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#1 Slappybob

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

Well there goes the whole point of using Amazon. :cry:

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#2 dmaul1114

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 05:42 PM

Wouldn't affect my shopping at all. I order online for the convenience rather than dodging taxes or saving money. I'm not much of a cheapass anymore anyway.

I'm actually all for taxing online orders personally. Working in higher ed, I see first hand the impact the drop in tax revenue during the recession has had. People are technically required to pay state sales tax on online orders in most states as part of their tax filings, most just aren't aware of it, or don't bother (like myself, too much hassle).

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:21 PM

Coming to PA 9/1 as well apparently, I think Target, Walmart and BBY are in for a shock when it barely dents Amazon's business, they'll still be cheaper and more convenient for most things.

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#4 HaLLuZiNaTiOnZ

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 06:50 PM

Well, guess I won't be shopping as much on Amazon now.

Can you pre-order a shit load of stuff on Amazon right now that comes out after July and still not get charged tax for it?

Rarely buy anything from them as it is since their physical media deals have been pretty weak lately. Since Amazon mostly just price matches other stores I live around. DD games are good though.

I'd buy from Amazon less, but they'd most likely still receive a majority of my video game related purchases.

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 07:09 PM

Wouldn't affect my shopping at all. I order online for the convenience rather than dodging taxes or saving money. I'm not much of a cheapass anymore anyway.

I'm actually all for taxing online orders personally. Working in higher ed, I see first hand the impact the drop in tax revenue during the recession has had. People are technically required to pay state sales tax on online orders in most states as part of their tax filings, most just aren't aware of it, or don't bother (like myself, too much hassle).


I do it to not pay taxes. :D

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 08:18 PM

Well this is cool. I don't buy much from amazon anymore except books since for some reason all the bookstores in DFW decided to die or move away. I'll probably still buy some games from them depeding on the preorder bonuses, but yeah, this pretty much sucks.
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#8 rlse9

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:54 AM

Honestly, it's not all that bad that they're going to be forced to charge sales tax. Living in a state that has lost hundreds of thousands of public jobs, a city with roads that are absolutely horrible, and seeing the price of college tuition skyrocketing, perhaps a little money coming in to the states could actually help fix some of the things that are wrong. Or politicians will find a way to make sure that more money goes to millionaires and billionaires...

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#9 htz

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:21 AM

I honestly have no issues with amazon charging taxes, as long as they are competitive with there prices unlike how they are now where they can sit back and price match whenever they feel like it.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 12:09 PM

I do it to not pay taxes. :D

Most (all?) states have a use tax, so you're already required to pay tax for online purchases.

I hope they start doing this in Ohio soon. One less table I'll have to fill out at tax time.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:02 PM

Maybe the money will help catch the wretched dirty dan and pinhead larry

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

Coming to PA 9/1 as well apparently, I think Target, Walmart and BBY are in for a shock when it barely dents Amazon's business, they'll still be cheaper and more convenient for most things.

I guess I'd better use my $10 promo code and the last $5-6 in my account and be done with Amazon for now myself. Not that I need to buy any games anytime soon, since I still have Skyrim and Kingdoms Of Amalur: Reckoning to go through among other games that have languished in my backlog forever.

Honestly, it's not all that bad that they're going to be forced to charge sales tax. Living in a state that has lost hundreds of thousands of public jobs, a city with roads that are absolutely horrible, and seeing the price of college tuition skyrocketing, perhaps a little money coming in to the states could actually help fix some of the things that are wrong.

The only thing that could fix all of the people losing their cushy public sector jobs working for the local/state/federal governments is if their salaries and benefits were drastically reduced. The teachers unions here absolutely refuse to pay their fair share of their own health benefits. Meanwhile the families whose kids they're teaching are forced to go without such luxuries. So I say Fuck them. Let them work at Target or another barely over minimum wage job with NO benefits and see what it means to actually work for a living and not coast till retirement like so many of them do.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:14 AM

The only thing that could fix all of the people losing their cushy public sector jobs working for the local/state/federal governments is if their salaries and benefits were drastically reduced. The teachers unions here absolutely refuse to pay their fair share of their own health benefits. Meanwhile the families whose kids they're teaching are forced to go without such luxuries. So I say Fuck them. Let them work at Target or another barely over minimum wage job with NO benefits and see what it means to actually work for a living and not coast till retirement like so many of them do.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:15 AM

The only thing that could fix all of the people losing their cushy public sector jobs working for the local/state/federal governments is if their salaries and benefits were drastically reduced. The teachers unions here absolutely refuse to pay their fair share of their own health benefits. Meanwhile the families whose kids they're teaching are forced to go without such luxuries. So I say Fuck them. Let them work at Target or another barely over minimum wage job with NO benefits and see what it means to actually work for a living and not coast till retirement like so many of them do.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:17 AM

nice job falling for the right-wing myth of those living high on the hog public employees

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:58 AM

nice job falling for the right-wing myth of those living high on the hog public employees

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Yep. That's me. I resent the public school teachers because ya know I didn't go through the public school system and see many of them actually following the lesson plans laid out in the teachers' edition books like any chimp could do just as well.

Not to mention that every time you turn around they're looking for raises and again, they refuse to even consider forking over a fair share for their benefits. Not only that but they expect their entire families to be covered by the taxpayers, regardless of if they work for the city/school district/county or not. Meanwhile the average Joe Shmoe whose kids are getting "taught"(I use that term very loosely in this context) has to beg and plead with his bosses for even a nickel raise, but the teachers(and public union workers) around here demand it and unfortunately get it.

Don't get me wrong. There are some teachers who engage their students and put in the extra hours to make sure no kid is falling behind or failing. But for every one of those, we have 9 lazy asses here who follow the teachers books to the letter and don't even try to actually veer from that course. As I said before, a trained chimp could tell the kids to read chapters 1 through 4 and answer the questions at the end of each. So why are we paying tens of thousands per year to each of these people who don't actually work for their higher wages?

Now maybe it isn't this way everywhere, but around here you know that once you get a public sector job you'd have to do something egregious to be fired from it.

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#17 htz

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:09 AM

Taxes don't just go to schools... I have seen nearby towns that are so strapped for cash they only have one person working in the fire department...

#18 IAmTheCheapestGamer

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:28 AM

Again though, I didn't tell these folks to train for and become teachers, cops or firefighters. While I do appreciate the risks that the cops and firefighters take in their jobs on a daily basis, I do NOT feel that they should be entitled to guaranteed raises that the people they serve don't get unless they wanna kiss their bosses ass daily for years and STILL don't get a single raise.

It's one thing to want raises, but the public unions here DEMAND it in every damn contract, even though the city here is on the verge of bankruptcy and trying to get out from under a distressed status label. But the unions just keep on with the 'gimme gimme gimme' attitude as if they're OWED these raises.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:13 PM

i think its a bad idea because it discourages internet jobs from moving into the area. i believe they were going to build a big amazon factory in SC, had the site and everything. then they put abill went through the state congress and amazon said FU and pulled plans all together. this would of gave people tons of jobs and honestly would of gave the state more money than the income they would of got from the taxes online

i also think sales tax needs to go too. just discourages buying :)

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:41 PM

i think its a bad idea because it discourages internet jobs from moving into the area. i believe they were going to build a big amazon factory in SC, had the site and everything. then they put abill went through the state congress and amazon said FU and pulled plans all together. this would of gave people tons of jobs and honestly would of gave the state more money than the income they would of got from the taxes online

i also think sales tax needs to go too. just discourages buying :)


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

nice job falling for the right-wing myth of those living high on the hog public employees


Way to be utterly blind to the truth. IATCG is actually quite correct in his assessment. Public employees are grossly overpaid in my state compared to their private sector equivalents.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:13 PM

Way to be utterly blind to the truth. IATCG is actually quite correct in his assessment. Public employees are grossly overpaid in my state compared to their private sector equivalents.


Only if you fall for the right wing talking point that public sector employees should only be paid the bare minimum necessary to put a warm body in the job. That way anyone who is somewhat productive is forced to move to the private sector to earn enough to raise a family and eat. At that point you end up bitching at the driver's license office (worse than people do now) about how retarded and slow the people are there. The simple question is, do you like your garbage pick up to be timely, your trips to the DMV to not be ordeals and the mail you send to the post office to actually have a better than average chance of reaching it's destination? In that case your taxes have to pay more than bottom of the bucket wages to attract employees that actually give a shit.

You cannot have it both ways. You either have to pay enough taxes that the government can hire qualified employees or you can have your low taxes and get what you pay for from your government services. I've yet to meet someone that would volunteer to spend more time at the DMV.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:31 AM

You cannot have it both ways. You either have to pay enough taxes that the government can hire qualified employees or you can have your low taxes and get what you pay for from your government services. I've yet to meet someone that would volunteer to spend more time at the DMV.


This is very true. As for IATCG's assessment of education itself and the skills needed to teach... In my experience, dumb people usually hate education and hold educators in disdain.

Anyway, I'm so sad to learn that Amazon will be taxing us Texans now. I can see how it's good for the state, but it's bad for consumers.

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#25 htz

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

It's only bad for consumers when the tax rate in your state is stupidly high like those with 8%+. I believe the sales tax rate for all states should not go higher than 5%.

#26 IAmTheCheapestGamer

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:28 AM

Only if you fall for the right wing talking point that public sector employees should only be paid the bare minimum necessary to put a warm body in the job. That way anyone who is somewhat productive is forced to move to the private sector to earn enough to raise a family and eat. At that point you end up bitching at the driver's license office (worse than people do now) about how retarded and slow the people are there. The simple question is, do you like your garbage pick up to be timely, your trips to the DMV to not be ordeals and the mail you send to the post office to actually have a better than average chance of reaching it's destination? In that case your taxes have to pay more than bottom of the bucket wages to attract employees that actually give a shit.

You cannot have it both ways. You either have to pay enough taxes that the government can hire qualified employees or you can have your low taxes and get what you pay for from your government services. I've yet to meet someone that would volunteer to spend more time at the DMV.

Funny you say this, since for a long time I was receiving other peoples' mail from not only one or two streets over, but also as far away as a whole neighborhood/section of the city. So to say that paying better wages makes for people who give a shit or pay attention to how they're doing their job is a crock to me.

Then there was the one woman who worked at the one post office at the mall here. She would constantly bitch about having to work hours she wasn't supposed to and just bitch in general about the place. She has since disappeared, so I'm assuming she was either re-assigned somewhere else or she was one of the small percentage of people that somehow get themselves fired from public sector jobs.

But the way I see it a job is a job. If you want to make money, you either do your job without bitching about how long/hard the hours are or you find a different job. God knows there will be 10 or more people right behind you willing to do that job without complaining about the hours or how you're owed more pay for doing it.

This is very true. As for IATCG's assessment of education itself and the skills needed to teach... In my experience, dumb people usually hate education and hold educators in disdain.

:lol:So because someone is critical of some teachers they're automatically stupid to you?

I guess you must BE a teacher to take my comments so personally, huh?;) I commend the teachers who take the time to actually interact with their students and make sure they learn what they're trying to teach them and then spend the extra time with students who may appear to be falling behind. Those teachers deserve every benefit in the world. But the ones like I mentioned above that only give out assignments from the teachers' edition textbooks are doing the bare minimum to be seen as teachers imo.

Mind you, most of what is taught in school from grades 1 through 12 will never really be needed in the real world, so most education is really for naught. An employer has never asked me to answer an algebra question on an application or to solve an equation and show my work for it.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:22 AM

Paying sales tax is nothing new, they have been around for ages. It's just belatedly worked it's way to the internet.

Laying the rap on public sector workers is way lame.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:36 PM

Mind you, most of what is taught in school from grades 1 through 12 will never really be needed in the real world, so most education is really for naught. An employer has never asked me to answer an algebra question on an application or to solve an equation and show my work for it.


School is supposed to prepare you for a variety of careers, as well as simply develop your brain and critical thinking skills. Some things may not seem to have a practical application and yet they are simply good for you. Vocational schools are fine, but I doubt most people know what they truly want to do with their lives before adulthood. I guess that worked okay in the medieval times, but what would you do if you wanted to change professions and you'd only studied one your whole life?

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

School is supposed to prepare you for a variety of careers, as well as simply develop your brain and critical thinking skills. Some things may not seem to have a practical application and yet they are simply good for you. Vocational schools are fine, but I doubt most people know what they truly want to do with their lives before adulthood. I guess that worked okay in the medieval times, but what would you do if you wanted to change professions and you'd only studied one your whole life?

Don't get me wrong. I sit here and figure out the angles when playing a game and I do have my math teachers to thank for that. But some of the skills definitely aren't used outside of those 12 years of your life. As for changing professions, I'm a jack of all trade(master of none) who went back to school for medical coding. Has it helped me to get a job in that field? Not at all, since every place I've applied to has required certification or experience, one of which you can't get without first getting a job in the field. The other(certification) costs $100 for the test and that's kinda hard to get as well when you're broke.:-#

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:29 PM

It's only bad for consumers when the tax rate in your state is stupidly high like those with 8%+. I believe the sales tax rate for all states should not go higher than 5%.


Mine are over 8% with some added city sales taxes currently for schools and water upgrades etc. I have no problem with it. If you want good public services and a nice city to live in you have to pay for it.