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#6901 SonicXtreme

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:20 AM

VF5FS is a very different beast from the other two, if for no other reason it's 3D. This game and SFIII are ones you have to put some significant time into to be really good. That said, this is the one you can probably button-mash your way through if you're not too good at fighting games. Some bonus costumes and modes are locked behind some fairly pricey DLC, but none of that is mandatory to enjoy the game.

SSFIITHDR is great fun, but obviously it's dated. It's the safest choice of the three.

SFIIITSOE...there's a lot to it. You can certainly play it like SF2 but you aren't going to be competing at a very high level (and that final boss is going to piss you the Fuck off). It's a game I used to strongly dislike, but after picking up this version during a previous sale I've grown to like it a bit. I just don't have the time to put into it to get really good. It does have some nice bonus features (unlockable stuff, mini achievements, etc) that the other two are lacking.

Like I said, HD Remix is the safe choice and you won't be disappointed. If you're the kind of dude who wants something deep, flip a coin on the other two, as they are both very well done...or base it on whether you want a 2D or 3D game.

i'm pretty awful at fighting games but i love them, i just got heavily into both SFs and III is much more forgiving with the timing; i win twice as many matches on 3 than i do 2HD, 2HD it seems like the exploits at high levels are harder to bust through, IIIs timing is more forgiving so it's easier to get up from falls and such a little more, and parrying gives you double the defensive move choices. i'm a jobber in both but i can definitely snake way more hits in on 3 since it gives you more options to pull out during battle.

i love both games and 2hd more from a nostalgia standpoint but for just one get III. VF5 is good but i would not take it over either SF unless you absolutely cant do SF motions

#6902 johnpap

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:37 AM

If you're not considering picking up the Capcom collection then go with #2. Otherwise, I'd pick #3.
Ironically, I just bought Virtua Fighter 5 FS about 5 minutes ago eventhough I own the disc version. However I did it because I own the other two and want an easy 400 GS. :)

I completely forgot about the Capcom collection! Thanks for the reminder!

If I'm right in assuming you're a casual fighting game fan, I'm just going to lay out quick pro's for each, as they all have merit.

You're damn right!

If you're the kind of dude who wants something deep, flip a coin on the other two, as they are both very well done...or base it on whether you want a 2D or 3D game.

I'll vote for a 2D game since I'm an old skool type of gamer. That doesn't mean that I hate 3D games, I just have that kind of preference.

i love both games and 2hd more from a nostalgia standpoint but for just one get III. VF5 is good but i would not take it over either SF unless you absolutely cant do SF motions


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#6903 eastx

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:21 AM

Glad you enjoyed the Double Dragon article, Chrono.

Here's a little preview/impressions piece I wrote about Worms Revolution, which comes out this Wednesday. Not a full review, so it's a quick read.

lol...I got a new phone from my job (GS3) and sold my HD7.

What an exaggerated stretch.


No, you blew up. It was rude and totally out of left field.

#6904 KrayzieKMF

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:39 AM

If I already own Virtua Fighter 5, is showdown worth buying?

#6905 Sath666

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:37 AM

Finally Trials EVO dlc is up. Bought this + new KungFu Strike pack with Master levels (240msp). :)

#6906 johnpap

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:06 AM

If I already own Virtua Fighter 5, is showdown worth buying?


Good question, I'd like to know that as well.

#6907 airco

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:49 PM

If I already own Virtua Fighter 5, is showdown worth buying?


Yes, if only for the fact that I can't imagine anyone is still playing vanilla VF5. There have been a number of revisions since vanilla (including two new characters added, Jean and Taka-arashi), and FS is supposedly going to be the final version of VF5. Here's a full list of changes.

Also, I just got done playing the NiGHTS demo, and I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed in the controls. NiGHTS doesn't respond well to slight changes in direction with the analog stick, which is kind of a big deal for the game that prompted Sega to make an analog controller in the first place. In fact, I can play better on the D-pad than the analog stick because it's easier to just tap down for a split second than hold the stick in a direction NiGHTS just doesn't want to go in. I still feel obligated to buy it, though, since I do want to play this game. Maybe someone will be able to mod the PC version.

