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#31 camoor

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 02:06 AM

From what I seen with the common man they get screwed more by banks than congress. Its ok to walk in and take money out of the vault.

You see how that doesnt work in any other field.


It's convenient that congress enacts legislation against the big bad scary media pirate, but they almost never go after the exploitative entertainment companies. That's all.

Media pirates have no great moral standing, but they are hardly worse then music execs. It's hard to feel sorry for your "victim" when this same victim owns most of congress and exploits people like you every day.

There are no winners here, but it's hardly a "what did you expect?" situation. I expected media companies to overreach, but I also expected congress to stand up for the people, for citizen rights, over undue powers of censorship. I'm sure there's a bill out there that gives a few more powers to media companies to track down pirates without resulting to SOPA's way-too-broad censorship powers and draconian punishments.

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 03:12 AM

Jay-Z
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Producers, Directors
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Drummers, Pianist, Guitarist, Singers, Dancers, Keyboards,
Live Lighting Engineers, Live Sound Engineers, Set Designers, Stage Designers, Stage Hands, Stage Mangers, Roadies, Cable Wranglers
Camera Ops, Projectionist, Laser Techs, FX, Graphic Designers, Web Designers, Web IT, PR Specialist, Writers, Lawyers, Accountants, Drivers, promoters, Event Planners, Party Companies, Clean up, the person who owns the venue, security, ticket takers, The people who work at your local energy company who provides electricity to run 400 thousand amps of gear, their techs, their customer service, the company that actually design and press the physically cd, etc etc etc.
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no offense but asinine. Jay-z isn't single handily responsible for any of that save a few PAs.

lol "Thank God for Jay-z. He is keeping the power company going, Never mind the millions of other customers". Get real


while we are at it. We might as well have a curfew 8pm every night because some people get up to no good.

#33 ananag112

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 04:14 AM

Evolve or die. Look at how well all of these free to play games are doing on the PC and consoles. Companies have to come up with innovative pricing schemes to beat piracy and not just sue a few violators to set an example.
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#34 Clak

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Posted 27 December 2011 - 08:48 PM

Yeah SOPA does seem like it would destroy the internet....but you are doing that already by stealing so many things. Again, its one or the other. Clearly the internet cant self police so what other option does a company have?

I am all for getting together and discussing what can be done but it doesnt seem like many internet users want to do that because the end result will make them face the fact that they do not have a "right" to steal whatever they want just because its digital.

The internet brought this upon themselves so you cant get mad now you should have saw this coming when you were downloading 30g of torrents a day.

I know you've already expressed your opinion in subsequent posts, but I just wanted to point out that saying "but you are doing that already by stealing so many things." is ridiuclous when you consider that piracy has been around since before the public even had access to the internet. You're saying that something which has been around since the beginning, is going to kill the thing?No, the truth is that, like many other things, it was going on long before any of us knew, ti's just that now it's big enough that organizations like the RIAA and MPAA are making a stink about it. Frankly, if they really wanted to stop internet piracy they should have started a long, long time ago.
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#35 camoor

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:41 PM

Very interesting

Reddit users, emboldened by their efforts to get Go Daddy to drop its support for the Stop Online Piracy Act, want to use their newfound political momentum to force a sitting senator out of office. The campaign, dubbed "Operation Cork Screw," hopes to oust Senator Bob Corker, one of 40 co-sponsors of the Protect IP Act, the Senate version of SOPA.


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:23 PM

Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it.
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Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:29 PM

Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it.

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Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.


Be careful when attempting to estimate how much money is lost to piracy. The GAO succinctly addresses some of the problems in doing so in this report: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-423

Three widely cited U.S. government estimates of economic losses resulting from counterfeiting cannot be substantiated due to the absence of underlying studies. Generally, the illicit nature of counterfeiting and piracy makes estimating the economic impact of IP infringements extremely difficult, so assumptions must be used to offset the lack of data. Efforts to estimate losses involve assumptions such as the rate at which consumers would substitute counterfeit for legitimate products, which can have enormous impacts on the resulting estimates. Because of the significant differences in types of counterfeited and pirated goods and industries involved, no single method can be used to develop estimates. Each method has limitations, and most experts observed that it is difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the economy-wide impacts.

There are also positive benefits that are overlooked. They may not outweigh the negative effects overall, but I think the losses to piracy are vastly overstated.

