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#1621 Yars

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:03 PM

I have to say for all the praise Nintendoland has gotten as being "the best launch game" it's easily my least favorite. I really don't like playing games that focus almost completely on the GamePad. I didn't buy a home console and 55" HDTV to play on a 480p poor contrast ratio screen in my controller. It's like why even have the TV on at that point? I much prefer ZombiU and NSMBU. ...


It seems like the primary focus of NintendoLand is to show people what their new system and gamepad are capable of. ZombiU is a little too violent for a pack-in game and NSMBU is a strong enough title that Nintendo can easily get away with selling it for an additional $60.

#1622 AdvOfJet

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:22 PM

My console just did this while playing the F-Zero game. A few seconds before I had hit the "camera" button on the touch screen. Had to pull the power cord to shut it down. :/


Same here. You can't even shut down the system you actually have to pull the plug from the wall to reboot the machine. Seriously thinking about taking mine back if Nintendo does not acknowledge the issue soon and at least say they are working on a resolution.

Doesn't seem like an overly common problems but there are definitely enough people experiencing it that they should at least say if its something that can be addressed with an update or if it should be returned/sent in for repairs.
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#1623 token2k6

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:38 PM

I won't be opening my Wii U until Christmas, but I'm trying to study up..have you guys already discussed transferring Wii content to the Wii U? I have watched a few videos and read a few articles. My only thoughts are: I have a majority of WiiWare stuff on the SD card already in the Wii, should I transfer all this back to the console and essentially have a blank SD card? also, the Wii is upstairs, and Wii U will be downstairs, it doesn't look like they have to be next to each other, just both be on the internet..is this true? I don't mind running back and forth a few times..

thanks for the advice, I had to tuck the box in a storage bin in my guest room and shut the door so I don't think about it! I wanted to plug it up to at least test it and box it back up, but got denied by the 'boss of the house'!

edit: this also great that you can do this b/c my launch day Wii has $500 worth of WiiWare on it, but a bum disc drive that crashes every game after 30 mins of play time. Its been a paperweight, and been using a second system I got from my father. Nice to know that some of the original stuff can be salvaged :-)
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#1624 maximumzero

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

I won't be opening my Wii U until Christmas, but I'm trying to study up..have you guys already discussed transferring Wii content to the Wii U? I have watched a few videos and read a few articles. My only thoughts are: I have a majority of WiiWare stuff on the SD card already in the Wii, should I transfer all this back to the console and essentially have a blank SD card? also, the Wii is upstairs, and Wii U will be downstairs, it doesn't look like they have to be next to each other, just both be on the internet..is this true? I don't mind running back and forth a few times..

thanks for the advice, I had to tuck the box in a storage bin in my guest room and shut the door so I don't think about it! I wanted to plug it up to at least test it and box it back up, but got denied by the 'boss of the house'!

edit: this also great that you can do this b/c my launch day Wii has $500 worth of WiiWare on it, but a bum disc drive that crashes every game after 30 mins of play time. Its been a paperweight, and been using a second system I got from my father. Nice to know that some of the original stuff can be salvaged :-)


You won't have to run back and forth, you just prep the SD card on the Wii U, move it over to the Wii, and then once the data has been dumped to the card you walk back to the Wii U and put the card in there and it transfers the data.

#1625 yokofox33

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

Anybody have some good suggestions for external storage? I'm not looking for a giant 1TB HDD or anything like that, but something much smaller. Will a regular old USB Stick work? I don't have a ton of space for a HDD drive, so I was just looking at a USB stick to have plugged in at all times. Thanks.

#1626 drktrpr1

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

I gotta say, now that the MiiVerse is open, it's really entertaining to see the comments and drawings peope are making. I spent an hour last night just browsing the different communities!
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#1627 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

They don't recommend flash drives because of "flash media having a limited number of writes", but I don't think they actually stop you from using them. I find their concern about the "limited writes" sort of odd, though, seeing how the internal storage is flash. ???

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#1628 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

So how does this TV remote feature work exactly? So I have a DirecTV box plugged into a HDMI port.

Do I need to actually switch to the box's on the TV to watch tv, or is it handled directly through the Wii-U?

I don't think I will see much use of the Wii-U controller as a remote unless I don't have to switch to my DirecTv box.
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#1629 Strell

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

They don't recommend flash drives because of "flash media having a limited number of writes", but I don't think they actually stop you from using them. I find their concern about the "limited writes" sort of odd, though, seeing how the internal storage is flash. ???


We will need to get someone in here who knows more than me (there were two IT guys a few pages back, Lyth and someone else, my apologies for not remembering), but I'm unsure if flash and solid state drives are 100% the same thing. The Wii's internal memory was flash as far as I know, and I don't think anyone had a problem with that.

