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#2671 SaraAB

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:02 AM

55,000 seems awful low, but that seems it is just for January not overall sales. Proves that after the holiday season, no one wants it. This system will pick up in 2-3 years from release date just like the 3DS did. Until then its not worth buying. To be fair though no console is worth buying until after at least 2 years on the market.

#2672 Zmonkay

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:24 AM

Really hope they're just saving stuff for E3.

The 3DS is just killing it (especially from a first party perspective) but it took a while to build up steam, so here's to hoping the WiiU dev teams will be knocking stuff out for fall/holidays.
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#2673 usickenme

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:41 AM

So I guess the Wii U sold only 55,000 units in NA for Jan. Also did less than $15 million in software sales. Link courtesy of CheapyD's Twitter.

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cheapy seems pretty happy about that.

#2674 Deader2818

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

I don't know why anyone would be happy to see Nintendo fail.

A world without Mario, Zelda, Metriod, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Pokemon, etc is just a sadder world.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:58 AM

I don't know why anyone would be happy to see Nintendo fail.

A world without Mario, Zelda, Metriod, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Pokemon, etc is just a sadder world.


Agreed. I just don't understand that mentality.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:20 AM

Yea, look at Sega after they failed. Man, we're never getting another Sonic game.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:31 AM

Yea, look at Sega after they failed. Man, we're never getting another Sonic game.


Again, Nintendo IPs wouldn't end up on another console.

Even if they stopped making home consoles, they kill it on handhelds and that is where all their IPs go.

Also, Sonic is kind of a bad example anyways since ever since the Dreamcast, all Sonic games might as well not exist.

#2678 KingBroly

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:42 AM

Here's the problem with Wii U sales as I see it, care to disagree if you want:
- Nintendo thought New Super Mario Bros. U would have enough appeal to carry the system through the holidays. It didn't. Why? Because while NSMBU may appeal to casual gamers, they already had their New Super Mario Bros. fill for a while with NSMB2 on the 3DS, which is much cheaper. Also, NSMB has some limited to core gamers, but not enough to fill the hole lost because of casuals playing NSMB2. It's basically Animal Crossing City Folk from 2008 all over again. 'oh, AC is a core title. What more could you want from us?' A real core title, that's what. New Super Mario Bros. just isn't that type of franchise and never has been. If they wanted a big sell-through for Wii U, they shouldn't have put out NSMB2 5 months prior.

- the Marketing has been absolutely dreadful ever since it was introduced. I mean, goddamn. Dubstep, futuristic looking/unnatural settings do not sell game consoles. Just ask the PS3 and their crying baby. I mean, dear lord. The original Wii commercials told a story. It was something everyone could understand. It's hard for people to get excited for it when you keep half-assing your way through it.
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#2679 Josh5890

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:42 AM

Again, Nintendo IPs wouldn't end up on another console.

Even if they stopped making home consoles, they kill it on handhelds and that is where all their IPs go.

Also, Sonic is kind of a bad example anyways since ever since the Dreamcast, all Sonic games might as well not exist.


On the contrary, there have been a few good Sonic games in recent years. Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors comes to mind.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:48 AM

I see sales numbers, shrug my shoulders, and just go back to playing videogames.

I'll enjoy Nintendo's hardware and software output no matter how well or how poorly they're selling.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 06:19 AM

I see sales numbers, shrug my shoulders, and just go back to playing videogames.

I'll enjoy Nintendo's hardware and software output no matter how well or how poorly they're selling.


Exactly.

In fact it might be a good thing if the Wii U isn't selling well as it puts a fire under Nintendo's ass to rev up on the Wii U support. If Sony and Microsoft come out with consoles that blow people away and force Nintendo to develop and release more games I'm all for it. That's the beauty of a competitive market.

Look at the 3DS and how they responded to poor sales. The platform is now on fire and has a flood of even more quality titles on the way.

Right now I'm enjoying Nintendo Land and NSMBU, and they are great appetizers for my main course meal (Monster Hunter) next month. That game alone will offer hundreds of hours of entertainment that I can't get on any other platform. I know that not everyone is a Monster Hunter fan and that the drought of games on the Wii U is a little disappointing, however for me the series is one of my all time favorites and worth buying the Wii U for (HD visuals, new content, free online).