It's still an objectively bad thing, just not as bad as certain groups would have you believe.

#38 camoor

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:39 PM

Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it.

Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.


Even in a world without piracy, I doubt if he would have made half of that.

First of all, you have to consider how studios make money. If someone torrented it then they didn't care enough to see it in the theater or buy a professional DVD. For example I watched Source Code on netflix. Yeah the studio probably made a little coin on that but it's a far cry from box office or dvd sales money.

Secondly, how many of the downloaders actually paid to see the movie in the end? How many would have bought it if they couldn't torrent it? Would they even be able to get half of those downloaders to acquire it legallly as you opine (doubtful)

It's a big impressive number but it's fairly illusory.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 06:59 PM

very interesting

Reddit users, emboldened by their efforts to get go daddy to drop its support for the stop online piracy act, want to use their newfound political momentum to force a sitting senator out of office. The campaign, dubbed "operation cork screw," hopes to oust senator bob corker, one of 40 co-sponsors of the protect ip act, the senate version of sopa.


http://www.pcworld.c...an_senator.html


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Posted 29 December 2011 - 07:01 PM

Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it.

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Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.


Actually, that's not a chart of downloads and how much was lost...but a chart of downloads and how much the movie grossed wordwide. Source Code didn't lose 123 million from pirates, it made 123 million total Link.


#41 Soodmeg

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 07:23 PM

I didnt know we had so many movie/tv/film experts on CAG. I never noticed any of you in my 10 years of working in the field. So how many station/networks/movies you work on there Camoor? Me? I have credits/non credit supporters in probably over 30 station and networks over 40 national tv show, 10 big budget feature length films (I hate working in film) 12 indie movies with national releases, 6 or so shorts and I have produced concert events for people like Jay-Z, REO Speedwagon, Kid Rock, Mario etc. Then there my day job which probably adds about 200 or so live,taped,CCTV events for various billion dollar corporations like Ford, GM, Jaguar, Honda.


I have no beef with any of you, in fact I like most of you a lot but.....your just fucking stupid. This entire thread is full of people who wouldnt even be able to sniff a real set in a million years but you all somehow know all the ends and outs of the business. From what I can gather half of you should be on staff at News Corp (2nd Largest media conglomerates) or Viacom (4th but I am sure you guys knew that) in the budgetary marketing department.

It would be like if I log onto a medical forum with all my information coming from ER and House episodes.

Although I love debating new ideas (specifically this because its my career) this is more like expecting Aaron Rodgers to actually listen to some armchair QB about what plays the Packers should be running.


So, good talk guys, I will bid ado as I have to get back to actually working in film/tv/broadcasting...but I will pass along your wisdom to the higher ups at Discovery channel when I work for them next week, I am not sure why they didnt get your ideas already because it seems like you guys know so many people working in the industry.


By the way, for the last time, I actually disagree heavily with SOPA, its just that most "internet wise men" are so misguided that I always have to jump on that side to even it out.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 07:31 PM

Even in a world without piracy, I doubt if he would have made half of that.

First of all, you have to consider how studios make money. If someone torrented it then they didn't care enough to see it in the theater or buy a professional DVD. For example I watched Source Code on netflix. Yeah the studio probably made a little coin on that but it's a far cry from box office or dvd sales money.

Secondly, how many of the downloaders actually paid to see the movie in the end? How many would have bought it if they couldn't torrent it? Would they even be able to get half of those downloaders to acquire it legallly as you opine (doubtful)

It's a big impressive number but it's fairly illusory.


I agree with the fact that these estimated losses are most likely overinflated. There's no way of knowing how many of these people who downloaded said movie, song, game, etc actually had money or any intention to buy said item in the first place. Also, there's no way of knowing who went on to buy said product because of their initial impression of it.

I've heard this same argument on animenewsnetwork pertaining to downloaded anime or streaming manga.

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#43 camoor

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 08:30 PM

I didnt know we had so many movie/tv/film experts on CAG. I never noticed any of you in my 10 years of working in the field. So how many station/networks/movies you work on there Camoor? Me? I have credits/non credit supporters in probably over 30 station and networks over 40 national tv show, 10 big budget feature length films (I hate working in film) 12 indie movies with national releases, 6 or so shorts and I have produced concert events for people like Jay-Z, REO Speedwagon, Kid Rock, Mario etc. Then there my day job which probably adds about 200 or so live,taped,CCTV events for various billion dollar corporations like Ford, GM, Jaguar, Honda.