I know I've heard about a max number of read/write cycles available for solid state drives, but I seem to recall that there has been software advancements to getting past this, and that it's not so much an issue these days. But again, someone who knows more than me will have to confirm that.

USB drives definitely have a built in limit, and I suspect Nintendo is more or less covering their ass about the whole thing.


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#1630 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

The thing is that even if the writes stop working, the reads will not. So you aren't going to lose any data. Well, you won't as long as Nintendo comes through with a way to copy between devices. Right now you can't. But I suppose you could copy to internal memory, then to another device, so maybe you already can as long as you have enough storage space internally to do the transfer.

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#1631 dothog

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

The thing is that even if the writes stop working, the reads will not. So you aren't going to lose any data. Well, you won't as long as Nintendo comes through with a way to copy between devices. Right now you can't. But I suppose you could copy to internal memory, then to another device, so maybe you already can as long as you have enough storage space internally to do the transfer.


Write endurance was a concern 8 years ago. They're just generating copy to cite in case a user does something stupid and hooks up some antiquated POS, loses data somehow, and bitches "ALL MY DATAZ" to Nintendo.

The fact that they allow USB flash is what's important. Good on 'em.

Also, if you were to actually reach the write limit (very hard to believe), there's nothing preventing you from getting a new drive and reading data from old, writing it to new, and picking up where you left off. But on modern flash storage, you aren't gonna reach that limit.
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#1632 Yars

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:14 PM

We will need to get someone in here who knows more than me (there were two IT guys a few pages back, Lyth and someone else, my apologies for not remembering), but I'm unsure if flash and solid state drives are 100% the same thing. The Wii's internal memory was flash as far as I know, and I don't think anyone had a problem with that.

The concern for write limits are primarily in environments where data is constantly being updated and written to the drive. I've often heard people suggesting that you not defrag a SSD on a regular basis because that can result in a lot of writes to the drive. On the Wii U it isn't as much of a concern because you're primarily using the flash storage to manage tiny game save files or rarely installing a downloaded game.

Also, the Wii U probably has some hardware measures set to ensure that whenever you overwrite a save file it is not always written to the exact same location. That would evenly distribute the wear-and-tear over the product's lifespan.

... at least that's my understanding of things. As Strell mentioned, maybe a tech person can shed a bit more light on the topic.

#1633 jacknicklson

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

After a few days, my only complaint so far is how slow apps are to open. Takes far too long to multi-task which I guess won't be much of a problem for normal use but I still wish it were a bit snappier.

I do, however, greatly enjoy that I can turn it on and navigate without the gamepad/touch/pointer and just use the Wiimote buttons.

Overall, very happy so far and excited to see where the OS/software goes in the coming months/years
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#1634 elessar123

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:34 PM

Also, the Wii U probably has some hardware measures set to ensure that whenever you overwrite a save file it is not always written to the exact same location. That would evenly distribute the wear-and-tear over the product's lifespan.


I wouldn't count on that to be true. For all we know, Nintendo didn't implement it because they didn't want to pay for a license. It's also not true if the drive is close to full.

It's typically bad to use flash as a cache.

Lastly, once the flash is unwritable, I don't think you can read it either.

#1635 zebwinz

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

Alright. What about free games?


Nope, no free games yet, either. The demo for Rayman Legends was supposed to be out at launch but I haven't seen any news of it yet. I want to try running a game off a USB thumb drive since Nintendo doesn't suggest it, but also doesn't say that it won't work. However, I'm not going to pay 59.99 for a download only, launch title. I really want to play ZombiU but I'll wait for it to come from Gamefly.
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#1636 zebwinz

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:51 PM

For those looking for an AC powered USB Hard Drive, here's one on Amazon for $78
http://www.amazon.co...hiba canvio 1tb

Although I'm probably going to just make my own with this $20 enclosure
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817182180
and pop in a spare hard drive that's been sitting around
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#1637 BREVITY

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

Put on a new 500GB HDD single USB 3 type last night and tried to format it. It took forever setting at the checking screen and then shut off. I am wondering if it will ever work? Its a new slim Seagate drive.

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#1638 zebwinz

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

Put on a new 500GB HDD single USB 3 type last night and tried to format it. It took forever setting at the checking screen and then shut off. I am wondering if it will ever work? Its a new slim Seagate drive.

http://www.bestbuy.c...=specifications


Is that drive USB powered or AC adapter powered? Nintendo recommends( requires?) that the drive be externally powered
http://www.nintendo....usb_storage.jsp
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#1639 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

There's a 32 GB flash drive that has good reviews at newegg that is part of the BF deals and live now. $15. Supposed to be a pretty fast drive too. That will double your storage (or more) right there.

This one: http://www.newegg.co...-20313090-L013A

coupon code: EMCJJHN43

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#1640 BREVITY

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:10 PM

Its not externally powered but though the recommend that I didnt think it would mean that it wouldnt work at all.


