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CAGcast #267: We Hope They Serve Pancakes In Hell


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#61 TheDrypa

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

I donated money to the EFF, signed several petitions and wrote my Congressmen. Is that nothing?


That's something. I apologize for my hasty conclusion. The subject just really gets me fired up, I can't believe the government is doing this.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:33 PM

Been listening for over 5 years, and always found wombat hilarious

But honestly, his analysis of outsourcing and its effect on the economy is on level with a five year old.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:36 PM

Wombat quote of the show "I think the NFL which is so involved in being family friendly, it wasn't appropriate"..... for an organization called Focus on the Family.

The verse is telling you that you have a choice Wombat. Not to go to hell. I'm sorry you (and probably several others) perceive it that way.

I disagree. If you listen to the ad, which plays at the end of the podcast, it certainly slants toward the "if you don't follow our religion, you are wrong" angle. While that may not be the true purpose of the verse in respect to the rest of the gospel section, singling out that particular verse and reciting it in the manner used is only for the purpose of creating controversy.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:04 PM

I'm a Christian Pastor and I agree with Wombat. I would never hesitate to share my faith in person, or even in this forum, but to just slam it into your face while on television? Yeah, no thanks.

I doubt Wombat would have been near as offended if someone talked to him about the contents of John 3:16 in person than he was getting it in the middle of an NFL game. That's the way Jesus told us to do it anyway.

Also, Wombat, I have now watched the first two seasons of How I Met Your Mother after your initial rage tweet. Thanks for introducing me to the show.


The world needs more of you. Every religion has something to offer and you should you willing to share it...when asked. Don't lead a conversation (or commercial in this case) with it.

And on the greater issue, when you take issue with something in society (like gay marriage) you use your beliefs to compose your side of a discussion but your argument can't be entirely based on that religious belief since it's not shared with everyone. Re-state it so that it includes everyone, not just those you sit with on Sunday.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:17 PM

Also Wombat, I know about 100 episodes ago you bought a car? Was that car assembeled in America(and from an american company)? Just wondering.

And I think that from an economic perspective, I would be much happier if things like shoes and clothes would be made here, as opposed to electronics. If the shit ever hits the fan and china decides to stop sending us shoes and clothes, I think we would be hurt much more than gaming consoles and other electronics. But I do think that none of this is going to happen anytime soon, or probably ever.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:24 PM

I can understand Wombat's boycott. I mean besides Big Bang Theory there is nothing good is on CBS anyways.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

Only two shows keep me watching this channel, and Big Bang Theory is one of them.

Sure we would be happier if our clothes were made domestically, but one person cynically commented about Wombat's understanding of global economics. We would like to save our economy, especially have a manufacturing base here, but most people would actually whine and complain about things being more expensive, blaming many things like cost of capital and unions, just so we can have a $5 bag of socks.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:29 PM

Also Wombat, I know about 100 episodes ago you bought a car? Was that car assembeled in America(and from an american company)? Just wondering.

And I think that from an economic perspective, I would be much happier if things like shoes and clothes would be made here, as opposed to electronics. If the shit ever hits the fan and china decides to stop sending us shoes and clothes, I think we would be hurt much more than gaming consoles and other electronics. But I do think that none of this is going to happen anytime soon, or probably ever.


If it ever hits the fan, the last thing people will be worried about is gaming consoles. Shoes are things that have been made and are relatively the same for over 100 years(mind you until the 1850s there were no left/right shoes, just one shoe for either foot). If it comes down to china refusing to send us shoes, first we have warehouses full of them and second, we could make them very easy with materials we have. Gaming consoles on the other hand, not many people have the tooling or materials to produce them on short notice.

I just bought a pair of new balance shoes, made in america(Boston I think) for the same price as any other foreign made shoe. We need more american made products bottom line.

Big corporations want to sell us their products, then move operations out of the country taking our jobs leaving us with no money to buy their products. It doesn't make sense to me.