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#2682 coolz481

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 09:24 AM

The primary reason the Wii U is moving a bit slowly is the entry price of $299 and $349. It will be interesting to see what Nintendo puts together for Christmas 2013. A $249 basic with Nintendo Land loaded onto the system and maybe another pack-in will be probably do just fine against next-gen Microsoft and Sony systems priced at $399 or higher.

I'm sure everyone here will pick up a PS4 or 720 to go alongside their WiiU at some point; I just think that there will be enough high quality games the remainder of the year that I can wait until 2014 to go next-next-gen.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:09 AM

cheapy seems pretty happy about that.


I don't know why anyone would be happy to see Nintendo fail.

A world without Mario, Zelda, Metriod, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, Pokemon, etc is just a sadder world.


See, that's the thing - I think even if the Wii U had, at launch, awesome versions of all those games, he wouldn't care. I'd go so far as to say even if Nintendo's online was like the 360 (minus the fees) with achievements, unified accounts, etc, I still don't think he'd get one. It's just not his thing. Don't see why he would be happy about it though. Maybe it's just an "I told you so" attitude. There's a lot of that on CAG these days. Of course people did the same thing with the 3DS and look how that turned out (though I've seen Nintendo-haters saying there is still nothing good on the 3DS now or even coming out this year).

#2684 KingBroly

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

If you saw his twitter comment, you'd think he was pretty happy about Wii U not doing so well thus far. You'd think he wants Nintendo to go out of business the way he acts about it sometimes.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:14 PM

If you saw his twitter comment, you'd think he was pretty happy about Wii U not doing so well thus far. You'd think he wants Nintendo to go out of business the way he acts about it sometimes.


I don't know how people get through the CAG podcasts. I don't know why anyone would take seriously the opinion of someone who uses the ol' "Nintendo is for kids" chestnut as the basis of their opinion of N. It's dishonest. I mean, the idea that there's less emotional intelligence/development in SMG than there is in Gears of War, for instance, is way beyond me.

However, as for the numbers everyone's talking about, it would have been better for their WIIU unit and software sales to have been stronger. There's no sugar coating it by excusing everything away with "post-holiday" stuff. When a 7-year old console outsells your shiny new console in a given month by 5 times, that's not a good sign. That's a bad sign.
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#2686 Tronny

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

If you saw his twitter comment, you'd think he was pretty happy about Wii U not doing so well thus far. You'd think he wants Nintendo to go out of business the way he acts about it sometimes.


I don't know how people get through the CAG podcasts. I don't know why anyone would take seriously the opinion of someone who uses the ol' "Nintendo is for kids" chestnut as the basis of their opinion of N. It's dishonest. I mean, the idea that there's less emotional intelligence/development in SMG than there is in Gears of War, for instance, is way beyond me.
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Hating on Nintendo and bragging about the merits of PC gaming makes you seem "with it" and "hip". It's just something that people go through when they get old.

That being said, sure the WiiU is floundering, but I am going to get to play some of the best games ever fairly soon. The Wii had its fair share of crap and assorted issues but there were also some of the best games of last generation. That's just me, I like playing games, I don't need to pick a battle with one particular console in order to feel relevant or justified.

#2687 Corvin

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

Games sell consoles. Period. There are no games means there are no people buying consoles.

Nintendo should have ponied up an exclusivity fee to Ubi for Rayman. It's a universal title that appeals to casual and core gamers and showcases the tablet functions fairly well.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

See, that's the thing - I think even if the Wii U had, at launch, awesome versions of all those games, he wouldn't care. I'd go so far as to say even if Nintendo's online was like the 360 (minus the fees) with achievements, unified accounts, etc, I still don't think he'd get one. It's just not his thing. Don't see why he would be happy about it though. Maybe it's just an "I told you so" attitude. There's a lot of that on CAG these days. Of course people did the same thing with the 3DS and look how that turned out (though I've seen Nintendo-haters saying there is still nothing good on the 3DS now or even coming out this year).


I know this is the WiiU thread, but this largely applies to the Vita as well. There's some downright fantastic games on that system but he's so overwhelmed with wanting to be right about its failure that he'll never notice those games (but he makes it clear that he loves the hardware itself...:roll:). Like you mentioned, it was the same way with the 3DS, too.

