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The NFL 2012-13 Season Thread - Super Bowl XLVII is the Harbaugh Bowl!


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#421 bigdaddybruce44

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:02 AM

I usually feel that way as well, but anyone with eyes can't deny it in this case.

Belichick made contact with an official. Honestly, it took some fucking restraint not to deck him. This is the first NFL game I've ever seen where you honestly have to ask if the referees were paid off. It was that bad, and that one-sided.


Eh, they called 14 penalties against Baltimore. There were awful calls against both teams.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:05 AM

Eh, they called 14 penalties against Baltimore. There were awful calls against both teams.


It wasn't remotely close to evenly officiated, counting penalties does not tell the story. It's the impact and egregiousness of the calls that impacts the game. The Ravens had two different touchdown drives (both Smith TDs) which were extended by phantom calls on the defense on 3rd down, whereas the Patriots had at least one drive stalled by terrible offensive penalties.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:08 AM

The saddest thing is this won't get us any closer to getting the real refs back. Why should the refs compromise when the replacements are embarrassing themselves on the field week in and week out?

Hell, if I were the refs, I'd increase my demands after every week of this.

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#424 bigdaddybruce44

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:09 AM

And that personal foul for the "bench" was terrible and clearly a product of the sideline official getting frustrated and not being able to handle the pressure. Again, bad calls both ways. Even if you wanted to claim the officials were "in the bag," they have no clue what is gonna come of their calls, unless it is on a scoring play. That personal foul call could have ended up costing Baltimore the game. If the Ravens lost, you would have had Raven fans saying the same thing.

#425 bvharris

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:17 AM

And that personal foul for the "bench" was terrible and clearly a product of the sideline official getting frustrated and not being able to handle the pressure. Again, bad calls both ways. Even if you wanted to claim the officials were "in the bag," they have no clue what is gonna come of their calls, unless it is on a scoring play. That personal foul call could have ended up costing Baltimore the game. If the Ravens lost, you would have had Raven fans saying the same thing.


That call, while I agree it was atrocious, ultimately had no impact whatsoever on the outcome of the game. I'm not saying that there weren't bad calls on the Ravens, because there were. But saying that those calls "could" have cost the Ravens the game is kind of moot, because they didn't. The bad calls on the Patriots, especially in the first half, did cost them the game. It's a big difference.

Obviously I don't actually think the refs were paid, but I don't think it's even arguable that their calls changed what would have otherwise been a Patriots win into a Ravens win.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:29 AM

Hey, NFL: the WWE thinks your refs stink!

#427 bigdaddybruce44

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:31 AM

Would've been just great if Belichick nailed the ref with a chair...

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:31 AM

Would've been just great if Belichick nailed the ref with a chair...


I haven't watched his press conference yet, but I really hope he did.. verbally.

My guess is he calmed down though and it was typical Belicheck boilerplate. Pity, I'd really love to hear him just go off.

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#429 Quail-Man3000

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:42 AM

Welp. This is getting more ridiculous by the week. If these refs are calling the SuperBowl, it would be extremely difficult to take it seriously.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:43 AM

I dunno. I think the refs were craptacular both ways (and I'm a NE fan). The Patriots had opportunities to run away with the last two ways and in the end they can only blame themselves. Sure some of the calls were awful but championship teams need to win even when they don't get all the breaks

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:21 AM

For anyone who didn't see the blown calls in the Lions - Titans game, here's a pretty good summary:

Then in overtime, Bironas' third field goal put Tennessee ahead to stay after a drive that got its own boost from the officials.

They announced a replay review had overturned their ruling of a catch by Tennessee tight end Craig Stevens, with the ball hitting the ground as he rolled after being hit helmet to helmet by Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch.

After spending several minutes discussing where to place the ball, they put it at the Lions 29, giving the Titans 27 yards. The penalty apparently was marched off from the Detroit 44 instead of the Tennessee 44, where the play started.

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Hill's 46-yard TD pass to Titus Young off a ball Titans linebacker Akeem Ayers tried to knock down at the end of regulation tied the game only after some more confusing officiating.

After Hill tossed a 3-yard TD pass to Calvin Johnson with 18 seconds left, Amari Spievey recovered Detroit's onside kick. Hill threw a short pass to the sideline to Nate Burleson who took at least a step before losing the ball when hit by Titans cornerback Jason McCourty.

