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#4171 TimboSliceGB

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

So you basically played the first level and it was easy? What a shock!

im talking about level selection they have 3 selections very easy easy and normal yet another game dumb down for kids 



#4172 TimboSliceGB

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:30 PM

You know, that post basically sums it up, doesn't it?

 

The Wii U has no games being released = complain.

The Wii U starts to release games = complain.
 

 

Anyway, with the exception of having MANY characters on screen, Pikmin and W101 don't play similarly at all. That said, I was underwhelmed by the demo the first time I played it, but I think that's because there's just SO MUCH going on that the game doesn't really explain. Once I played again it sort of... clicked. Can't wait 'til release. To me, this is an example of a game that wouldn't exist on a non-Nintendo system, and I'm sort of grateful for that. I ended up having a hell of a lot of fun with it.

at this point i don't have issues with wii u no games and the not so great coming out for it. I just hate that nintendo was up and up about all the great 3rd party support this system would have and now companys are starting to take out features of games for som reason we might never know. Nintendo needs to get off their high horse thinking they are the best and realize they need to put some money down on the table to 3rd party game makers like ms and sony does and get better 3rd party support. Lets get some of these big companys to put exlusive stuff on the wii u like dlc and what not. The next game i will be buying for wii u will be smash bro and who knows when thats coming out. The zelda remake is nice but i will not pay 50 bucks for a remake of a game when i still have the game for gamecube and enjoy that still.



#4173 Blaster man

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:29 AM

It's looking like no price cut is coming for the Wii U this Christmas.  There was recently a news article stating that Nintendo is still losing money on Wii U's and now there's this:

http://www.nintendol...ce_cut_benefits

 

WTF?  People aren't buying the Basic because the only people buying it at all are core Nintendo gamers that are educated and are not price sensitive with Nintendo hardware.  So my predictions of a price cut this holiday look to be wrong.  They're seriously going to pit the $350 Wii U against the $400 PS4 and PS360's with probable price drops.

 

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#4174 Deader2818

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:40 AM

Who the hell is dreader?


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#4175 Blaster man

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:55 AM

Who the hell is dreader?

oh DEADER, that's what I meant! :rofl:



#4176 MetalSlugger

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:31 AM

They won't cut the price but you can bet your ass that they'll replace the current Deluxe bundle and pack in more add-ons.  My money's on Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land and maybe a Pro controller.


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#4177 Blaster man

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:07 AM

They won't cut the price but you can bet your ass that they'll replace the current Deluxe bundle and pack in more add-ons.  My money's on Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land and maybe a Pro controller.


Eventually maybe. I'm not especially confident that it will happen this year though. I just can't see Nintendo putting their new games into a bundle without raising the bundle price.

#4178 DNukem170

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:37 AM

Wind Waker won't be in a bundle. Mario Bros. U and maybe a Lego game could be.

#4179 io

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:52 AM

I still think from a retail perception angle it is wrong to keep the same price and bundle more stuff in.  People will still see it as $350 vs. $400 (Wii U vs. PS4) even if they threw the entire Wii U library in to the bundle.  It is all about first impressions and low information buyers.  They really need to dump the Basic and make the Deluxe $300.  I never saw the need for a $100 price cut like so many others (Wombat is being pretty annoying about it on the CAGcast and Twitter - c'mon Wombat, obviously you want the system - just buy the damn thing! ;)).  But for sure I thought they'd replace the Basic with the Deluxe at the $300 price point.  That compared very favorably to PS4/One given that it is $100-$200 cheaper and comes with a game (and no need for PS+/Xbox Live Gold).



#4180 Josh5890

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 04:15 AM

They won't cut the price but you can bet your ass that they'll replace the current Deluxe bundle and pack in more add-ons.  My money's on Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land and maybe a Pro controller.

 

I think bundling a Wii-U with a pro controller could be confusing for the casual audience. I don't see bundling two different controllers with the system smart. They are better off bundling Nintendoland with either Mario Bros U or e-shop credit.


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#4181 TimboSliceGB

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 06:08 AM

i could very well see a drop of white version and drop price of current black system to 300 then come out with bundle with games and possible bigger hard drive for 350. I go back to the giant walmart canada sale couple weeks ago for still thinking the white system is good but gone.



#4182 MetalSlugger

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 02:26 PM

NSMBU would be a good choice too.  I'm still going with WWHD since they have a history of including Zelda remasters in system bundles.  Plus a brand new release would be much more enticing for a potential buyer than a (admittedly wonderful) game that has been available since launch.


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#4183 Corvin

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 11:35 PM

Gold console with Zelda remake, $300.  It would fly off shelves.



#4184 SweetP1983

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 03:53 AM

Picked up a new 8GB Wii U from eBay for $245. Originally went with the Deluxe at Best Buy when they had the $50 GC deal but figured I'd use the savings on a external HD and a better game.
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Posted 17 August 2013 - 06:49 AM

Picked up a new 8GB Wii U from eBay for $245. Originally went with the Deluxe at Best Buy when they had the $50 GC deal but figured I'd use the savings on a external HD and a better game.

 

If you can find Nintendoland cheap, I would still recommend it.  It is nice to have a party game around just to mess around with.



#4186 Zmonkay

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 10:51 AM

Oh man, that W101 demo is a blast!  I had no idea what the hell I was doing, but I was smiling the entire time.  Of course I played it after the Newegg promo ran out, so now I'm debating preordering at full price, or waiting for a future drop...


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#4187 heatfan1121

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 04:01 PM

Oh man, that W101 demo is a blast!  I had no idea what the hell I was doing, but I was smiling the entire time.  Of course I played it after the Newegg promo ran out, so now I'm debating preordering at full price, or waiting for a future drop...

Amazon has a $5 of $25 on all orders including pre-orders. If you can get this game to show up in your gold box deals, then you can get the game for $52. 



#4188 ivana89

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 07:06 AM

hey CAGs,

 

sorry for the noob question (i've scanned +10pgs of threads in the 'wii u, wii, ...' forum, but don't wanna scan the +140pgs of posts in this one):

 

will 'wii u' games play on a wii? will just the non-touchpad content be missing, or will none of the game work at all? 'wii u' games look very tempting, but i dunno if i'm ready to buy another console right now. TIA.



#4189 DNukem170

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

No, you cannot play any WiiU game on a Wii. Despite the similar name, WiiU is a completely different console.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 06:35 PM

Similar question: Is there a list of Wii titles that WON'T play on Wii U?


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#4191 foltzie

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 10:46 PM

Similar question: Is there a list of Wii titles that WON'T play on Wii U?

 

Actually there is, but it was released by Nintendo on the Wii support site to document games that wont work with the newer Wii units that lack Gamecube ports.

 

http://www.nintendo....a/gi_system.jsp

 

 

The system does not support Wii titles or accessories that require the use of the Nintendo GameCube controller ports. Because they require Nintendo GameCube controller ports to work, the following Wii titles are not compatible with model RVL-101:

Active Life: Explorer
Active Life: Extreme Challenge
Active Life: Magical Carnival
Active Life: Outdoor Challenge
Ultimate Party Challenge

 

The following titles will have limited functionality when used with model RVL-101:

Dance Dance Revolution
DanceDanceRevolution II
Dance Dance Revolution: Disney Grooves
DanceDanceRevolution Hottest Party
DanceDanceRevolution Hottest Party 2
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#4192 MetalSlugger

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 02:02 AM

Wind Waker won't be in a bundle. Mario Bros. U and maybe a Lego game could be.

 

 

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#4193 TimboSliceGB

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:30 PM

would be sweet if that means a price drop on the nintendoland bundle 



#4194 io

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 08:18 AM

would be sweet if that means a price drop on the nintendoland bundle 

 

Not necessarily - I would assume the WW one wouldn't have NintendoLand so it would just be swapping the games out.  Having said that, I can't see anyone not choosing the Zelda-themed one, especially if it has a unique color.  So in that sense it might make sense to drop the NintendoLand bundle $25 or something.  But Nintendo doesn't seem to do that sort of thing so we'll have to wait and see.