I have no beef with any of you, in fact I like most of you a lot but.....your just fucking stupid. This entire thread is full of people who wouldnt even be able to sniff a real set in a million years but you all somehow know all the ends and outs of the business. From what I can gather half of you should be on staff at News Corp (2nd Largest media conglomerates) or Viacom (4th but I am sure you guys knew that) in the budgetary marketing department.

It would be like if I log onto a medical forum with all my information coming from ER and House episodes.

Although I love debating new ideas (specifically this because its my career) this is more like expecting Aaron Rodgers to actually listen to some armchair QB about what plays the Packers should be running.


So, good talk guys, I will bid ado as I have to get back to actually working in film/tv/broadcasting...but I will pass along your wisdom to the higher ups at Discovery channel when I work for them next week, I am not sure why they didnt get your ideas already because it seems like you guys know so many people working in the industry.


By the way, for the last time, I actually disagree heavily with SOPA, its just that most "internet wise men" are so misguided that I always have to jump on that side to even it out.


Ah I see. We're not industry bigwigs so we're not allowed to have an opinion.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:08 PM

I didnt know we had so many movie/tv/film experts on CAG. I never noticed any of you in my 10 years of working in the field. So how many station/networks/movies you work on there Camoor? Me? I have credits/non credit supporters in probably over 30 station and networks over 40 national tv show, 10 big budget feature length films (I hate working in film) 12 indie movies with national releases, 6 or so shorts and I have produced concert events for people like Jay-Z, REO Speedwagon, Kid Rock, Mario etc. Then there my day job which probably adds about 200 or so live,taped,CCTV events for various billion dollar corporations like Ford, GM, Jaguar, Honda.


I have no beef with any of you, in fact I like most of you a lot but.....your just fucking stupid. This entire thread is full of people who wouldnt even be able to sniff a real set in a million years but you all somehow know all the ends and outs of the business. From what I can gather half of you should be on staff at News Corp (2nd Largest media conglomerates) or Viacom (4th but I am sure you guys knew that) in the budgetary marketing department.

It would be like if I log onto a medical forum with all my information coming from ER and House episodes.

Although I love debating new ideas (specifically this because its my career) this is more like expecting Aaron Rodgers to actually listen to some armchair QB about what plays the Packers should be running.


So, good talk guys, I will bid ado as I have to get back to actually working in film/tv/broadcasting...but I will pass along your wisdom to the higher ups at Discovery channel when I work for them next week, I am not sure why they didnt get your ideas already because it seems like you guys know so many people working in the industry.


By the way, for the last time, I actually disagree heavily with SOPA, its just that most "internet wise men" are so misguided that I always have to jump on that side to even it out.

You certainly are one smug individual. I'll let you get back to holding a camera.
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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:30 PM

lol Are we supposed to list our credentials before our opinion can be valid? We the consumers are the reason the market exists in the first place. Adapt or die, piracy will never stop.

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#46 Soodmeg

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:38 PM

No, I am not a big wig, I am a random guy with a set of skills. I am not smug I barely know anything. The problem is that you guys are not saying opinions you are pretending to speak in factually debate while having no context what so ever.

Even worse is most of you refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary of your own opinion that isnt based on anything. Sure you will readily devoure any report that says piracy doesnt hurt that much but will promptly ignore anyone that says it does. You cant have a debate like that.

You guys are throwing away every statement by anyone who has more insight than you and choosing to only believe what you want. Not counting me I am just a random guy who knows more than you because I happen to work in this field. If we were talking about anything else I would be as lost as you guys are now. They release numbers that say they have x amount of dollars stolen from piracy your instant reaction is to say they are lying and that it cant be that much. Then you shift blame to studios or execs or the boogie man without providing any substance as to how that can be possible. Do you even know what studios actually do in regards to funding and budgets?

I mean seriously guys honestly answer this question. Is there anything that they can release that you would actually believe? At this point most of you are so far biased to one side its pointless to even talk about.

Hell even that chart that was just posted that tracked downloads vs gross income proves without a shadow of a doubt that if a movie was pirated 9 million times but still made 10 million dollars then it should have made 30 million (guessing to make this point) or simply more money than it grossed.

