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#211 xxDOYLExx

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:00 AM

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:08 AM

*sigh* I've said it once, and I'm sure I'll keep on saying it, the only real utility of the vs. forum is to weed out the idiots who need put on ignore.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:27 AM

I hope the home owner gets a jury and walks with no charges. What, was the old man supposed to wait until he gets his skull crushed in so that you liberals out there can see he has the right to use force? He was obviously intimidated and in fear of his life.

"I didn't think I could handle this guy physically" says everything. Who are you guys to say he didn't perceive a clear danger, you weren't there!


Not to worry - the guy walked.

This whole case proves why jury of your peers was a good idea.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:05 AM

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:20 AM

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:24 AM

Holy Fuck balls. :(

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 12:54 AM

I'm telling you, it's too easy to get a gun license.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 02:44 AM

http://news.yahoo.co...-044537742.html


Read that story earlier today , more news that makes me sad to be a floridian.

I'm telling you, it's too easy to get a gun license.


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Posted 09 March 2012 - 03:40 PM

I wonder where knoell is with his imminent threat defense. I'd say that the victim here was the kid that bought some skittles and an ice tea as every decision of the shooter after seeing this kid is basically indefensible.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:40 PM

Well, being a young black male satisfies "imminent threat" in the subconsciousness (or unspoken consciousness) of many Americans.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:45 PM

Well I'm sure the kid looked at him suspiciously or something, right? I mean no way is the guy at fault here. He's a white guy in a gated community and saw a black kid walking down his neighborhood street, totally justifiable.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 04:55 PM

Well I'm sure the kid looked at him suspiciously or something, right? I mean no way is the guy at fault here. He's a white guy in a gated community and saw a black kid walking down his neighborhood street, totally justifiable.

Zimmerman, the shooter, probably had Type 1 diabetes and upon seeing a black kid walking around a predominantly white neighborhood eating some delicious skittles and having a refreshing bottle of iced tea, Zimmerman realized that Martin, the "victim," was intending to kill him by making him chug a bottle of iced tea and eat some skittles. Imminent threat established! See, it has nothing to do with race at all!

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 07:44 PM

I can't believe that guy wasn't arrested.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 08:27 PM

I can't believe that guy wasn't arrested.


Really? You think it's that important to lockup a guy who overzealously protects his neighbor's property?

No wonder the US prison system is overcrowded.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:42 PM

Really? You think it's that important to lockup a guy who overzealously protects his neighbor's property?

No wonder the US prison system is overcrowded.


I was talking about the most recent story, in Florida. Is that what you're talking about? The "neighborhood watch" guy shot and killed his neighbor's son in front of the neighbor's house, but he apparently wasn't arrested.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:48 PM

I was talking about the most recent story, in Florida. Is that what you're talking about? The "neighborhood watch" guy shot and killed his neighbor's son in front of the neighbor's house, but he apparently wasn't arrested.


No I havent been following the thread for a while. It got kinda ridiculous and I bailed.

That actually sounds pretty bad.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 09:59 PM


ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.
Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

http://news.yahoo.co...-044537742.html

Zimmerman was previously arrested for assault on an officer: http://www.wftv.com/...ood-has-/nLPgL/

Fleming(61 years old) was actually arrested for what he did; Zimmerman(26 years old and studies law) wasn't and he actually killed someone instead of firing into the ground. We are in Bizarro-World.

Just so people don't have to go fishing for facts:
- Zimmerman saw Martin walking on the street and called 911(it's assumed that Zimmerman was in his car because he was stalking Martin in it)
- 911 told Zimmerman to stay put and wait for the cops
- Zimmerman is quoted as saying "They always get away" on the 911 recording
- A fight occurs
- Within 2 minutes of the 911 call, Martin was shot in the chest
- After the shot, 6 neighbors called 911 to report a fight and shooting

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:11 PM

I was talking about the most recent story, in Florida. Is that what you're talking about? The "neighborhood watch" guy shot and killed his neighbor's son in front of the neighbor's house, but he apparently wasn't arrested.



