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#1 Spanky

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 04:46 PM

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This is a petition to include body modification as part of the equal opportunity act. As someone who has tattoos and piercings I fully support this.
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#2 Kerig

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:27 PM

As someone who has none, I would support this as well so long as there are some "limitations" imposed:

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There are many places of employment that forbid any visible tattoos whatsoever. That's definitely something that should be addressed until better tattoo removal methods exist.

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#3 dothog

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:29 PM

Why should it be included?
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#4 powercreep

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:42 PM

Pass. Were I a business owner I would not want someone with a tattooed puzzle face/horns/giant gaping ear lobes to represent me and my business. The amount of business lost because of employees who look like that would be far greater than any business gained because of them. Is that fair? No, but it is reality. If I owned a tattoo shop it'd be a different story.

Unfortunately, most of the imagery associated with tattoos and piercings are often disgusting and offensive to most people. While I don't have a problem with people doing whatever they want to themselves, I'm not sure I want to take my wife out for a night of fine dining and be waited on by someone with 100 piercings in their face.


If you want to extensively mod your body on the non-clothed area, fine. Just know that a minimum wage job and the circus are the best you'll probably ever do.

I say all of that as a male who has worn earrings, had a tongue piercing, and is currently contemplating a mid-life crisis tattoo. I just know that for my job there are things I can and cannot do to my body. My tat will be covered and there is no metal in my head while at work.

#5 powercreep

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 06:44 PM

As someone who has none, I would support this as well so long as there are some "limitations" imposed:

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There are many places of employment that forbid any visible tattoos whatsoever. That's definitely something that should be addressed until better tattoo removal methods exist.


That's the problem though, isn't it? If a unicorn tat on your arm is expressing yourself, so is Fuck you on your forehead. The thing is, there's always something offensive to someone so better to not just have it visible at all, IMO.

#6 enemyofusall

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:19 PM

I doubt this will ever happen and i think it's laughable they mention religion in the petition. As someone said above, if the tat is offensive, and visible at all times they have the right to decline employment.

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#7 lolwhat

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:32 PM

The problem isn't tattoos, it's just most people have really poor taste.

#8 eldergamer

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 07:58 PM

If you're choosing to do it, it isn't a Human Right. This isnt something you have no control over like race, creed, sexual orientation, etc.

Unless you're being forcibly branded, your choice of "body modification" isn't an essential right.

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

That's the problem though, isn't it? If a unicorn tat on your arm is expressing yourself, so is Fuck you on your forehead. The thing is, there's always something offensive to someone so better to not just have it visible at all, IMO.


Everyone has to cry about something, if you don't like it, look away or ignore it. It doesn't hinder your religion and what you believe in. Your and their freedom of speech is still in-tack. I mean seriously, if you don't like it why do people let things like this control and over take their lives?

If you are the employer and you don't like that stuff, then don't hire those people. Life seems so simple, but it's only a test to see if you can fit into other people's ideals. It's a freakin scam and a travesty. I know why I don't wonder why people commit suicide.

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#10 dopa345

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:08 PM

Eldergamer hit the nail on the head. If it's a voluntary practice, it doesn't deserve special protection as a human right.

#11 Soodmeg

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 10:19 PM

This is fucking stupid and only selfish assholes do things like this.

As a person who has many tattoos, I fully knew when I was getting them that they would prevent me from doing certain jobs. I voluntarily choose to get them and thus should have to live with the consequences. I picked a career in which how you look doesnt matter (ironically being a camera op the talent in front of the camera has the most pressure on looks in the world) No one is forcing you to get 10 god damn piercing in your face.

Talk about having your cake and eating it.

#12 RedvsBlue

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Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:58 PM

If you're choosing to do it, it isn't a Human Right. This isnt something you have no control over like race, creed, sexual orientation, etc.

Unless you're being forcibly branded, your choice of "body modification" isn't an essential right.


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#13 unopepito06

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 12:44 AM

I don't think this should have anything to do with (or be anywhere in) the equal opportunity act. I'm totally cool with anything people wanna do to themselves or any way they wanna look (I'm no conservative of any kind, I have both ears pierced with large captive hoops, no tattoos though - it's cool with me).

However, you can't expect employers the country over to hire people with extreme body modification for jobs in which they're going to be interacting with the public, or are in a professional setting.