This whole topic is based on one half simply refusing you believe a very FACTUAL statement that pirating is indeed taking away income from any form of media. Your answer to that is many forms of "its not that big of a deal and of course this strange adapt or die statement. How about you suggest some ways to for them to adapt indeed of stating a stawman? Its not even a real opinion its just a way to sidestep the actually topic. It reminds of pro life rally when you ask them if you are against abortion than what should be do with all the unwanted welfare babies?

Again, I love all of you but this is arm chair qbing at its best, a bunch of guys who self admittedly have not worked in, read about, made, budgeted shot, recorded,edited any thing but are going to debate the inner workings of media and who also will refuse any information from a source that does indeed work in the field that you are debating. (Not me, I am referring to the millions of data that networks and studio release each year that most of you so promptly discredit)


So again, sorry, I have no beef with anyone, I still greatly enjoy camoor and claks topics outside of this one. Especially camoor who has been here as long as I have, he is a long time cool CAG its just this one topic I fully disagree to the point of murder on mostly because its directly effects my real life. So debate to your hearts content everyone I will not derail this thread and you can have at it.

#47 Soodmeg

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 09:58 PM

Again, for the record. I am actually on the side of stopping SOPA. I actually do believe that the industry will need to even further adapt to this new age, I just know that if I walked into a best buy and tried to walk out with a tv none here would be running to my defense claiming that best buy should have to adapt with the times and that tvs should just be free to all who wants them.

My last question would be the same as my very first. Why is it ok to do this to digital media but not ok to do this with physical media. You wont go take a playstation off a shelf but you will download to your hearts content. I just dont get it.

The other big problem which probably got lost in the shuffle is the fact that you still WANT the media. If you were claiming that there should be less rappers in general that is one thing...but you are not...you still want just as many techo, pop, house, underground as ever you just dont want them to profit from their creations. I just dont understand that logic...as much as you guess dont understand the industry! HIOW!!! I kid I kid!

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 10:26 PM

Again, for the record. I am actually on the side of stopping SOPA. I actually do believe that the industry will need to even further adapt to this new age, I just know that if I walked into a best buy and tried to walk out with a tv none here would be running to my defense claiming that best buy should have to adapt with the times and that tvs should just be free to all who wants them.

My last question would be the same as my very first. Why is it ok to do this to digital media but not ok to do this with physical media. You wont go take a playstation off a shelf but you will download to your hearts content. I just dont get it.

Well for starters, digital media can be replicated quickly and easily with no degradation of quality. It's not the same as stealing a physical product. It's more like if you could walk up to a playstation on a shelf and save an exact duplicate of it onto a flash drive.

These "artists" need to understand that if lots of people are pirating your work and not many people are paying for it, then the general consensus must be that your work isn't worth the money. People will buy movies they love, people will pay for music they love, and people will download stuff that they don't feel is worth their hard earned money. Maybe it would help if there was more focus on rewarding paid downloaders instead of crying about piracy.

#49 IRHari

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 11:23 PM

Actually, that's not a chart of downloads and how much was lost...but a chart of downloads and how much the movie grossed wordwide. Source Code didn't lose 123 million from pirates, it made 123 million total Link.


Agreed, I don't think Lice read the chart correctly.

You can have it both ways, I dont fully agree with SOPA either but what else do you want them to do? YOU STEAL EVERYTHING. You break into a place enough times and then get pissed when they put a fence up. They wouldnt have to be so extreme if everyone didnt think it was their right to steal everything.

Dont like SOPA? Try paying for some stuff. I also love how people always threaten to not buy things that wouldnt in the first place. The whole thing is based on the fact that so many things are stolen and reproduced on the internet so how does a threat of not buying things from them really work? Not enough people were in the first place.


For being against SOPA, you sure seem to sympathize with this extreme over-reaching bill, eh? Why do you think our only choices are SOPA or the status quo?

No, I am not a big wig, I am a random guy with a set of skills. I am not smug I barely know anything. The problem is that you guys are not saying opinions you are pretending to speak in factually debate while having no context what so ever.

Even worse is most of you refuse to accept any evidence to the contrary of your own opinion that isnt based on anything. Sure you will readily devoure any report that says piracy doesnt hurt that much but will promptly ignore anyone that says it does. You cant have a debate like that.


But what evidence have you provided? What report have you provided links to? You're just saying things without any evidence either other then 'this many people work for jay-z and he's more important than you' than saying you've got 'experience' and implying your opinion holds more weight than others.