 

So do the "doom and gloom" crowd think this bundle will do anything for sales?  I'm not sure it will be a success with the masses but I have a feeling a lot of Nintendo fans who have been on the fence will pick up the Zelda bundle if the console itself is unique in some way.  That could provide a small surge for Nintendo in the face of the PS4/X1 launches.



#4195 Richard Kain

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

I honestly don't think there is actually a problem with Nintendo's current state. They are in a transition period, but their current position isn't nearly as precarious as most people seem to think.

 

Selling massive quantities of the Wii U right now would not actually be to Nintendo's advantage. The production costs for the system have not lowered to the point where Nintendo can sell it for a profit. Nintendo's strategy has always involved selling its hardware for a profit. It wouldn't surprise me if they are holding off on spending a lot on Wii U marketing until the production costs have dropped to that point. I don't think they want to start selling the Wii U in massive quantities until they can do so without accruing a massive loss.

 

Microsoft and Sony took huge losses on their hardware from the previous cycle, and are only just now starting to balance things out through software licensing. It took them the better part of six years to make up for their initial hardware losses. Nintendo sold the original Wii for a profit from day one, and are sitting on a mountain of cash reserves even now.

 

And at the end of the day, Nintendo has never needed 3rd-party support to the same degree that its competitors has. They weren't forced to lean on 3rd parties for the Wii, and can handle the Wii U well enough without sweeping 3rd party support as well.



#4196 Blaster man

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

So do the "doom and gloom" crowd think this bundle will do anything for sales?  I'm not sure it will be a success with the masses but I have a feeling a lot of Nintendo fans who have been on the fence will pick up the Zelda bundle if the console itself is unique in some way.  That could provide a small surge for Nintendo in the face of the PS4/X1 launches.

I guess I'm somewhere near the top of the "Doom and Gloom" crowd list?  Here's my answer: I don't know but probably not a lot.  Here's my thinking, most people that want a Wii U at it's current price already bought one.  Some people are waiting for specific games.  Those folks that are waiting for Zelda will come and buy this console and be happy as hell that don't don't have to buy the Nintendoland bundle AND a Zelda game.  I already played Wind Waker when I had a GameCube so the game hold little to no value for me.  I wonder how many people that already played the game will buy the remake of it? 

 

So yeah there's going to be a bump in sales when this comes out but will it be bigger than if this special console wasn't out and if so how much?  Those we won't be able to answer.  My guess is that the sales aren't going to bump as much as they're hoping for.

 

I honestly don't think there is actually a problem with Nintendo's current state. They are in a transition period, but their current position isn't nearly as precarious as most people seem to think.

 

Selling massive quantities of the Wii U right now would not actually be to Nintendo's advantage. The production costs for the system have not lowered to the point where Nintendo can sell it for a profit. Nintendo's strategy has always involved selling its hardware for a profit. It wouldn't surprise me if they are holding off on spending a lot on Wii U marketing until the production costs have dropped to that point. I don't think they want to start selling the Wii U in massive quantities until they can do so without accruing a massive loss.

 

Microsoft and Sony took huge losses on their hardware from the previous cycle, and are only just now starting to balance things out through software licensing. It took them the better part of six years to make up for their initial hardware losses. Nintendo sold the original Wii for a profit from day one, and are sitting on a mountain of cash reserves even now.

 

And at the end of the day, Nintendo has never needed 3rd-party support to the same degree that its competitors has. They weren't forced to lean on 3rd parties for the Wii, and can handle the Wii U well enough without sweeping 3rd party support as well.

Alright, I have issues with several things here so I'll take them one at a time:

 

I honestly don't think there is actually a problem with Nintendo's current state. They are in a transition period, but their current position isn't nearly as precarious as most people seem to think.

- Alright for this, no one thinks Nintendo is in a precarious state...in fact I haven't seen a single person so much as suggest that.  It's the Wii U that's in the precarious state.  Nintendo won't fail if the Wii U fails but that shouldn't be what matters.  What should matter to gamers is if they bought a Wii U and it's support is aborted abruptly. 

 

 

I don't think they want to start selling the Wii U in massive quantities until they can do so without accruing a massive loss.

