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CAGcast #276: My Back Hurts and I'm Doing a Podcast


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#61 bickle

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:14 PM

Warren Sapp said it was Shockey.


The snitch was probably the Exchange server. The NFL probably requisitioned email archives and went through a discovery process to see if there was any evidence. Payton was quoted as telling coaches to have all their "ducks in a row", that sounds like something that came from an email.

Back to games....I think anyone expecting a new ending to ME3 is sorely mistaken. Muzyka's announcement says nothing of the sort. Here's the exact quote:

"Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."


That sounds like plugging plot holes (which are pretty damned big), and not constructing a new ending.

#62 Dark Rider

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:48 PM

Wombat, you need to become a Carolina Panthers fan. The team was completely re-built last year and is in a place to make a play off run this year. A great coach, a quarterback with a lot of talent behind him, and after the draft, hopefully a beastly defense. Just wait, Panthers have a prime opportunity this year with the self-destruction of the Saints.
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Anyway, great show as always! Also, I would love to see "cheap thrills" come back.

#63 kube00

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:52 PM

Don't worry Wombat Tebow will screw up somehow with the Jets. Cheap nice reference of Equilibrium, and Wombat you need to see that movie

#64 KingBroly

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:21 AM

Wombat, you need to become a Carolina Panthers fan. The team was completely re-built last year and is in a place to make a play off run this year. A great coach, a quarterback with a lot of talent behind him, and after the draft, hopefully a beastly defense. Just wait, Panthers have a prime opportunity this year with the self-destruction of the Saints.
Plus, we have an awesome logo.

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Anyway, great show as always! Also, I would love to see "cheap thrills" come back.


You couldn't even post the new logo out of embarrassment. And calling Ron 'I'll give the Saints 3 free points' Rivera a great coach? For shame.

Wombat, you need to become a fan of the 18-time Off-Season Champions of the World Washington Redskins! Not only will your relationship be a long distance one since you live in New York (only having to go through heartbreak twice a year at most because they play the Giants), but we'll have a rookie QB incoming as well as a surprising hate for all things NFL Management related.
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#65 usickenme

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:30 AM

No offense but talking about the ending/ ending consequences without experiencing them is pointless

#66 Energy Penguin

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 01:51 AM

"Whose writing your jokes, me?," is one of the funniest things you have ever said, Wombat.

#67 metallicoholic

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:36 AM

Reading all these arguments regarding Mass Effect as someone that hasn't played any of the games is surreal. I recently picked up the second game and have been looking for the first; however, given the nature of these discussions regarding DLC and the order in which to play them, I'm considering just not starting the games at all. In order to get the full experience, I not only have to buy DLC but play them in the right order and at the right time. I'm sure it's a worthwhile experience for those that have already played, but for an outsider like me, it sounds too strenuous.

Good to hear Shipwreck's thoughts on Kid Icarus: Uprising, though his brief description didn't really convince me one way or another about it. Is there going to be a full review by chance? I'm torn on the whole control issue. I'm not left-handed but I keep hearing that the on-foot levels are atrocious. Just hearing that you have to "spin the stylus like a globe" makes me scratch my head in confusion... and I have a globe.

Oh, and greatest show title ever.
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#68 combatFlexo

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:18 AM

The Lions are coming into there own. Especially after locking up Calvin Johnson and Stafford looking like a real QB. Join the band wagon now...that new wildcat should be interesting this year....NOT!

Also when Cheapy is talking to Tai, get your football talk in. Great show.

Also prediction all next gen console are going to be download only...say goodbye disk. You mine as well hop on the PC band wagon as well, lots of free-to-play games and already we don't need disk. Then maybe console won't hold the PC gamers back with there dismal graphics.

#69 apathylad

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:24 AM

Reading all these arguments regarding Mass Effect as someone that hasn't played any of the games is surreal. I recently picked up the second game and have been looking for the first; however, given the nature of these discussions regarding DLC and the order in which to play them, I'm considering just not starting the games at all. In order to get the full experience, I not only have to buy DLC but play them in the right order and at the right time. I'm sure it's a worthwhile experience for those that have already played, but for an outsider like me, it sounds too strenuous.