#6908 wEEman33

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:58 PM

Street Fighter III is the best fighting game on XBLA.

Cop dat if you ain't got it already.

#6909 Brother Daz

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:30 PM

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#6910 Brother Daz

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

Wow, nice find, Daz! When I looked it up in the store it was 400 points, but clicking on the ad listed it as free. I'm not using the beta dashboard.

It's just a video actually. I was all happy and shit too. Sorry about that.

#6911 nypickle

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:37 PM

Wow, nice find, Daz! When I looked it up in the store it was 400 points, but clicking on the ad listed it as free. I'm not using the beta dashboard.


it's just a video. It's on xbox.com for free too.

#6912 Crono-00

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

Yes, if only for the fact that I can't imagine anyone is still playing vanilla VF5. There have been a number of revisions since vanilla (including two new characters added, Jean and Taka-arashi), and FS is supposedly going to be the final version of VF5. Here's a full list of changes.

Also, I just got done playing the NiGHTS demo, and I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed in the controls. NiGHTS doesn't respond well to slight changes in direction with the analog stick, which is kind of a big deal for the game that prompted Sega to make an analog controller in the first place. In fact, I can play better on the D-pad than the analog stick because it's easier to just tap down for a split second than hold the stick in a direction NiGHTS just doesn't want to go in. I still feel obligated to buy it, though, since I do want to play this game. Maybe someone will be able to mod the PC version.


For someone who owns Virtua Fighter 5 Online asking if Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown is worth it, I imagine it would still depend a bit on the person. I probably can safely guess the person is a CAG, but if they just wanted the experience of a game at the most casual of levels, then perhaps if they're really miserly it would be a pass. It is similar to the necessity of going from Super Street Fighter 4 to Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition ver. 2012 or from BlazBlue: Continuum Shift to BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend. One can save money if he or she feels just getting a sampling is enough. However for me, I can feel subtle differences in a feel of a game, take for example:

I too noticed the jankiness of differences between the original Saturn version and this port of a PS2 port. For example the LT and RT tricks sometimes cause NiGHTS to lose momentum now to come to a complete stop during my ribbon tricks. Also when NiGHTS gets real close to the terrain, the movement seemed wrong in that he scrapes across instead of either rebounding off or gliding over. I too feel the controls on the XBLA version lacks the subtlety in motion as well.

Even changing to "Sega Saturn Dreams" the physics are the same as the PS2 port. The "Sega Saturn Dreams" only means using the older character models, but the textures and sprites got filtered (I really dislike this blurriness caused by the filtering) removing what I felt were sharp visuals of the original. Some songs are also slightly altered (I know, I can play the original Saturn version disc in a CD-player) so for someone with nostalgia rose-colored glasses as I, it hits me a bit. Basically it seems like this mode feels unnecessary since it fails to properly represent the original.

With my complaints, I still can't hate on the game because I enjoyed the original. That is the problem with my nostalgia rose-colored glasses. I'd love to hear the impressions of someone coming into this game new.



Anyway, to keep my posting Xbox Live deals related, I am curious about all the Call of Duty DLC on sale. I don't have any Call of Duty titles, because they have a tendency to not see significant discounts while the game is still relevant in my eyes (given my odd taste in games). I have heard positive things about zombies mode, and I did enjoy my time with L4D (and I think I saw a Danny Trejo, Michelle Gellar video for a zombies mode). I do not foresee myself purchasing a Call of Duty title in the immediate future, but I like seeing that World at War has a complete DLC bundle for "sale" at 1000MSP currently. How likely will Blops get a complete bundle and sale price for a bundle? [I'm guessing that's another 2 year wait] Or should I strike while the iron is hot and get the DLC with the guest stars now because sales for the item comes too infrequently?

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#6913 vantheman

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:11 PM

The black ops DLC will never be in a bundle, and the only reason to buy the world at war dlc would be for zombies because multiplayer is hacked senseless, and all of the zombie maps can be played in black ops from the rezurrection pack. That's my advice.