It's not always about what the manager/owner/employee thinks, it's about what the customers and the public think, and having a dude with a giant swastika/gang signs/profanity all over his face, or a giant bar sticking through his septum is gonna freak most people out, and they're not gonna come back to your place of business. That's the main issue.
I mean, I've seen stuck-up asshole people get weirded out when there's a disabled person working somewhere. A guy with a physical or mental disability is trying to lead a normal life and work a job at Walmart, and people don't want anything to do with them, they look at them like they are freaks. And these are people who we as a society are taught may be less fortunate than us, and need our collective help, and even they get ostracized. Could you imagine what the reaction would be to a heavily tatooed/pierced person in that situation? People whom society already often consider freaks? Customers wouldn't stand for it.

I'm sorry Jeremy, you can be a lizard man if you want, but you're not gonna get the good jobs. Them's the breaks.

Apparently your comment was so full of rage and anger that you immediately fell asleep. That's a new level of rage.


#14 Sycowulf

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 01:29 AM

If you're choosing to do it, it isn't a Human Right. This isnt something you have no control over like race, creed, sexual orientation, etc.

Unless you're being forcibly branded, your choice of "body modification" isn't an essential right.


By that reasoning you should be able to not hire someone because of religion (since in this country it is a 100% choice).

I support this petition completely.

#15 dohdough

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:07 AM

By that reasoning you should be able to not hire someone because of religion

Hah...wut? No it isn't because...

(since in this country it is a 100% choice).

....this isn't exactly true. The community you're born and socialized in pretty much determines your religious leanings. When christians start tattooing the Sistine Chapel on their face instead of wearing crucifixes, we can talk. Muslim women are also discriminated against for wearing a hijab all the time, but that's also something slightly different.

I support this petition completely.

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Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:17 AM

As someone with visible tatts on my forearms, I do NOT agree with this stupid shit. You know the deal when you "modified" your body, so don't act like a bitch about it now.
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#17 Tony Stark

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:18 AM

I will settle the argument

You want to modify your body? that IS your Human Right

But as an employer they have the right to obtain profit legally

How do you expect them to obtain customers with this showing iPods?
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#18 Confucius

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 06:21 AM

This petition is an insult to people who are actually discriminated against for employment and housing.

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#19 RedRingOfDeath

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 08:30 AM

This is stupid. If people are dumb enough to get tattoos and piercings all over where they are visible when wearing normal clothing or a uniform then they deserve what they get...

Tattooing and body piercing is a choice. If you CHOOSE to get tattoos/piercings in a way that may affect your job opportunities then that is YOUR problem. Not Americas nor the businesses' problem. No one is forced to get, or born with tattoos or piercings. What a complete joke. I am all for tattoos, dont get me wrong...but trying to make people who get tattoos protected under federal law from "discrimination" is total BS... Tattoos and piercings are a choice, just like it is the choice of the employer of whether or not to hire someone with visible tattoos and/or piercings.

We all make choices in life. You just have to deal with it. If you chose to do something stupid you have to live with the consequences. Plain and simple. I like tattoos but am not about to get one on my face, or get "sleeves" or anything like that where the tattoo(s) would be visible while at work, nor would I pierce the sh!t out of my face or anything like that because that would be moronic as I know that would definitely impact my ability to gain employment. Therefore I would only have my dumb-ass self to blame if I did just that.

Unbelievable the sh!t that people come up with...totally unbelievable... Like confooshous said, it is a complete insult to people who are born with disabilities or who are discriminated due to race or religion. Totally ridiculous...

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#20 Ced

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 07:42 PM

To the best of my knowledge, EOE protection for religion is there to prevent an employer from explicitly asking questions such as "Are you this religion" and using that as a factor in the hiring decision making. Body modification falls under dress code. It was your choice to look the way you did at the interview, so don't think you deserve a pass simply because of your life decisions.

Also the way the petition is worded is awfully backhanded and insulting since it insinuates that most people with body modifications have never held "respectable jobs" due to their self-inflicted condition.