Also I got the Turtle Beach N11 headset for the system. Having owned many gaming headsets from Turtle Beach and others I got to say these feel like crap. Their construction is not all that good at all. They sound fine but just about any headset with an inline mic works fine with these. I think I am going to return them.
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#1641 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

Do you mean any PC headset works? What kind of plug does it need?

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#1642 BREVITY

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

Ya I mean something like your Apple Earpods from your iPhone or those cheap but super good Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 headsets that you see on sale for 15$ all over the place. It needs a Audio/Mic Connection: 3.5mm, 4-pole. Something that has an inline mic.
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#1643 dragonjud

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

Wow at the whole USB drive having to have its own power source.

This thing just continues to underwhelm me. From games not looking as good as they do on current gen systems, to all the other little issues people are having, it's just looking ugly right now.
I will open mine and set it up, and then lock it back up for Christmas. Hopefully all the major kinks will be out by then.


#1644 hack

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

You MIGHT be able to download Wii U's day-one patch in the background...

http://kotaku.com/59...round?tag=wii-u

And it sounds like that goes for any patches, including game patches.

Wow at the whole USB drive having to have its own power source.

This thing just continues to underwhelm me. From games not looking as good as they do on current gen systems, to all the other little issues people are having, it's just looking ugly right now.
I will open mine and set it up, and then lock it back up for Christmas. Hopefully all the major kinks will be out by then.


If it makes you feel any better, I've had no issues with my system. First party games look great, and I don't think anyone expected third party games to blow us away graphically (I know I didn't). Black Ops 2 looks mighty fine though, and plays really well.

And some hard drives require an external power source, that can be true whether or not its plugged into a Wii U or a computer. Some devices have the power capacity to power an external hard drive, others do not. I wouldn't expect a game console to have a huge power capacity in it for external devices. Use a 2.5" portable hard drive and you should run into little issues. Most of the hard drives that require external power are the 3.5" really huge not-so-portable USB ones.

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#1645 maximumzero

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

Ya I mean something like your Apple Earpods from your iPhone or those cheap but super good Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 headsets that you see on sale for 15$ all over the place. It needs a Audio/Mic Connection: 3.5mm, 4-pole. Something that has an inline mic.


I dunno if the use changes per game, but I plugged in my iPhone earbuds w/ mic last night and the mic test in system settings was still registering as coming out of the built-in mic on the gamepad.

#1646 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

Where have you read that games don't look as good as on the 360/PS3? I have not read that, rather the contrary. BLOPS2, for example, runs at rock steady 60 fps at 720p on Wii U, while not managing steady 60 fps on 360 & PS3 while running at sub-HD (less than 720p, scaled up) resolution. That's the word from Treyarch.

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#1647 foltzie

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:51 PM

I havent tired it out, but via GoNintendo here is a way to use an SD card as you extral hard drive for a Wii U.



The benefit would be absolutely no need for a external power source, the drawback of course is having something so closely hanging of the console.

This of course assumes you were OK with the higher cost per GB for an SD card, which I was/am in favor of not having to have an extra power supply running.

#1648 Crunchewy

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:59 PM

I thought he was then going to disconnect it from the adapter and plug it into the Wii U itself. Did he try that? Perhaps once the game is on there it would work? If you're going to use an adapter then you might as well get a flash drive instead. Though I guess if you have a spare SD card and adapter already....

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#1649 Yars

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:10 PM

Where have you read that games don't look as good as on the 360/PS3? I have not read that, rather the contrary. BLOPS2, for example, runs at rock steady 60 fps at 720p on Wii U, while not managing steady 60 fps on 360 & PS3 while running at sub-HD (less than 720p, scaled up) resolution. That's the word from Treyarch.


It depends on the game. The Wii U port of Warriors Orochi 3 has been said to look better thanks to the additional RAM but runs at a lower framerate with fewer characters on screen at a time. Ubisoft had also said they were having some problems getting AC3 to replicate some of the minor graphical effects found on the PS3 and 360 versions. Granted it's a new system. Developers haven't had a chance to get familiar with things and learn how to get the most out of the hardware.

#1650 Octopod

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

At the moment, one of the best deals on Wii U games is at Toys'R'Us, who are running a buy 1, get 1 40% off deal on all Wii and Wii U titles. 40% off of $60 is $36. Averaged between two $60 games comes to a price of less than $50 each. (not unreasonable for brand-new titles)


And I've seen people using TRU's sale as a death note for the Wii U. Games clearanced on launch day! It may be tinfoil hat time but I think there is something fishy with a lot of the Wii U reporting. My system runs fine and the games look beautiful. I also didn't unplug my console during the update and then try to pretend that I lost power or something to mitigate responsibility. :lol: