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#31 KingofOldSchool

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:58 PM

The difference is that toilet paper companies are not actively doing something to make your toilet paper useless second hand. Neither do car companies, movie companies, music companies, car companies, housing companies or any other used marketplace. Video games are taking an active step to hurt the consumer in this regard.


If we want to be stupid and compare video games to toilet paper used.

You can open up a package of toilet paper and could still sell it. Hell, you could use only one piece of the tissue paper and sell the rest if you wanted.

What video game companies want to do is tell you that you're stuck with the game for the rest of your life. You buy the game at launch and hate the game after 2 hours of playing? Tough shit, it's yours now.

You lose your job and need to sell stuff to pay a bill? Well you can't sell your games cause it's yours forever, might as well sell your car instead.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 10:59 PM

I could be wrong but I would imagine used games will require a pass like some do now to play online. They can still charge 60 bucks for games and places like Gamestop would have to reduce the prices of used games even more.
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#33 jay_remedy

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:06 PM

If we want to be stupid and compare video games to toilet paper used.

You can open up a package of toilet paper and could still sell it. Hell, you could use only one piece of the tissue paper and sell the rest if you wanted.

What video game companies want to do is tell you that you're stuck with the game for the rest of your life. You buy the game at launch and hate the game after 2 hours of playing? Tough shit, it's yours now.

You lose your job and need to sell stuff to pay a bill? Well you can't sell your games cause it's yours forever, might as well sell your car instead.


Really? Is there a market for opened toilet paper?

Hahah, if you lose your job and desperately need money, sell your games with your PSN account and console. Problem solved.

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#34 KingofOldSchool

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:08 PM

That's because:

Car companies sell used cars themselves so they get a giant chunk of that market.
Movie companies have multiple streams of revenue from their one product.
The music industry has largely moved towards a digital marketplace, where there is no used product, but they also have multiple streams of revenue from their one product.
You listed car companies twice.
What the Fuck are housing companies?

If you don't like it, don't support it. You won't be missed.


1. There are plenty of used car dealerships around that aren't tied to car company. And regardless buying a used car is far less than buying a new one.

2. Physical CDs are still being produced and doesn't have a one time used thing tied to them that renders them useless for another person.

3. There are construction companies that build houses, if people are buying used homes, that cuts into their profits. This also holds building supply companies that furnish the materials needed to build the house.

4. I won't and I'm sure a lot of other people will do the same. Obviously the companies will miss us since they are getting pissy over people buying used games thus cutting into their profits.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:10 PM

Really? Is there a market for opened toilet paper?

Hahah, if you lose your job and desperately need money, sell your games with your PSN account and console. Problem solved.


I said you COULD sell them as they would still be useable you fucking moron.
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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:12 PM

1. There are plenty of used car dealerships around that aren't tied to car company. And regardless by a used car is far less than buying a new one.

2. Physical CDs are still being produced and doesn't have a one time used thing tied to them that renders them useless for another person.

3. There are construction companies that build houses, if people are buying used homes, that cuts into their profits. This also holds building supply companies that furnish the materials needed to build the house.

4. I won't and I'm sure a lot of other people will do the same. Obviously the companies will miss us since they are getting pissy over people buying used games thus cutting into their profits.


1. That doesn't affect my point. Car companies are getting a chunk of the market so they also benefit from used sales. Game companies do not. Furthermore, there is a significant difference in quality between a used car and a new car. There is no difference between a used game and a new game.

2. True, but like I said, the majority of the market is now in digital sales. Music companies no longer need to worry much about used sales.

3. The construction companies have no control over the housing market and therefore couldn't prevent used home sales even if they wanted to. Furthermore, they can be contracted for many other purposes. I highly doubt there is any such thing as a construction company that focuses only on building houses.

I said you COULD sell them as they would still be useable you fucking moron.


Just like you COULD sell the used games, but no one will want them. Just like no one wants your opened toilet paper.

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Posted 28 March 2012 - 11:54 PM

The PS4's GPU in particular, we're told, will be capable of displaying Orbis games at a resolution of up to 4096x2160, which is far in excess of the needs of most current HDTV sets.