An official threw down his bean bag, indicating a change of possession. Titans cornerback Alterraun Verner picked up the ball and started to run to the end zone before another official ran up and called it incomplete.

Because it was in the final 2 minutes, a review is left up to the officials and coaches cannot challenge. No replay review was done.


Officials had other issues in this game, including twice announcing the offense would replay third down when it was obvious the defense wanted to decline a penalty to force fourth down.


1. On the Stevens catch, Fox showed the replay over and over, and the ball never touches the ground and he had control of it the entire time. It was really amazing that he held onto it taking a hit like that, but apparently the refs weren't impressed. I didn't even realize that they marked the yardage wrong though. That's incredible. They fucked up their Fuck up. Unreal.

2. How in the hell do you have two referees DISAGREE on a call and not go to a booth review? Ref A: "Fumble!" Ref B: "No, it was incomplete!" Ref A: "Oh...yeah, ok. You're probably right." Come on, Goodell. Get them out of here before they Fuck up the entire season. :wall:

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:17 AM

The biggest weaknesses of these officials is all of the procedural stuff and their inability to not let things snowball out of control. Bad calls happen on every level of sports. Let's face it, there has been bitching about the NFL officials for the longest time, and as technology has gotten better and better, we bitch more and more. But where they have a massive leg up on these guys is they don't let a bad moment take them out of the game. I mean, these replacements know the rules...well, at least most of the rules. They have been officiating football at various levels for awhile. And if you sat them down in front of a TV monitor, they could probably make the right call at the proper clip. But they simply cannot take the pressure of doing NFL games. And it's just getting worse way too quickly. Can you imagine how awful this is gonna get if the refs don't come back this year?

#433 renique46

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 06:52 AM

Funny ass week, watching all the trap games and other teams playing spoilers and not to mention all the tears that could fill up an empty ocean.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:18 AM

It's time to get the real refs back. The calls in the Pats/Ravens game were AWFUL on both sides last night. Pats still should have taken care of business (anytime you're up 2 scores with less than 8 minutes left you should be able to win) but the refs were definitely favoring the Ravens early on. And did they really not review the field goal at the end? I think it was actually good (thanks to super slo-mo on my TV) but to not have that reviewed is RIDICULOUS.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:25 AM

It's time to get the real refs back. The calls in the Pats/Ravens game were AWFUL on both sides last night. Pats still should have taken care of business (anytime you're up 2 scores with less than 8 minutes left you should be able to win) but the refs were definitely favoring the Ravens early on. And did they really not review the field goal at the end? I think it was actually good (thanks to super slo-mo on my TV) but to not have that reviewed is RIDICULOUS.



Apparently the way the rulebook is worded it is only reviewable if the ball goes through the uprights not through the uprights above and extended

I'm butchering the wordering but anyways... announcers said it wasn't reviewable so right or wrong the call on the field would stand

#436 bigdaddybruce44

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 11:04 AM

Correct. It wasn't reviewable. As bad as the refs were, they really didn't botch that situation, because there was nothing they could do. It was really a Murphy's Law kind of moment. His first kick, right after the Pats took the timeout, split the uprights. So, of course, the one that won the game had to look like it was no good and go over the uprights. I don't think anyone watching that game thought that was good at first glance.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:35 PM

Strong running attack, short passes, and relentless D... the Vikings used the 49ers game plan against them!


Yeah. The Vikings defensive line was too much to handle. 49ers needed to score after the long return to open the half and they only got 3. Not good enough.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 12:50 PM

Apparently the way the rulebook is worded it is only reviewable if the ball goes through the uprights not through the uprights above and extended

I'm butchering the wordering but anyways... announcers said it wasn't reviewable so right or wrong the call on the field would stand


That's my point though. The fact that exists in the rulebook is DUMB and should be changed. Like I said, I think the field goal was good after looking at it in super slo-mo on my TV, but it should have been looked at it by the officials as well since the naked eye judgment on that is so difficult to make.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 01:00 PM

I have to admit, it's been pretty funny watching all of the commentators give their own personal thoughts on each play that is either botched by the refs, or take far too long to make a decision when it's blatantly obvious.

This week was incredibly bad though. I wonder how much longer this is going to go on. I don't see the fans, players, or coaches standing for much more of weeks like this...

#440 DestroVega

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 01:07 PM

I have to admit, it's been pretty funny watching all of the commentators give their own personal thoughts on each play that is either botched by the refs, or take far too long to make a decision when it's blatantly obvious.

This week was incredibly bad though. I wonder how much longer this is going to go on. I don't see the fans, players, or coaches standing for much more of weeks like this...


I'm certainly way down on the league this week. They gave Dashon Goldson a personal foul for hitting a WR with his shoulder!! There was also no call on the hit that put Heyward-Bey on a stretcher.

This can't continue. The league needs to compromise right now.

#441 dmaul1114

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

Glad the Raiders finally got a win, especially over the Steelers

Hopefully Heyward-Bey is ok. No real qualms with the hit though, wasn't that hard or anything even really. Just fluke that he caught it in then chin and got KO'd.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:09 PM

I don't normally jump on the "refs cost ____ the game" bandwagon but I'm just not sure after this week. I mean, almost every single game yesterday was an upset. Nearly ever single matchup had the lower ranking team winning. That just seems odd. I can't really point to any specific plays/decisions but there were 3 games that went into overtime and almost all of the rest were close. I can understand 2-3, or even 4 games to be upsets in one week but damn was there a lot yesterday. I'm still not prepared to say that was entirely the effect of the officiating but damn if it isn't a bit odd.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:10 PM

I have to admit, it's been pretty funny watching all of the commentators give their own personal thoughts on each play that is either botched by the refs, or take far too long to make a decision when it's blatantly obvious.

This week was incredibly bad though. I wonder how much longer this is going to go on. I don't see the fans, players, or coaches standing for much more of weeks like this...


Well, the Ref union and whoever had a meeting last night and it appears that the both parties are not even close to negotiating a deal and there's no meeting scheduled in the foreseeable future.

As long as the fans keep attending games and Roger Goodells account stays nice and full, I could see the replacements becoming full-time by the end of the season and even further.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 03:44 PM

The NFL loves this! Everyone is talking about the NFL and the refs, etc. It's not like we are going to stop watching so what do they care? Every week is more exciting than the last - what calls will be blown? How long will the game take? We are all suckers for watching but whatever.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

Yup...at this point, I just feel like the American consumer mentality is too far gone to change anything. A bunch of complaining and online petitions (don't even get me started on the pointlessness that is the "petition") isn't going to do anything. It's going to take people deciding that they could get more enjoyment out of something else and actually changing the channel or going outside or something.

But when we're so engrossed in it that we wear the jerseys, we decorate our cars with window decals, we fly our team's flag in our front yard, people aren't going to stop watching. Whether or not the product we're getting is acceptable, as long as it comes packaged with beer commercials and fireworks, the every day American will be all over it. Sadly, complaining about the refs amounts to nothing more than the latest trend on Twitter. This is our world.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:15 PM

That's my point though. The fact that exists in the rulebook is DUMB and should be changed. Like I said, I think the field goal was good after looking at it in super slo-mo on my TV, but it should have been looked at it by the officials as well since the naked eye judgment on that is so difficult to make.

Unless they put two camera's pointed straight up on the ends of the goalpost instant replay won't work. For now the replay would be exactly what you see on TV and that view isn't better then the refs looking straight up as it passes by.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 04:30 PM

Just complaining won't change anything but it's better to make a little noise about it then to just sit there and act like having these scabs is cool.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:08 PM

These long games along with the later start for late afternoon games is ruining the end of the Red Zone channel. No time for them to show all of the touchdowns montage. I know they post it online but the hell with that.


Right, the NFL owns the channel and they have restrictions? Ridiculous.

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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:17 PM

I am sure the FCC will get involved after that Bullshit chant on NBC last night.
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Posted 24 September 2012 - 05:48 PM

If the NFL and the Players Union didn't reach that settlement to get keep the NFL on track last year, only the fans would have suffered.

With the NFL and Referee Union still at an impasse, only the integrity of the game suffers (and an increased risk of injuries). Most (casual) fans don't care about that.

Steve Young hit the nail on the head (for the most part) in his post-game comments from last week.