Now the FL story is a tragedy. No other way to put it; however before we label it as a crime and a racially motivated one at that, it might help to let all the "facts" be reported; not just what the press has released so far---that a white man killed a black kid.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:33 PM

Now the FL story is a tragedy. No other way to put it; however before we label it as a crime and a racially motivated one at that, it might help to let all the "facts" be reported; not just what the press has released so far---that a white man killed a black kid.

Uhhh...what?

The kid was fucking walking down the street back to his father's house, Zimmerman called 911, got his gun, stalked the kid, got into an altercation AFTER 911 TOLD HIM TO WAIT FOR THE FUCKING COPS, and shot him dead. How many more facts would you need to make a judgement? It isn't just that a white man killed a black kid, which is bad in itself, but the fact that he STILL wasn't arrested 10 DAYS AFTER THE INCIDENT.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:37 PM

He should have just fired into the ground, that'd be totally justified as well, a "warning shot".
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:41 PM

He should have just fired into the ground, that'd be totally justified as well, a "warning shot".

It wouldn't surprise me if Zimmerman keenly followed the Fleming case and assumed that he get more support.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:43 PM

Nah, cases like that don't inspire people to go out and do similar things.
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 10:52 PM

Nah, cases like that don't inspire people to go out and do similar things.

I agree that the average person wouldn't, but a captain of the neighborhood watch in a primarily white gated community might be.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:20 PM

No no, this was clearly a case of a man defending his neighborhood from sugar fueled children. Why that kid may have walked on is lawn.

He may have walked on all their lawns.:shock:
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Posted 09 March 2012 - 11:31 PM

Now the FL story is a tragedy. No other way to put it; however before we label it as a crime and a racially motivated one at that, it might help to let all the "facts" be reported; not just what the press has released so far---that a white man killed a black kid.


I don't care if it's a racially motivated crime or not, unless the kid was beating him with a baseball bat with barbed wire, he shot a kid for no good reason. What good reason would there be for him to shoot the kid?
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Posted 10 March 2012 - 05:02 PM

I don't care if it's a racially motivated crime or not, unless the kid was beating him with a baseball bat with barbed wire, he shot a kid for no good reason. What good reason would there be for him to shoot the kid?


He could always say, "I couldn't handle this guy physically." That seems to be an acceptable reason to discharge a firearm on city streets (or a neighbor's property) these days.

I haven't run into a problem like this yet but I'm definitely wary being the only black man in my neighborhood. I made sure I met every neighbor within 4 houses in any direction. I'd hate to be the guy that got shot trying to "break into his own house." So far, everyone is super nice but it just takes one cowboy that believes that the justice system has broken down.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:30 PM

He could always say, "I couldn't handle this guy physically." That seems to be an acceptable reason to discharge a firearm on city streets (or a neighbor's property) these days.

I haven't run into a problem like this yet but I'm definitely wary being the only black man in my neighborhood. I made sure I met every neighbor within 4 houses in any direction. I'd hate to be the guy that got shot trying to "break into his own house." So far, everyone is super nice but it just takes one cowboy that believes that the justice system has broken down.

It's a damn fucking shame that you have to do that as to not be suspected of being a criminal and possibly killed because you're black, which seems to be an increasing trend these days. Imagine having to socialize your kids into that racist bullshit.

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 06:33 PM

the line b/w race and criminality isn't entirely new. most legal/historical accounts trace it back to the CRA/civil rights movements. some argue it goes back to Jim Crow (if you read, say, Jeff Manza's work on race and felon disenfranchisement laws).

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 07:15 PM

It's a damn fucking shame that you have to do that as to not be suspected of being a criminal and possibly killed because you're black, which seems to be an increasing trend these days. Imagine having to socialize your kids into that racist bullshit.


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