answer. He'll have the same issues SVG had. In order to appease Howard you have to run the offense through him and that's not Nate's MO.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:58 PM

5 losses in a row and now went from 3rd to 5th lmao gg

It actually is doing wonders. As we lose, we are getting further away from playing Atlanta in the playoffs; the one team that has been known to beat us regularly. According to standings, we show up as #6 (not sure why since Boston is more games back but whatever I like it). This currently puts us against Indiana, a team we have done well against this season.

Why would SVG, even bring this up? What agenda does he have? There is less than 20 games in the season and they are going to the playoffs why the would he bring this up?

He is tired of the BS. He was run out by players in Miami. I don't blame him for reacting the way he did. Does it hurt the team? Absolutely. Does it hurt his chances finding a new team if let go? Absolutely.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 04:11 AM

Boston gets a top 4 seed because they're leading the Atlantic. Division winners get home court in the first round.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 04:31 AM

D cousins too funny:

"I guess the wind from my hand hit him in the eye and I guess he got fouled by the wind," Cousins said. "I'm not sure." (Blake Griffin)

#742 dmaul1114

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 06:01 PM

Magic won in Philly last night to end their losing skid. Going to be a tough finish with the Howard vs. Stan distractions and Anderson and Hedo out with injuries.

#743 Soodmeg

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

Hey guys.....Knicks come through with Melo shooting the game winner? Knicks are still winning without Lin and STAT at all.

Most be an illusion.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 06:19 PM

Lamar Odom and the Mavs have finally decided to part ways. Dallas is apparently going to keep him on the inactive list for the rest of the season, though.

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#745 Soodmeg

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 06:26 PM

Lamar Odom and the Mavs have finally decided to part ways. Dallas is apparently going to keep him on the inactive list for the rest of the season, though.


Wow, I havent really been following Dallas but what the hell is going on there? He cant be that bad to not even play the guy.

#746 kill3r7

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:40 PM

Wow, I havent really been following Dallas but what the hell is going on there? He cant be that bad to not even play the guy.


He's been worse. Dallas has given him a ton of opportunities and Odom has shat the bed every time. Odom has been Adam Dunn bad. So no surprise there.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:43 PM

He's been worse. Dallas has given him a ton of opportunities and Odom has shat the bed every time. Odom has been Adam Dunn bad. So no surprise there.

The split was definitely coming. What's interesting is that they aren't just releasing him. Seems like they want to hold on to him as a potential trade chip for the off-season.

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#748 dmaul1114

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:30 AM

Wow, Magic beat Detroit by 30 even without Howard and Turkoglu. Anderson was back though, which is good as I thought his ankle was going to keep him out longer than this.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 02:32 AM

I'm hoping the Sixers drop the rest of their games. What's the point of a 7 or 8 seed? This isn't the NHL.

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Posted 10 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

The split was definitely coming. What's interesting is that they aren't just releasing him. Seems like they want to hold on to him as a potential trade chip for the off-season.


Yup. And he couldn't join with another team anyway, so he had no reason to push for the release, so it makes sense.