I really don't remember the CAGcast back in the day being so overwhelmingly negative toward systems. I'm talking way back in the day when it was just Cheapy and Wombat (below episode 100). The surprising part for me is that as I've gotten older I've cared less and less about feeling the need to bash systems/companies. I remember I was in my early to mid-20s when the last round of consoles came out and I certainly jumped into the fanboyish bashing (of the PS3 in particular, I remember) but like I said, now it just seems pointless. I would have assumed that would apply to the CAGcast guys as well considering they're all at least a few years older than I am but here we are tuning into the CAGcast to basically hear what's turning into the "PC gaming master race."

I really don't mind realistic criticisms of a system I enjoy, but where people lose me is when their criticisms are drastically overblown or you are actively championing that system's downfall. If you tell me the WiiU doesn't have much of a library, I can understand your criticism and agree with you to a certain extent (considering I only have 4 WiiU games on my shelf). When you tell me there's no way the WiiU can ever succeed and that Nintendo has "lost it" is the point at which I just don't want to listen to you. Not because I don't want to hear criticism about a system I'm interested in, but because you're just not being reasonable or objective in your criticism. No system is perfect (not even PC), they all have their downfalls, and there's no reason to act like any system is the best ever (or the worst ever).

Games sell consoles. Period. There are no games means there are no people buying consoles.

Nintendo should have ponied up an exclusivity fee to Ubi for Rayman. It's a universal title that appeals to casual and core gamers and showcases the tablet functions fairly well.


I'm not entirely sure Nintendo didn't pay for exclusivity of Rayman Legends and Ubisoft breached the contract. We have no way of knowing for sure unless a lawsuit is brought though. Let's be clear though, Rayman Origins was a decent game definitely, but Ubisoft is dramatically overestimating the value of that game/IP. Trying to launch in the fall (again...) is evidence of that. I would imagine that as a result, if Nintendo had wanted to get it exclusively it would have cost them way more than it should have.

#2689 itachiitachi

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

Hating on Nintendo and bragging about the merits of PC gaming makes you seem "with it" and "hip". It's just something that people go through when they get old.

Ironically The only benfit Cheapy sees in PC gaming is the graphics you get from a $2,000 rig.

Most PC gamers I know like Nintendo systems since they offer the most games you can't get on the PC.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:29 PM

Ironically The only benfit Cheapy sees in PC gaming is the graphics you get from a $2,000 rig.

Most PC gamers I know like Nintendo systems since they offer the most games you can't get on the PC.


Can we please stop already with the $2000 PC comments already. You can build an amazing PC for $500-$600 that will run everything out there today. The days of a great gaming PC costing $2000 are LONG gone, and they've been gone for quite awhile.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:32 PM

Can we please stop already with the $2000 PC comments. You can build an amazing PC for $500-$600 that will run everything out there today. The days of a great gaming PC costing $2000 are LONG gone.


This. Surely people can't be that stupid to think PC gaming can still cost anywhere near 2k

- the Marketing has been absolutely dreadful ever since it was introduced. I mean, goddamn. Dubstep, futuristic looking/unnatural settings do not sell game consoles.


You must be one of the lucky ones since i still have yet to see any of those ads. Damn sure remember seeing a shit ton of "Ree roo rike to ray" during the months leading up to the Wii's launch

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:46 PM

The primary reason the Wii U is moving a bit slowly is the entry price of $299 and $349.


If so, it isn't a good sign for the next generation consoles in general. Last generation started out with higher prices than this, and I think there are going to be plenty (like myself) who think the current generation will be good enough for a while. Both Sony and Microsoft are really going to need to bring their A game to convince people they need another console. I don't know if I have the confidence in either company that they can do it.

The sales aren't surprising. Most people who wanted the Wii U bought it during the holidays, and there has been little to encourage more sales after. The combination of the usual post-holiday drop and the lack of new releases until March really hurt potential sales. That being said, I've liked some of the actions Nintendo has taken to address this. Hopefully, by the time the other guys release their consoles, the Wii U will be in a stronger position to hang in there.

I guess I understand some of the desire for Nintendo to fail (people don't like owning multiple consoles to play the games they want), but I doubt it will work in their favor. Also, I like all the experiments Nintendo has made in how games will be played in the future. They are at least trying to push the envelope, which I can't really say for Sony or Microsoft. We'll see what kind of ideas they come up with for their next consoles, to see if they find some ways to innovate and convince me that I shouldn't just stick with PC gaming. Because, if it is more of the same, I can't see myself buying in.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 03:58 PM

If so, it isn't a good sign for the next generation consoles in general. Last generation started out with higher prices than this, and I think there are going to be plenty (like myself) who think the current generation will be good enough for a while. Both Sony and Microsoft are really going to need to bring their A game to convince people they need another console. I don't know if I have the confidence in either company that they can do it.