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#50 Soodmeg

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 01:12 AM

No, I dont do tags man, plus I am not that petty. I would assume it was actually said towards me. Just to clarify, Jay Z is more important in this plot line because his work requires about 400 people to produce but of course nothing I can say, nothing the RIAA can say, nothing a big company can say can ever change anyone mind. Most people half made up their mind on this case. I am fully against SOPA but I more against out right lies, misguided information, made up scenarios invoking an industry that no one here works in yet knowns how and where every dollars gets spent. I can post a thousand links but as you can see any info will be instantly discredited with a "they are overestimating" which is impossible for anyone to know who doesnt at least read the books.

I would love to get into more debate but its just not worth it...the thread is just going to be run in circles.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 02:04 AM

This is wrong. Period. Its the crux of the their argument. It is so easy to say that its no big deal when you are the one doing the stealing and not the one getting stolen from. Trivializing what you are doing is the catalyst of their push to control everything.

Like most internet users you dont understand that the bored teenager torrenting a few Nikki Minaj songs represents a loss of 20 - 30 million dollars to a corporation. If someone was stealing 30% of your work wouldnt you fight to get it back? When I look at my bank account you dont think I wonder what it would be if 20-40% of my work wasnt stolen each month?
Unless you are an artist you have no way of understanding how it feels to have the world simply up and tell you that you shouldnt be paid for the hundreds of hours thousand of dollars you spent to do what you do.

Again, I am not really for SOPA because I think it does give them way to much power but internet users have FAR to much power right now. Ironically you are exactly what you think they will be. You are raping and pillaging everything around you with very little consequences yet you are scared that they will have too much power? You might as well be able to walk through walls like an X-Men because you found a way to seriously put your hand in the pocket of a major corp and take money out. The strange thing is how people still feel doing this to lets say a bank as illegal but its cool to do it to Sony. The bottom line is that hundreds of millions of dollars of other peoples money gets stolen every year (probably month) you couldnt possible think that they would be fine with that and wouldnt go to the ends of the earth to get it back. If someone stole 200 million from your personally account you would want to hire a hitman and kill them but as long as its a big corp than who cares right?

Until internet users face the fact that they have basically been stealing 100 of millions of dollars from dozens of corporations for years now and decide to work with big corp of a common ground that is fair to both sides you will always be faced with a SOPA. And guess what? You will lose because they have far more lawyers and far more money than you.

I will say it again, dont like SOPA? Then convince your friends to stop downloading everything under the sun and use the thousands of legal apps that are floating around. You can get unlimited amount of virtually everything for under 20 bucks a month but even that is too much for MOST internet users to fork over. So even though I dont like it..prepare to get your ass raped in the exact same fashion you have been doing for years.


Just wow. You are totally blowing things out of proportion. Some "Artists" make too much money as it is...and maybe if the record companies and the artists made a little less, people could afford to spend their hard earned money to buy a CD just for one or two songs. That is why CDs are going the way of the buffalo and record companies are forced to adapt. Now digital distribution is king and people can buy individual songs. Win for the consumer...now we can pay $2.00 for two songs instead of being screwed out of $20 for a full album that they dont want.

You are flawed in your logic as well...as you equate one person downloading a nicky minaj (ughh, horrible music) song to one missed sale of her record (or sale in general). This is incorrect as many people who torrent one of her songs probably never had the intention of buying the album to begin with, or even buying anything to begin with. You are making drastic assumptions based on nothing more than your opinion or perception. You demonize people who torrent music as the devil (it would seem from your rant), yet fail to even mention all the free publicity these artists may have gotten as a result of filesharing. People who never even heard of an artist maybe will download a song they havent heard of before because it is a popular file, and this person enjoys the music so much they decide to go out and buy it... What about that? :-P

What I dont get is your whole attitude... No one is telling you that you shouldnt be paid for anything. It is all your perception and in your own head. Get off your high horse. There are people who take advantage of things in all areas. That is human nature - if there is an easier way to get something, some people will do it even though it is wrong. No one is raping, or pillaging anything. If anything, it is hollywood and the RIAA that have been raping and pillaging the American citizens for years, and it took the populace fighting back to get record companies to realize that people dont want to get a whole album crammed down their throats. They want to be able to pay for and download just 1 or 2 songs...and maybe even listen to the songs before they buy it so they can make the best, most informed decision they can as to which songs they want to spend their hard-earned money on. We all cant sit there and fart out a few songs that someone else wrote for us to make millions so we can sit on our asses in our palatial mansions eating grapes or something.