Good to hear Shipwreck's thoughts on Kid Icarus: Uprising, though his brief description didn't really convince me one way or another about it. Is there going to be a full review by chance? I'm torn on the whole control issue. I'm not left-handed but I keep hearing that the on-foot levels are atrocious. Just hearing that you have to "spin the stylus like a globe" makes me scratch my head in confusion... and I have a globe.

Oh, and greatest show title ever.


I played Kid Icarus at WonderCon. You essentially "flick" the screen with the stylus like you would a globe to make pit turn around and aim at something offscreen. I can see it taking some getting used to.

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:00 AM

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 04:14 AM

should hitler be dlc for the next hot shots golf

#72 MSUHitman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

First from the previous episode a correction for Wombat: the extra character in the Signature Edition of Dragon Age II (Sebastian) was available as a seperate day 1 purchase for $7. This has always made me wonder where all the people were bitching about that, but I guess the difference of being included for preordering early, vs. being free for a CE makes that much difference? Also something to note about Sebastian: all of his quests and how he interacted with the rest of the group, was covered in the strat guide for DA 2 while Javik is completely absent from the ME 3 strat guide.

Also I can't wait for you guys to get done with the game so I can hear a podcaster's take on what I'll call for spoilers sake the S.I. theory about the ending.

Shadow Broker and Arrival have both been officially declared by Bioware to have happened regardless if you played them or not. If you don't play Zaeed, Kasumi, Firewalker, or Overload, those events never happen and they are not in ME 3 (the shuttle pilot and Freddie Prince Jr. have an argument in the shuttle bay at one point on Mako vs. Hammerhead and the shuttle pilot tells you the fate of the Hammerhead, while you run into the 2 main characters of Overload in distress call mission side quests, and Kasumi/Zaeed are in Citadel side quests and can be recruited as war assets.)

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#73 Ravenhood

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:57 AM

Good show, as usual, though I need to comment on Cheapy/his friends' views on Goichi Suda.

Suda is the CEO of Grasshopper. The fact that he conceptualizes many of the companies' games AND runs the company is a bit of a miracle. It takes a lot to come up with a game concept that works, but to do so while running the company must be insanely hectic.

He probably comes across as short-tempered or hard to work with because, well, he's the boss. He has to worry about the company as a whole, so of course he's going to make sure the games turn out as perfectly as they possibly can. The same things have been said about Shiguru Miyamoto, yet nobody calls him out on it, unless it's Satoru Iwata commenting on how Miyamoto is a perfectionist.

Cheapy's been bad-talking Grasshopper a few too many times now, and at first I could forgive it for being a matter of opinion, but now it's like he's trying to turn it into a running joke. It is, of course, all still a matter of opinion, but at least understand where those involved in your stories are coming from when you talk about them. Suda works hard for the successes Grasshopper has made, and he deserves better than this bashing you've started (especially considering, as far as you've mentioned in the podcasts, you don't play Grasshopper games, so really, you aren't one to judge them or the company anyways).

Grasshopper, as a company, and Suda, as a director/producer, will remain my favorites in the industry no matter what anybody says. When it comes to running the company and trying to get products made right, I would expect no less than being, at the very least, a bit tough in development.

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#74 super_ultra

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 09:18 AM

About the Giant Bomb stuff:
In the last jar video, Jeff Gerstmann was saying at first they didn't want to take any money, gifts, trips, etc. from game companies so people wouldn't accuse them of being biased or influenced by those companies when it came to coverage or reviews of games on Giant Bomb. When they realized people were still coming up with insane conspiracy theories and accusing them of being paid by game companies to write certain things they said, "fuck it" and just decided to accept whatever the game companies gave them. Maybe that has to do with ads sometimes showing up or not showing up on the site. Also, I think they must have been doing at least somewhat well if CBSi decided to buy them up.
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#75 davidb69

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 12:11 PM

Yes, then you are right, that is the canon. Still how she took over it is a large plot point, that I can see being confusing for someone who hasn't played the DLC. Which was more of the point I was trying to make.

I was also confused as you guys made it sound as though you still had the old Shadow Broker in your ME3 game.



Personally I would think it would be nice when importing your character if something was DLC in previous games there would be some sort of summary if it involves a plot point in other games. I am a sucker and bought all DLC for 1 and 2 but can see how confusing and wonder what the hell a shadow broker was in 3 if you never played the DLC. They will never do it because from their view point they are probably still trying to make some money from it.
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#76 evantrees

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 02:15 PM

For the record, the language spoken in Sine Mora (which itself is Latin for "Without Delay") is Hungarian and not Japanese or gibberish. Seriously, what is it with you Americans and your inability to distinguish languages?

Another reason to be interested in it. But 360 only at least at the moment booo.

#77 trip1eX

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 03:49 PM

Wombat might as well just cut off his right arm since it is so useless.

#78 MSUHitman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

About the Giant Bomb stuff:
In the last jar video, Jeff Gerstmann was saying at first they didn't want to take any money, gifts, trips, etc. from game companies so people wouldn't accuse them of being biased or influenced by those companies when it came to coverage or reviews of games on Giant Bomb. When they realized people were still coming up with insane conspiracy theories and accusing them of being paid by game companies to write certain things they said, "fuck it" and just decided to accept whatever the game companies gave them. Maybe that has to do with ads sometimes showing up or not showing up on the site. Also, I think they must have been doing at least somewhat well if CBSi decided to buy them up.


I think the huge drop in Gamespot's popularity post-Gertsmann Gate, plus IGN swallowing up 1UP and Gamespy, plus Vox Media gutting Joystiq's staff and creating a new site with lots of funding behind it, made CBSi realize they had to step up and Giant Bomb was the biggest acquisition that could be made.

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#79 ebok007

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 06:24 PM

I'm gonna start needing to do ecstasy and wearing more neon with the current run of 90's electronica intros Cheapy's been on.

I am just starting the episode, so I can only imagine that the continued Mass Effect 3 ending controversy is touched on. I have yet to buy it (like a true CAG, waiting for a nice sale), but all these complaints make it really hard to be excited for the game. It's times like these that I wish I didn't have any contact with the outside world, so that I could just form my own opinion on the ending (whenever I get to playing it). Not that I won't enjoy it simply because of what others are saying, but it does dampen the spirits. For some reason the ending of KOTOR 2 keeps randomly popping up in discussions of ME3's ending, usually being compared with how disappointing it was and parallels there (though maybe they are getting confused and thinking they were both made by Bioware?). Except I loved and still have fond memories of the ending of KOTOR 2, so I guess I should just stop worrying and finish the Mass Effect trilogy (once I can afford it, of course).

#80 MSUHitman

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:26 PM

There is a theory out there basically saying the ending isn't what it seems to the naked eye, and the journey is so awesome if you're a fan I say go ahead and get the game when you can. I'm sure GS is going to flood with copies soon at $48/$43.20 used and Microsoft's store had it at $40 earlier this week, and I'm sure someone with have it on sale for $40 sometime in the next 2 months.

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#81 iwannadie

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:36 PM

I just wanted to say in a spoiler free way, that in ME3 the academy mission was sort of a big deal for me. Maybe it is because of who I romanced in ME2 but that mission had a big impact on my game while for you guys it was sort of a throw away mission.
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#82 iwannadie

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 10:39 PM

Oh and Wombat, get behind a real football team, The Steelers. I am from Pittsburgh but we welcome all outsiders to the winning team. No need for a sales pitch, other than the 6 rings which bling for themselves.
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#83 nateeasy29

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:55 PM

If you think the Shadow Broker is a "He", we have two different canons. Also Tebow has done ads for Focus on the Family, who are anti-choice & anti-gay marriage.


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#84 MSUHitman

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:13 AM

I just wanted to say in a spoiler free way, that in ME3 the academy mission was sort of a big deal for me. Maybe it is because of who I romanced in ME2 but that mission had a big impact on my game while for you guys it was sort of a throw away mission.


Like w/Shipwreck, it was a big deal for me b/c I've read the first 3 ME books and the academy director is a huge recurring character in those.

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#85 terpkristin

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 01:07 AM

Thanks, bickle, for posting show notes.

I enjoyed the show, as usual. Having completely screwed up my back (and having had 2 surgeries), I'm sympathetic for Cheapy's pain. Hopefully it'll get better...but might want to see a doc or otherwise maybe start a gentle strengthening and stretching program. Or massage....

Never having played BioShock or ME, I guess it's hard for me to get worked up on the major drama in this thread so far. It's interesting, from a purely psychological standpoint, to watch it unfold though.
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#86 necrojustice

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:03 AM

Cheapy you should have an emergency rope tied to your toilet so you can pull yourself to safety.

#87 Zaku77

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:32 AM

You guys are so mainstream. :/ Anything that isn't freaking Mass Effect or God damn Forza is just swept over. Thank God for Shipwreck, and he's not that far ahead of the rest of you. You guys are entertaining, (the only reason I still listen) but you should really consider catering to a wider audience.

Then again, Call of Duty is the best selling thing ever, and most people are drones, so in all honesty you're probably doing just fine.

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#88 apathylad

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 06:33 AM

Good show, as usual, though I need to comment on Cheapy/his friends' views on Goichi Suda.

Suda is the CEO of Grasshopper. The fact that he conceptualizes many of the companies' games AND runs the company is a bit of a miracle. It takes a lot to come up with a game concept that works, but to do so while running the company must be insanely hectic.

He probably comes across as short-tempered or hard to work with because, well, he's the boss. He has to worry about the company as a whole, so of course he's going to make sure the games turn out as perfectly as they possibly can. The same things have been said about Shiguru Miyamoto, yet nobody calls him out on it, unless it's Satoru Iwata commenting on how Miyamoto is a perfectionist.

Cheapy's been bad-talking Grasshopper a few too many times now, and at first I could forgive it for being a matter of opinion, but now it's like he's trying to turn it into a running joke. It is, of course, all still a matter of opinion, but at least understand where those involved in your stories are coming from when you talk about them. Suda works hard for the successes Grasshopper has made, and he deserves better than this bashing you've started (especially considering, as far as you've mentioned in the podcasts, you don't play Grasshopper games, so really, you aren't one to judge them or the company anyways).

Grasshopper, as a company, and Suda, as a director/producer, will remain my favorites in the industry no matter what anybody says. When it comes to running the company and trying to get products made right, I would expect no less than being, at the very least, a bit tough in development.


I was a little surprised by Cheapy's comments, too. I don't know whether his portrayal of Suda is accurate, but it was worse than the hearsay Wombat said about Tim Schafer. Too bad no one else called him out on it.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 07:19 AM

You guys are so mainstream. :/ Anything that isn't freaking Mass Effect or God damn Forza is just swept over. Thank God for Shipwreck, and he's not that far ahead of the rest of you. You guys are entertaining, (the only reason I still listen) but you should really consider catering to a wider audience.

Then again, Call of Duty is the best selling thing ever, and most people are drones, so in all honesty you're probably doing just fine.

/rant.


Everyone has played Flower, it's time for you to move on also and start playing real games again. Besides, you're using such the mainstream trendy method possible to post your little rant. If you were really indie you'd have wrote your rant on a used post-it and stuck it to the back of a school teacher on her day off so that people could read it on the bus as she went grocery shopping before church, that would be anti-mainstream hipster cool. Shipwreck is about as mainstream as you can get, only he plays Everything in front of him and that doesn't make him a hipster hero, he plays skylanders....
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#90 Wombat

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 10:44 AM

Please find one Anti-Gay Tim Tebow quote. Just one. Thanks.


He appeared in an ad for FOTF, those actions are enough. Their views are his views. When/ If he says otherwise I will happily apologize to him.