I don't think I will be buying a new HDTV to take advantage of the PS4 graphics like I did for PS3.

Remember how the PlayStation 3 swiftly dropped the ability to play PS2 games? Well, our main source tell us the Orbis won't even bother, and that Sony has no plans to offer backwards compatibility for its existing catalogue of PS3 games.

Sony is shooting themselves in the foot if they don't offer backwards compatibility with the PS4. I would have considered a PS4 if I could trade in my PS3 to help subsidize the cost of the PS4 knowing it will play PS3 games. I have spent so much on my gaming library this gen since it has been the longest console generation. Also money spent on DLC attached to the retail game disc themselves which I can not play on the PS4 if it does not do backwards compatibility with PS3 games.

Don't think you can simply buy the disc and stay offline, though; like many PC games these days, you'll need to have a PSN account and be online to even get the thing started.
If you then decide to trade that disc in, the pre-owned customer picking it up will be limited in what they can do. While our sources were unclear on how exactly the pre-owned customer side of things would work, it's believed used games will be limited to a trial mode or some other form of content restriction, with consumers having to pay a fee to unlock/register the full game.

Since every game needs to be activated online... What happens if PSN gets hacked again? Buying a pre-owned game will basically be like you paying for a free demo, oh great. At least with the online pass you have access to the full single player portion.

Higher specs also means development cost will be higher. Guess what games publishers will lean even more to if creating games cost more than the $60 million it cost now.

If this is truly what the PS4 and Xbox 720 will become, I will not be purchasing a next gen console. I may consider the WiiU just so I can play the newer multiplatform IPs and Nintendo doesn't seem to be going crazy with DLC and putting in online passes(yes I know, its due to Nintendo's crap online system)... yet.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:03 AM

If the game is locked to the PSN account and not the console, then hypothetically you could make a new profile for each game and sell the profile with the game for a premium when you are done with it, right?

Now, if you had a new game, played it, got rid of it, and then later decided you wanted to re-acquire it, would you have to pay to unlock the used copy of the disc because it wasn't the same disc since the used game would be tied to someone else's account/console?

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:08 AM

I don't think I will be buying a new HDTV to take advantage of the PS4 graphics like I did for PS3.


I don't think they're going to make 2160p TVs any time soon.

It's probably that high so it can generate 120 fps at 1080p, for 3D. It's also possible they could be aiming for 4 people split-screen playing on one TV with glasses, similar to 2 player on the Playstation Display.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:21 AM

I don't buy used games, but I do borrow a lot of games from my friends and if the next generation kills that I'm going to be pissed. Used games sales aren't killing companies, they're doing just fine. To completely kill borrowing games from friends because you want some extra cash is ridiculous, and it just makes me want to get a PC gaming setup.


This is actually EXACTLY how I feel. Except, I'm the kid that buys a lot of games, usually used ones, and lend them all out to my friends.

I guess it's a good thing I've been thinking more and more about getting a nice PC setup. With Steam's great prices and all the modding capabilities I currently envy, the PS ORBIS seems obsolete already.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:37 AM

I don't understand Sony the were praised for BC with the PS2 & that became the greatest console of all time. I know there's a cost factor but this isn't going to work the way Sony/MS think people will stick with the PS3/360 even longer waiting for prices to drop & new release games on PS4/720 will suffer severely so I hope they have a plan B.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:20 AM

Meh, not a big deal. If I want to play PS3 then I will keep my PS3 around, just like I do with my NES. I dont care about the no used game market, I usually buy new, but I hope they change their pricing structure since everyone will be "getting more money".

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:37 AM

If this turns out to be the case I won't pay more than $20 for a game ever even if I have to wait a year for certain games


My average price on game purchases is $10, so no problem for me. I don't care about online multi-player, so I don't need the games to be recent. And my library is massive. Everything turns up cheap eventually.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:41 AM

Kotaku is a horrible website who only generates interest from outlandish claims and eye catching articles.

They are full of shit, similar to how yahoo news is complete trash. They are the yahoo news of videogame journalism.

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#45 waldo21212

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 01:56 AM

No used + no BC means I won't be picking one up (if at all) until the system can be had for cheap and the exclusives are at the $10 price point.

Maybe since the will be making tons of cash on games, it will launch at $300.

On the plus side, I will probably get a 2nd pc for gaming. And all my old PC games from years ago can always be revived!

Also, if you believe what Kotaku is saying, new games will launch at $70.

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#46 htz

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:06 AM

Also, if you believe what Kotaku is saying, new games will launch at $70.

$70 Standard Edition
$90 Collectors/Limited Edition
$50 Season Passes like COD Elite
$20 Map Packs
$75 Xbox Live Platinum

Games filled with bugs/exploits/glitches... priceless

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:11 AM

$70 Standard Edition
$90 Collectors/Limited Edition
$50 Season Passes like COD Elite
$20 Map Packs
$75 Xbox Live Platinum

Games filled with bugs/exploits/glitches... priceless



if that happens then i can see alot of people not gaming or switching to pc gaming.game companies are getting too damn greedy with dlc as is trying to jack up game prices is a joke and theres no excuse for it. bad enough now theyre all doing this season pass shit.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:18 AM

I don't understand Sony the were praised for BC with the PS2 & that became the greatest console of all time. I know there's a cost factor but this isn't going to work the way Sony/MS think people will stick with the PS3/360 even longer waiting for prices to drop & new release games on PS4/720 will suffer severely so I hope they have a plan B.


The big problem is what it would take to make a new console that was compatible. Sony has given up on the CELL concept and wants something more mainstream t avoid the huge expense of the PS3 launch. This means no direct hardware compatibility with PS3 code. Emulation would be a big problem because there are still areas of the CELL's performance that would be hard to replicate.

That isn't to say a current X86-64 part cannot outperform the CELL overall but it doesn't do it with same approach and this makes it tricky when a game was heavily optimized for where CELL does well.

On top of this, the CELL is really complicated, which is part of why it took developers so long to get a good handle on it. Painful as an emulation target.

It pleases me that Microsoft was able to pull off emulation of the original Xbox so well on the 360 but what portion of the installed base today has never run a single Xbox game on their 360? Traditionally, backwards compatibility has mattered most to companies in an underdog position. It helps win over retailers wanting to unload games still in stock for the previous platform and it helps offer a library at launch fro those who didn't bother with the previous platform.

If Microsoft and Sony launch their new systems while the current ones are still generating good revenue, lack of BC won't matter much. (Though I do believe Microsoft is going to try to carry at least a portion of the 360 library forward and offer tools to help developers easily port games on XBLA to run on the new machine if it isn't compatible at the hardware level. Not having a weird beast like CELL makes it a bit easier.)

Sony has made it clear on the VITA they couldn't care less about the libraries of PSP owners. The PSP support on Vita is strictly aimed at people who never owned a PSP. This is likely a clue as to how they'll proceed on the PS4. While on the Vita emulating the PSP is easy, it was the media that caused the problem. On the PS4 it is the opposite story.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:35 AM

Kotaku is a horrible website who only generates interest from outlandish claims and eye catching articles.

They are full of shit, similar to how yahoo news is complete trash. They are the yahoo news of videogame journalism.



Pretty much. I don't know why you guys are getting all worked up over an unfounded rumor about a product thats still years away from releasing.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:01 AM

As someone who makes games, the no used-game thing makes me happy.


Fine, then don't launch some things at $60. Neverdead is a recent example. Rogue Warrior, ugh.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:05 AM

Fine, then don't launch some things at $60. Neverdead is a recent example. Rogue Warrior, ugh.



hell yeah also dont release games full of bugs and shit that can erase saves or damage your console. and if you are be honest and let gamers know so they can wait for the necessary patches before buying a broken game. case in point re operation racoon city damn game is horrible across the board and the ai in the game is the worst ive seen ever.

your teammates will literally walk through fire or cross laser mines and get killed and even run into enemy fire take a few shots then run back to cover.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:06 AM

I love how the gaming industry and its defenders are just asking for another crash.