First off, I haven't made any decisions about the new consoles because everything right now is just rumors and speculation. That having been said if they just end up bringing out better graphics, I'm not terribly interested, particularly if the pricepoints are even higher than WiiU. The problem for both Sony and Microsoft is that they've already improved their existing consoles too much. They are both entirely different things than what they originally released to the point that it's difficult to see what more they can bring to the table to make a compelling argument that you should spend hundreds more.

For me, as someone who has shifted a lot more into portable games because of the ability to sit on the couch and play a game while watching a movie, the Wii U was perfect. I didn't buy it for the graphics, I bought it because it brought something different to the table than just better graphics. To a certain extent, I don't care enough about graphics to buy a new console with only that expectation.

#2694 usickenme

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:04 PM

Can we please stop already with the $2000 PC comments already. You can build an amazing PC for $500-$600 that will run everything out there today. The days of a great gaming PC costing $2000 are LONG gone, and they've been gone for quite awhile.


you think Cheapy only spent $500 for his computer? Really? He probably spent $500 on the monitor alone.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

Both he and shipwreck have said or at least hinted what they spent on their PCs, and the $2000 comments aren't far off, at all.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:12 PM

First off, I haven't made any decisions about the new consoles because everything right now is just rumors and speculation. That having been said if they just end up bringing out better graphics, I'm not terribly interested, particularly if the pricepoints are even higher than WiiU. The problem for both Sony and Microsoft is that they've already improved their existing consoles too much. They are both entirely different things than what they originally released to the point that it's difficult to see what more they can bring to the table to make a compelling argument that you should spend hundreds more.

For me, as someone who has shifted a lot more into portable games because of the ability to sit on the couch and play a game while watching a movie, the Wii U was perfect. I didn't buy it for the graphics, I bought it because it brought something different to the table than just better graphics. To a certain extent, I don't care enough about graphics to buy a new console with only that expectation.


Eh, there's more to better hardware than just better graphics. I just finished up a runthrough of Fallout: New Vegas a little while back, and it's a great example of hardware inadequacy.

New Vegas had four major pieces of DLC: Dead Money, Honest Hearts, Old World Blues, and Lonesome Road. The 360 and PS3 had such severe memory issues that, each time the developers implemented a new piece of DLC, they had to cut back on main-game content. Install Dead Money? Say goodbye to half the population of Primm. Install Honest Hearts? There goes most of the traffic in Vegas. Or most of the troops stationed in Forlorn Hope and Nelson. It made the game world feel far more empty than it should be (Gee, this army camp sure has a lot of empty beds...) and it turned a lot of major fights into absolute cakewalks. Even the PC Master Race got hit by the changes, though we can at least mod that shit out.

Most PC gamers I know like Nintendo systems since they offer the most games you can't get on the PC.

Pretty much. I'll play the big-name western games on my computer anyway, so I don't have much use for a non-Nintendo console.

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#2697 itachiitachi

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Can we please stop already with the $2000 PC comments already. You can build an amazing PC for $500-$600 that will run everything out there today. The days of a great gaming PC costing $2000 are LONG gone, and they've been gone for quite awhile.

Um maybe you should try reading, I was referring to Cheapy D and his ignorant view on PC gaming not mine.

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#2698 usickenme

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:18 PM

I don't know how people get through the CAG podcasts. I don't know why anyone would take seriously the opinion of someone who uses the ol' "Nintendo is for kids" chestnut as the basis of their opinion of N. It's dishonest..


I used to be a big fan but really, I can't stand the show anymore. All the hosts seems to be so close-minded that it's ridiculous. They would rather stake out some position and stick to it no matter how dumb it sounds. God forbid anyone of them try something a centimeter outside their comfort zone.

I'm all for having different opinions but when they are based on myopia, I don't need to hear it.

#2699 SEH

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

Um maybe you should try reading, I was referring to Cheapy D and his ignorant view on PC gaming not mine.


My bad. I don't listen to the podcast. To me, your post just came off as a blanket statement toward PC gaming in general. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 05:05 PM

Hey, guys...about that Wii U?
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