If anyone wants to buy american check out this site. I've bought several things recently including the prison blues jeans which are the best jeans ever made.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:31 PM

Yep, religion is the most evil thing invented by man.

Have a little empathy, for people who believe differently than you. Just because people believe something differently doesn't deem them evil. You're just stooping down to your oppositions level, making you no different than them. That's what keeps us down. No matter what you believe, try to keep the love and peace. Thanks. :)
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:36 PM

I have been listening to the show since around ep.100 and have since listened to every single episode multiple times as I listen whilst playing games (meaning that I have listened to literally thousands of hours of CAGCasts..).

I used to love Wombat and thought that he was great on the show, but over the past few months he has been getting more and more annoying to the point where after listening to this episode I felt like I had to make a comment about it.

Normally the ignorant comments about things that he doesn't really know anything about are pretty harmless but when I hear you guys blow off SOPA and PIPA as if they are nothing and tell your listeners that there is nothing to worry about and that they are wasting their time taking action against it I actually got pretty annoyed.. We are not yet safe from SOPA and EVEN IF it is not passed, you can bet that they are going to reword it again and again in the hope that it will slip through.

I don't want to go on about it TOO much but would I be wrong in thinking that if it is passed then Cheapy will almost certain have to take down CAG? Would he not have to go through every single podcast making sure that there is no copyrighted material out of fear of getting a 5 year jail sentence (including the opening and closing songs)?

Basically, I just think that it is very very stupid to make to little of something that could change every single listener of your shows life.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:37 PM

Cheapy, why do you want to PC game on your TV? 1920 x 1080 is the max resolution for your TV, it's going to look horribly stretched out, text will look crappy, etc. I tried that on my 40 inch TV and it sucked.

Plus, keyboard and mouse on your lap? Or do you just want to play games that support controllers?

Stop making it seem like its so difficult, either build a PC (super easy), or buy a nice one, and hook it up to your iMac screen or any other nice monitor. You'll be sitting two feet from the monitor.
But of course, all the Apple cock sucking will tell you that everything needs to be presented in a stupidly shiny interface with everything locked down so you can't mess it up,

I don't get how you guys can IGNORE Skyrim on the PC. The number of mods on there are AMAZING, you can do so much more on that version, but no, you limit yourself because PC GAMING IS JUST TOO DIFFICULT, ITS NOT FOR ME WAAAAA. I CAN'T DO ANYTHNG PAST PUTTING A DISC IN MY CONSOLE!

Oh, and Wombat, I hope that you let your kids make their own choices on religion, because otherwise I'm pretty offended. I don't like when kids that can be easily influenced have their mind made up for them by their parents or someone else. Not trying to offend you or anything, but lets not have double standards on how others can't shlock their religion on to you while you do it with your own family. (You may not actually be guilty of any of this)

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:54 PM

Awesome show guys! I like how nobody reacts to Cheapyd large burp. Gawd damn! lol
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:01 PM

Yep, religion is the most evil thing invented by man.


Religion was a good idea but was corrupted a long time ago.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:06 PM

Taking off a credit card stored on Xbox Live is easy. It's true, it used to be next to impossible but that was several years ago. I'm speaking from first hand experience. I recently put a credit card on their system to get some Windows Phone apps. (For some reason WinPhone only accepts credit cards, not Microsoft points.) After I got what I wanted I was able to take it off no problem.

The note in the address line "DO NOT HELP WITH ACCOUNT RECOVERY" works. I did that. I needed to make a change but they said the account was locked. I couldn't figure it out until I remembered that note and removed it. Then they were willing to help.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 10:06 PM

Cheapy, why do you want to PC game on your TV? 1920 x 1080 is the max resolution for your TV, it's going to look horribly stretched out, text will look crappy, etc. I tried that on my 40 inch TV and it sucked.

Plus, keyboard and mouse on your lap? Or do you just want to play games that support controllers?