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#22 smallsharkbigbite

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:00 PM

It's kind of pointless to make this a law. If your looks bother the employer they'll find something legal to deny you the position. It's like age discrimination. Technically it's illegal to not hire a 60 yr old person but it's not like you can keep that a secret at an interview so it happens all the time. While it's illegal it's almost impossible to prove. Seems like a waste of time to me unless you like the idea of a tattooed individual not getting a job then suing the employer and flooding the court system.

#23 Tony Stark

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:09 PM

It's kind of pointless to make this a law. If your looks bother the employer they'll find something legal to deny you the position. It's like age discrimination. Technically it's illegal to not hire a 60 yr old person but it's not like you can keep that a secret at an interview so it happens all the time. While it's illegal it's almost impossible to prove. Seems like a waste of time to me unless you like the idea of a tattooed individual not getting a job then suing the employer and flooding the court system.


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#24 Spokker

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:27 PM

It's pointless because businesses have already relaxed standards. I went to Chase the other day and my teller tattooed the shit out of his neck.

Companies like Disney haven't relaxed their tattoo standards yet, but they have relaxed standards on jewelry, beards and sideburns. Who needs a petition?

#25 MushaOne

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:57 PM

I think they should go the opposite way. Let a business hire whoever they want based on whatever criteria they have. If they dont want to hire women, they shouldnt have to. If they only want to hire tattood eskimos then more power to them.

And there are plenty of Hot Topics across the country for all you wannabe artists who let other people tattoo their own designs on your body.

#26 Tony Stark

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:00 PM

It's pointless because businesses have already relaxed standards. I went to Chase the other day and my teller tattooed the shit out of his neck.

Companies like Disney haven't relaxed their tattoo standards yet, but they have relaxed standards on jewelry, beards and sideburns. Who needs a petition?


yeah, but i will be damned if some super tattooed person is standing next to Mickey when my child wants a picture

you choose to get tattoos/piercings then you choose to be unemployed or almost no options for employment

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#27 Spokker

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:14 PM

you choose to get tattoos/piercings then you choose to be unemployed or almost no options for employment

But what I'm saying is that those options are growing. When I grew up my dad used to say, "Get a tattoo? Good luck working at the bank or any office." He was right at the time and right to say it, but standards are changing. There's my bank teller anecdote, and I can also report that one of my professors, a very intelligent and accomplished academic, has his forearms tattooed. He wears long-sleeved shirts to hide them but they are still very apparent.

I imagine that tattoos remain a deterrent, but if you can overcome them with qualifications, you may do well.

The problem is that many people who are attracted to tattoos are shitheads anyway so it doesn't much matter.

Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but you can't deny that standards are changing.

#28 levi333

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

As soon as they put "ugly" on the list we can talk.

#29 Tony Stark

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:28 PM

But what I'm saying is that those options are growing. When I grew up my dad used to say, "Get a tattoo? Good luck working at the bank or any office." He was right at the time and right to say it, but standards are changing. There's my bank teller anecdote, and I can also report that one of my professors, a very intelligent and accomplished academic, has his forearms tattooed. He wears long-sleeved shirts to hide them but they are still very apparent.

I imagine that tattoos remain a deterrent, but if you can overcome them with qualifications, you may do well.

The problem is that many people who are attracted to tattoos are shitheads anyway so it doesn't much matter.

Like I said, I agree with you in principle, but you can't deny that standards are changing.


Yeah, but him hiding the tattoos doesnt make standards changing he is still hiding them or attempting to

someone used an example of a bank teller, last time I checked a bank teller isnt a very "profitable" job, its like the equivalent of a McDonalds manager, prolly making $20,000+ a year

you will never see a CEO tat tat tatted up

in fact all those reality shows where there are Tattoo owners, they arent even tatted up as much as random people

personally I did a business plan for a local tattoo shop and the owners only had a couple and they were hidden for the most part

tramp stamp story: I used to work at a restaurant, I worked in the kitchen but when I had time I would pop my head out and stand at the entrance at the kitchen for air. Well one of the waitresses was 25-ish, nice looking as well, and she was cleaning off a table and bent over and her tramp stamp was showing and customers were talking about it I saw them

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#30 smallsharkbigbite

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 10:31 PM

As soon as they put "ugly" on the list we can talk.


I read a study one time where ugly people were less likely to be hired and less likely to make as much as attractive people. Body modification is just an offshoot of "ugly" since most people view facial tattoos/piercings as unacceptable appearance.