- Nintendo is a business and they are there to make money.  They never would have sold the Wii U at a loss if they didn't think they could make that up.  With console sales in the toilet, they won't be able to sell enough software to break even for the console losses as well as cover the cost of development.  Keep in mind that development has a high break even cost in the HD era.  If you can only sell say 500,000 or 1,000,000 copies of Zelda for instance, you might not even break even on the game - let alone the hardware.

 

 

Nintendo sold the original Wii for a profit from day one, and are sitting on a mountain of cash reserves even now.

- I'm not quite sure what the point is here.  MS is sitting on WAYYYYY more money than Nintendo.  Sony isn't in great shape but they have a decent amount of cash none-the-less.

In fact, I just went back and checked the up to date info, Nintendo has 11 billion cash on hand while Microsoft has 76 billion.

 

 

And at the end of the day, Nintendo has never needed 3rd-party support to the same degree that its competitors has. They weren't forced to lean on 3rd parties for the Wii, and can handle the Wii U well enough without sweeping 3rd party support as well.

- I don't know about this.  I used to own an N64 and not a PS1.  In those "dark days" there were a shitload of games I wanted to play including many JRPG's that never showed up on the N64 (in fact, only one shitty JRPG showed up "Quest 64" and it wasn't even Japanese it was THQ made).  I'm sure PLENTY of Nintendo fans want to play 3rd party games.  In this day and age, there's a reason why Nintendo is losing so much of it's fanbase and that's because many adults want to play their 3rd party games so they buy the consoles that do that and then their kids play games on those consoles also.  Most "normal" people don't buy a shit ton of consoles like we do.



#4197 Richard Kain

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:13 PM

I don't know about this.  I used to own an N64 and not a PS1.  In those "dark days" there were a shitload of games I wanted to play including many JRPG's that never showed up on the N64 (in fact, only one shitty JRPG showed up "Quest 64" and it wasn't even Japanese it was THQ made).  I'm sure PLENTY of Nintendo fans want to play 3rd party games.  In this day and age, there's a reason why Nintendo is losing so much of it's fanbase and that's because many adults want to play their 3rd party games so they buy the consoles that do that and then their kids play games on those consoles also.  Most "normal" people don't buy a shit ton of consoles like we do.

 

Yeeesh. You really need to learn the quote tools, that post is a hot mess, structurally.

 

You are right about the general consumer. There is no way Nintendo is going to replicate the success of the Wii with their current approach. But it is important to remember that Nintendo survived the "dark days" you mention, and they did it while turning a tidy profit. The current situation is far from ideal from a consumer perspective. It WOULD be a lot better if you could get plenty of high-quality 3rd-party developed titles on Nintendo consoles, in addition to their 1st-party titles.

 

The point is that Nintendo doesn't need that 3rd party licensing to survive. Microsoft and Sony have other divisions to lean back on when their games business is flagging. Nintendo has merchandising they can utilize, but it only works so long as their brands are strong and popular. Nintendo's core business is games, and they can't employ a strategy of throwing money at their hardware until it succeeds. If there's one lesson to be learned from the original Wii, it's that even an enormous install base is not enough to convince 3rd party developers to support Nintendo hardware. 3rd party support for the Wii was tepid, despite the 100 million install base and stellar marketing that Nintendo put in place for the system. Even if Nintendo cut the price on the Wii U now and took a larger loss on the hardware, there is no guarantee that a larger install base would actually draw more 3rd party developers.

 

So for the time being, it looks like Nintendo might be content to let Sony and Microsoft have the next year or so, and hold back on really pushing the Wii U until it is more affordable to do so. In the interim they can easily lean on their safe-bet 1st-party titles to keep the system from disappearing. But the Wii U won't start shifting real unit numbers until it has a major price drop.



#4198 Billytwoshoes

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:25 PM

Not necessarily - I would assume the WW one wouldn't have NintendoLand so it would just be swapping the games out.

Actually I read that the WW bundle may still include a download code for NintendoLand (or pre-installed), so retailers are going to have to make selling the standard bundle more attractive.  Or maybe the WW bundle will end up costing more than the projected $349, which would be a bad move...