A bunch of the guys from Giant Bomb and Tested are using 360 controllers to play PC games on their TVs via HDMI and they all think it works wonderfully.

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Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:26 PM

A bunch of the guys from Giant Bomb and Tested are using 360 controllers to play PC games on their TVs via HDMI and they all think it works wonderfully.


I never said using an Xbox 360 controller didn't work well on the PC with the games that support it. I'm saying his PC games won't look as good on a 60 inch TV with a 1920 x 1080 resolution then with something smaller like a 23 inch monitor with the same resolution.

Same pixels but more space = stretched out crappy looking image. Plus, no one wants to play an FPS game on the PC with a controller.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:53 PM

Personally, I LOVE both of the Boondock Saints movies. As crazy as they are, they're good ol' fun! :)

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:00 AM

CheapyD You REALLY need to watch that Daily Show segment on Foxconn.
http://www.thedailys...12/fear-factory


This American Life did a whole show on it. Really great listening

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:10 AM

I'll just give you the real issues I have with Christianity.

1. The beliefs on gays. It's so archaic. what this is basically like to me: Discrimination/Racism/Intolerance with no logic behind it. If there is any real logic to it, please do enlighten me.

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Please, there is no one unified position on homosexuality in Christianity. Sure many denominations oppose it to varying degrees (some downright hateful) but to claim all Christians have the same belief about gays is simply ignorant.

Next time, Please don't assume Focus on the Family speaks or all Christians (you to Wombat)

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:41 AM

I'll be your date if you go to the Games Journalist thingy in NY Wombat (No Homo). ;)
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:59 AM

I'm saying his PC games won't look as good on a 60 inch TV with a 1920 x 1080 resolution then with something smaller like a 23 inch monitor with the same resolution.


Yes they will, because you sit further away from the TV than a desktop monitor. If you're noticing individual pixels on your TV, you're sitting too close to it.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:24 AM

Yes they will, because you sit further away from the TV than a desktop monitor. If you're noticing individual pixels on your TV, you're sitting too close to it.


That is a good point! But do you just play games optimized for controllers? I know there's plenty, and I do the same like with Dead Space 2/racing games/ Arkham City, etc.

Or do you have a table in front of you with a wireless mouse and keyboard.
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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:39 AM

Okay, just wanted to pop in and throw my two cents into the thread real quick-like ;)


Should any from of religion be thrown in your face? No. Was the commercial thing a bit over-reacted upon? Yes. Honestly people, it really wasn't that bad... Just a verse, being read by children, with emphasis on the "anyone" part, to try and get the message out on what they believe. I do agree on it being the wrong way to go about it, but it's hardly worth getting into a flame war over, as they're just trying to spread the message that they believe in. Now, I'll admit that I do believe in Christianity, but I have big problems with actual religion(with religious propaganda being the biggest offender, to me) and they way churches are being ran today. So(in all fairness), maybe I'd be more outraged if I wasn't of the same belief as that which the commercial supports, but being the way I am about religion makes me honestly think, not so much.

Also, not supporting gay marriage or whatever doesn't mean you hate them, so I'm not sure how that makes you a "hate" group. Not saying I'm of the sort, you should be able to do whatever you want as that's part of being free, and I'll touch more on that later.

So, since when did not supporting the lifestyle make you a homophobe? I know people who are openly gay, and I have contact with them nearly every day in passing... But I don't hate them. Being a Christian means believing what the Bible says, and while a good bit of it is open for interpretation, some of it is pretty clear(to nearly most of us). So we don't think that being gay is "right", but true Christians do not hate gay people. I do not. I don't even mind being around them, as some of them are the nicest people you could ever meet. The main principle in the Bible is love, you're supposed to show that toward everyone, not just people who are of the same belief as yourself. I, personally, don't believe in it - but far be it from me to keep anyone from living the way they see fit(so long as they aren't harming anyone), or believing in whatever they want. I mean, that's one of the key points in the Bible itself, too. Free will. We all have the free will to choose to do, or don't do, whatever it is we like. It's spoken of many times in the scriptures, and it's only of the most amazing things about humankind.