No used games = less potential buyers of a sequel. A healthy used game market is as good for publishers and the industry as it is for customers.

I only buy new games but imagine the irritation of re-registering or transferring games if your system fails (it will). Also you can't bring a game to a friend's house which would result in more lost sales.

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#53 htz

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:30 AM

As someone who makes games, the no used-game thing makes me happy.

I rarely buy used games except for the sales gamefly does but this will impact my decision on buying new games. I usually trade in or sell off my games after I finish them to recover the cost of my original purchase so I can put it toward my next new game purchase. If used games are no longer allowed, I can't sell off games I no longer want or having to sell them way below value. Less money means I will be more picky in deciding how many games I buy each year and also less chances of me buying games that are unknown/not triple A.

Is attacking the used market really such a good decision, where it could have an impact where other less popular gaming genres will disappear cause they don't get as much marketing hype?

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:42 AM

theoretically if this article turns out to be true, there are some things i have a problem with. 1st, if they have such a problem with used games, then why make exclusive deals with gamestop. make gamestop pay out royalties to each of the game devs/pubs for each used game they sold. gamestop made a ton in profits in 2011. some of that could go back to the devs/pubs.

with the used cars thing and the dealers, why not sony just cut out the middle man(gamestop) and offer to buy back your games (or at least sony exclusives) and then they can resell them at a lower price point on their website.

i hate how the gaming devs cry foul with online crap saying that servers cost money. i realize that but what they dont get is that if i buy, say battlefield 3 and put 1000 hours into that game. there is no difference server side if i play it 1000 hours or if 10 different people play it for 100 hours or 20 for 50 hours, etc... the servers still see the same amount of hours. which is why all those online passes are complete bullshit.

if MS and SONY completely kill the used market, you will see another video game industry crash just like how it happened in the 80s.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 03:43 AM

As someone who makes games, the no used-game thing makes me happy.


One thing is for sure is that I don't want to be stuck with a shitty game I can't turn around and sell or trade.What are the consequences for this no used game model?Good or bad.Fewer 1st day sales,limited print runs(if disc based) if the game is shit, less impulse buying?That is the exact definition of shitting where you eat.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:05 AM

Part of the benefit of this no used game model is developers won't be so reliant on day/week one sales anymore...any time the game is sold, they get money in their pocket. And if (I repeat if) this does make any given game more profitable, this very well could mean more companies would be willing to experiment a little with games. If it takes a game a little while to find an audience and start moving units, it's not so big a problem. Compare that to now, that game would likely have a number of used copies on the shelf, so even a surge of interest wouldn't bring any money in.

That said, the implementation of a no-used games policy would kill the main reason I tend to buy games on consoles. I have a gaming-quality PC. I don't see PSN or XBL matching the sales and functionality of Steam or any other DD site. And my PC (almost) never has to worry about backwards compatibility.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

I'd just go back to PC too. Only really switched to console and from 99% PC this generation anyways.

I often buy games new, and a used play copy, which I usually sell. I hate the digital model, because I have no idea when one day, something will be suddenly be unavailable. You can argue all you want that it'll never happen, but I know I have DRM files I can never access again because they decided to shut the servers, even without the company going under.

I don't lend out games much anymore anyways, so I don't care about that part. But we do pass down games to the GFs brother a lot, and he'll just lose the benefit. But it doesn't affect me that much.

All I know is, if they're going to be this restrictive next gen, I have enough games to last me well over a decade.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 05:28 AM

I don't understand why the gaming companies all think their on some platform higher then any other product in this world. Honestly this generation of gaming has done enough to severely decrease my interest in gaming. If this turns out to be true I doubt I'll even purchase the new consoles. Back to PC gaming.
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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:42 AM

There is a big difference between toilet paper and video games.

Obviously you're too fucking stupid to understand.


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 06:51 AM

i see 2 PS4 and Xbox 720 system coming

1.200-300 u cant play used games 2.500-600 uu can play used games