I know some artists are definitely more fortunate than others and make much more money than others...therefore you cant group all artists in the same basket (just like you cant group all people who torrent music in the same basket - to do so would exhibit ignorance on my part as well), but the artists that we see and hear about are the popular ones that make tons of cash (they even show us in their rap videos!). Just think, if the artist just threw a little less cash on the strippers' asses when they make it rain, and the record companies made a few million less (but still millions of dollars) then music would be a little more affordable to the masses and more would be purchased...

Its just like sports and athletes...maybe if they made a few less million and charged a little less, I could afford to go to more live games and spend more money on food and concessions. I am sorry that your financial situation is apparently not as good as other artists' is, but that is a poor reason to take your frustration out on the general public...IMHO.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 03:08 PM

No, I am not a big wig, I am a random guy with a set of skills. I am not smug I barely know anything. The problem is that you guys are not saying opinions you are pretending to speak in factually debate while having no context what so ever.

Whoa there hombre, you're talking about what you think is destroying the internet, yet you work in tv/film, so I fail to see how that is anything but opinion as well. I at least work in IT. You need a little context there yourself I think.
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#53 Clak

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 03:14 PM

No, I dont do tags man, plus I am not that petty. I would assume it was actually said towards me. Just to clarify, Jay Z is more important in this plot line because his work requires about 400 people to produce but of course nothing I can say, nothing the RIAA can say, nothing a big company can say can ever change anyone mind. Most people half made up their mind on this case. I am fully against SOPA but I more against out right lies, misguided information, made up scenarios invoking an industry that no one here works in yet knowns how and where every dollars gets spent. I can post a thousand links but as you can see any info will be instantly discredited with a "they are overestimating" which is impossible for anyone to know who doesnt at least read the books.

I would love to get into more debate but its just not worth it...the thread is just going to be run in circles.

Yeah the industry associations are full of lies, misguided information, and made up scenarios. Wait, you weren't talking about them, were you?
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#54 Soodmeg

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 05:34 PM

Whoa there hombre, you're talking about what you think is destroying the internet, yet you work in tv/film, so I fail to see how that is anything but opinion as well. I at least work in IT. You need a little context there yourself I think.


Yeah the industry associations are full of lies, misguided information, and made up scenarios. Wait, you weren't talking about them, were you?


Damn it, stop asking me direct questions! :lol: You keep pulling me back in like a gang member.

To your first point. No, my original point was lost in the shuffle. I was never talking about what is destroying the internet, the core of the debate which was sidesteped harder than a LMAFO concert was that you are destroying the industry by stealing their work. Because you just gained something that you didnt previously have without paying the person who made it thus they dont have the money to make more or at the very least they are not paid the the work they put into making it.

That point was never actually debated or if it was it came and went extremely quickly. Also, working in IT would have maybe lead to a great debate but once again no one here really seemed to want to get down to the core of the point including me. Where we are at now is so far past what I actually wanted to discuss its not point in even trying.

I will say this, what happened here is a VERY common occurrence when talking about this subject. I am not saying this to rip on anyone or to say your opinion doesnt matter but the reason is because this debate is fueled by a ton of people who are saying thing that would make no sense if you knew the industry. You work in IT as you said? You must have a million stories about dealing with "dumb" customers who cant figure out the difference in USB and ISP is now imagine if two of those people started trying to discuss the inner workings of Apple products.

Do your second joke, honestly I didnt quite get it so........maybe?

#55 chiwii

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 08:47 PM

I will say this, what happened here is a VERY common occurrence when talking about this subject. I am not saying this to rip on anyone or to say your opinion doesnt matter but the reason is because this debate is fueled by a ton of people who are saying thing that would make no sense if you knew the industry.


What is being said that wouldn't make sense if one knew the industry?

#56 camoor

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 09:50 PM

I will say this, what happened here is a VERY common occurrence when talking about this subject. I am not saying this to rip on anyone or to say your opinion doesnt matter but the reason is because this debate is fueled by a ton of people who are saying thing that would make no sense if you knew the industry.


Sorry I can't believe that your industry is that complicated.



I think we understand the industry just fine.