The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used.


Do you really think I could start a fast food restaurant called McDonaldz and use the golden arches as my logo and get away with it?

 

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 01:42 AM

That is a good point! But do you just play games optimized for controllers? I know there's plenty, and I do the same like with Dead Space 2/racing games/ Arkham City, etc.

Or do you have a table in front of you with a wireless mouse and keyboard.


Controller for games that support it, mouse/keyboard for games that don't:

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:36 AM

Have a little empathy, for people who believe differently than you. Just because people believe something differently doesn't deem them evil. You're just stooping down to your oppositions level, making you no different than them. That's what keeps us down. No matter what you believe, try to keep the love and peace. Thanks. :)


What?! I said religion is evil not the people. I don't care what other people believe as long as they don't push their agenda on me.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:39 AM

Okay, just wanted to pop in and throw my two cents into the thread real quick-like ;)


Should any from of religion be thrown in your face? No. Was the commercial thing a bit over-reacted upon? Yes. Honestly people, it really wasn't that bad... Just a verse, being read by children, with emphasis on the "anyone" part, to try and get the message out on what they believe. I do agree on it being the wrong way to go about it, but it's hardly worth getting into a flame war over, as they're just trying to spread the message that they believe in. Now, I'll admit that I do believe in Christianity, but I have big problems with actual religion(with religious propaganda being the biggest offender, to me) and they way churches are being ran today. So(in all fairness), maybe I'd be more outraged if I wasn't of the same belief as that which the commercial supports, but being the way I am about religion makes me honestly think, not so much.

Also, not supporting gay marriage or whatever doesn't mean you hate them, so I'm not sure how that makes you a "hate" group. Not saying I'm of the sort, you should be able to do whatever you want as that's part of being free, and I'll touch more on that later.

So, since when did not supporting the lifestyle make you a homophobe? I know people who are openly gay, and I have contact with them nearly every day in passing... But I don't hate them. Being a Christian means believing what the Bible says, and while a good bit of it is open for interpretation, some of it is pretty clear(to nearly most of us). So we don't think that being gay is "right", but true Christians do not hate gay people. I do not. I don't even mind being around them, as some of them are the nicest people you could ever meet. The main principle in the Bible is love, you're supposed to show that toward everyone, not just people who are of the same belief as yourself. I, personally, don't believe in it - but far be it from me to keep anyone from living the way they see fit(so long as they aren't harming anyone), or believing in whatever they want. I mean, that's one of the key points in the Bible itself, too. Free will. We all have the free will to choose to do, or don't do, whatever it is we like. It's spoken of many times in the scriptures, and it's only of the most amazing things about humankind.


Man, Christianity sure makes prejudice easy when we can pick and choose which parts are gospel (pardon the pun) and which parts are "open to interpretation." Slavery's not PC anymore, so that's obviously a metaphor, but there's still enough people with sticks up their asses (bitter irony) to allow the "keep the queers out of my church" attitude to thrive like mold under the fridge, so we can follow those passages chapter and verse (dammit, these puns are so easy) and pretend we're not centering our lives around an outdated text written in a time when the pants were still a hot scientific breakthrough. Congratulations on being a polite bigot, though, baby steps!


Also, why was I not told about wireless HDMI before know? Dynamite setup.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:49 AM

Also, not supporting gay marriage or whatever doesn't mean you hate them, so I'm not sure how that makes you a "hate" group. Not saying I'm of the sort, you should be able to do whatever you want as that's part of being free, and I'll touch more on that later.


Yes, because you are systematically denying rights to a group for no Goddamn reason. It may not be active, it may be coated in hypocritical "love", but the looking down on them implied in your post is gross.

and Splatoon is right. There are a ton of other things the bible also calls "not right" that people are perfectly happy to ignore.