 

 

What should matter to gamers is if they bought a Wii U and it's support is aborted abruptly. 

Are we talking 3rd party or are you saying dropping support all together?  I actually like reading your devil's advocate counterpoint posts, but if you are saying that Nintendo will stop short on supporting their own console (presumably to launch another console), that is pretty ludicrous.  At worst case scenario the Wii U will be another N64, but as Richard pointed out, even that console was still a profitable venture, despite its alienating cartridge format (which was one of the main reasons it lost so much 3rd party support).

 

If they cut any support for the Wii U prematurely it will severely hurt their IP branding and would cause much more harm than good.  As I've said elsewhere, Nintendo is more than likely content with a profitable 3rd place position, and the console's strength will come in time along with its reliable 1st party efforts.



#4199 Blaster man

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:12 PM

I honestly don't think there is actually a problem with Nintendo's current state. They are in a transition period, but their current position isn't nearly as precarious as most people seem to think.

Are we talking 3rd party or are you saying dropping support all together? I actually like reading your devil's advocate counterpoint posts, but if you are saying that Nintendo will stop short on supporting their own console (presumably to launch another console), that is pretty ludicrous. At worst case scenario the Wii U will be another N64, but as Richard pointed out, even that console was still a profitable venture, despite its alienating cartridge format (which was one of the main reasons it lost so much 3rd party support).

If they cut any support for the Wii U prematurely it will severely hurt their IP branding and would cause much more harm than good. As I've said elsewhere, Nintendo is more than likely content with a profitable 3rd place position, and the console's strength will come in time along with its reliable 1st party efforts.


Alright so here's the thing, read the first quoted post above this, he's talking about the precarious state people think Nintendo is in. So in that context, I was replying that no one thinks that they're in a precarious state and that no one should be worried about Nintendo going under or anything like that. The only thing in a precarious state is the Wii U so if people were to worry it would be regarding Wii U sales being so low Nintendo gives up support of the platform.

I'm by no means suggesting that it would happen and I think they'd make a go at supporting the console for at least a few years even if it was really unprofitable that entire time but I don't think they would support it nearly as long as they did the original Wii if it was extremely unprofitable. Nintendo really cut back support on the Wii the last year or two and that's probably what would happen if they were giving up on the Wii U. They'd still put stuff out but it wouldn't be in rapid fire succession though admittidly that isn't even happening now.

Nintendo seems to have a rather stuburn corporate culture and I don't think they'd easily abandon the Wii U. As an example, they'd never do what MS has done the last few weeks. That said, do you think that they would support the Wii U for 5, 6, or 7 years if their console is unprofitable to sell and the games they're selling don't sell enough to break even on development cost? My guess is they'd replace it after 4 years.

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Side note, most developers need to sell 2 million copies of a game to break even these days. Now with Nintendo it would be lower because they don't have to pay anyone else the $10 console licensing fee which is roughly 17%. If we round up to make the math easy to 20%, that means that Nintendo would need to sell about 1.6 million copies of a game to break even. That's almost half the current install base so they'd need 1 out of every 2 Wii U owners to buy any given game just to break even - not even turn a profit.

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BTW I didn't pull that 4 years out of my ass either. Imagine if the Wii U and its software are both unprofitable for 4 years or maybe the software is just eking out a profit at that point. I can see them looking at the original Xbox and the fact that no one held that against MS and use that point as the exit. That would be the earliest conceivable exit strategy for them outside of newanagement taking over the company.

#4200 Blaster man

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 07:24 PM

If Nintendo wanted to do a really in-Nintendo and unconventional thing, they could put out an SD version of first party titles for the Wii and have a Wii U copy packed in with a big explanation of how much better that version is. That would help sell more copies as well as promote interest in the Wii U which they are inadvertently buying a copy for also. Disney is doing that kind of strategy with Blu Ray and its working. Nintendo would probably be too worried people would sell the extra disk or something and people do break up the Disney sets and sell the DVD's by themselves but I don't think it's that common for the number of people actually buying the movies.