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric

Don't cut your hair nor shave

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals.


but yeah let's just focus on the Gays..

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:57 AM

Man, Christianity sure makes prejudice easy when we can pick and choose which parts are gospel (pardon the pun) and which parts are "open to interpretation." Slavery's not PC anymore, so that's obviously a metaphor, but there's still enough people with sticks up their asses (bitter irony) to allow the "keep the queers out of my church" attitude to thrive like mold under the fridge, so we can follow those passages chapter and verse (dammit, these puns are so easy) and pretend we're not centering our lives around an outdated text written in a time when the pants were still a hot scientific breakthrough. Congratulations on being a polite bigot, though, baby steps!


Also, why was I not told about wireless HDMI before know? Dynamite setup.


I'm not sure where the latter part of your post came from, or even if you're just generalizing or directing it towards me, so I'll just respond to the first part - which you quoted me on.

I'm not saying you should pick and choose what you want, and live by those standards alone. Heck, I said to be a Christian is to live by the Bible itself. If it makes you feel any better, I'll say that it's all up for interpretation. However, certain parts will be interpreted the same way by 99% of people that do so. That's all I meant by that specific part of my post, that the parts in the Bible that touch on homosexuality seem pretty clear, at least to me, anyway. As do most of the other key points. All I meant by the "up for interpretation" parts is on the nitpicky stuff that doesn't even matter, like the hardcore Christians that don't even think women should wear pants, and will argue over it until they're red in the face.

In the end, as I said earlier, I don't care what you, the people down the street, and the people I pass by every day do(again, as long as it's not hurting anyone) or believe in(though, of course, I'd like for everyone to believe the same as me ;) ), and I don't think anyone should be forced or held back one way or the other. Anyone should be able to go wherever, do whatever, and live however they want.

The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used.


Do you really think I could start a fast food restaurant called McDonaldz and use the golden arches as my logo and get away with it?

 

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 03:08 AM

Yes, because you are systematically denying rights to a group for no Goddamn reason. It may not be active, it may be coated in hypocritical "love", but the looking down on them implied in your post is gross.

and Splatoon is right. There are a ton of other things the bible also calls "not right" that people are perfectly happy to ignore.

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric

Don't cut your hair nor shave

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed.

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God

If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals.


but yeah let's just focus on the Gays..


As far as I know, they're just against it. I have no knowledge of them organizing protests, causing any kind of hate crimes, or causing people to look down upon someone who lives differently than they believe. If they do/have, then I retract my statement. Again, I stated that I wasn't a part of it, nor did I say that I agreed with everything FotF says or does.

Much of what you quoted there is what is referred to as Old Testament Law, while some of it is a bit over-exaggerated. It was in place to try and keep yourself as pure as possible, as in the Christian religion, Jesus had not yet come to die for all man's sins. People had to rely on living by God's law, which is to try and remain as sinless as possible, and offer up pure sacrifices. After Jesus came to die, most of that changed, as it was no longer necessary to try and be perfect. Though you're still supposed to try and do your best. Again, this is just the belief system of Christians, and all I'm trying to better explain it to you.

I'm not focusing on the Gays, and nor should Christians, I was only speaking about it as it was the issue that came up.

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And with that, I'm going to bed. :) Again, not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers... Just trying to explain a bit better what I believe and expressing my opinion on the matter.

The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used.


Do you really think I could start a fast food restaurant called McDonaldz and use the golden arches as my logo and get away with it?

 

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 03:17 AM

I didn't expect the cagcast to be what I got but it was a great episode.

With regards to the Tebow/Focus on the Family ad I agree with Wombat about it. I don't really have a problem with John 3:16 as many religions have that type of believe in us or else message but I do have a problem with Focus on the Family. And this isn't the first time that Viacom has had a Focus on the Family ad as well.

At least Brian Schottenheimer is gone?

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