#6914 airco

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:49 PM

Street Fighter III is the best fighting game on XBLA.


*cough*KoF02UM*cough*

For someone who owns Virtua Fighter 5 Online asking if Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown is worth it, I imagine it would still depend a bit on the person. I probably can safely guess the person is a CAG, but if they just wanted the experience of a game at the most casual of levels, then perhaps if they're really miserly it would be a pass. It is similar to the necessity of going from Super Street Fighter 4 to Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition ver. 2012 or from BlazBlue: Continuum Shift to BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend. One can save money if he or she feels just getting a sampling is enough.


You'd have a point if we were talking about single player games, but fighting games are primarily multiplayer affairs. If everyone else is playing the most up to date version of the game, you will 1) not find anyone who wants to play the old and busted version, and 2) be out of practice with the newer rulesets. And there have been a lot of changes in FS (subtle they may be) that warrant being familiar with them. Besides, why would you buy a game if all you want is a small sampling? That's what demos are for.

With my complaints, I still can't hate on the game because I enjoyed the original. That is the problem with my nostalgia rose-colored glasses. I'd love to hear the impressions of someone coming into this game new.

I may have said it before, but my only experience with NiGHTS has been the Wii sequel, which I liked. I can't notice the more intrinsic physics problems (everything seems to feel the same as JoD), but even I noticed the movement issues (though I did hear about them from a NiGHTS forum first, so it may have been an issue of me never being able to unnotice it).

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#6915 wEEman33

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 05:55 PM

For only $7, you can't go wrong with XBLA Virtua Fighter.

It's probably the best 3D fighter on the system. I don't like 3D fighters in principle, but it's definitely the best of the bunch.

#6916 Crono-00

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:23 PM

*cough*KoF02UM*cough*



You'd have a point if we were talking about single player games, but fighting games are primarily multiplayer affairs. If everyone else is playing the most up to date version of the game, you will 1) not find anyone who wants to play the old and busted version, and 2) be out of practiced with the newer rulesets. And there have been a lot of changes in FS (subtle they may be) that warrant being familiar with them. Besides, why would you buy a game if all you want is a small sampling? That's what demos are for.



I may have said it before, but my only experience with NiGHTS has been the Wii sequel, which I liked. I can't notice the more intrinsic physics problems (everything seems to feel the same as JoD), but even I noticed the movement issues (though I did hear about them from a NiGHTS forum first, so it may have been an issue of me never being able to unnotice it).



*cough*Garou: Mark of the Wolves*cough*
*cough, cough*Marvel Vs. Capcom 2*cough, cough*


I did preface my statement by asking how much of a CAG and level of play one could aim for. Just yesterday, I finally released all my filters and now can see ads on my dashboard (non-beta) just so I can get some of those free avatar items I've been hearing about, and lo I found there's some really cheap Skittles pinball. Sure that dashboard game doesn't hold a candle to the other XBLA pinball titles, but I can imagine if one was at the extreme end of miserly on the 360 how that and demo tables on Pinball FX2 will suffice. KrayzieKMF and johnpap implied they did have the first Virtua Fighter 5 Online already, so I felt that it does matter a bit if they really would prefer not to spend 600MSP for gameplay tweaks and a couple of new characters. Some people could be in situations where a demo is enough (I wish I did that with Sonic Unleashed).

Like my question about the Blops and zombie maps (BTW, thanks vantheman), I had intended to only play the game with close friends in private matches, so relating to fighting games it is possible a person could choose to restrict his/her choice of competition to a small closed circle. One can choose the kind of community they want with their game sometimes.

I have also found cases where the older version is preferred to newer versions, for example I found a wonderful community which still enjoys playing Street Fighter Alpha 2 (Street Fighter Zero 2 in Japan) on GGPO and it is widely preferred there over the newer Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold (Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha in Japan) on GGPO [my losses has been captured by others to youtube, and now exists in the pool of the internet forever >_<]. Also the case with specific years of King of Fighters like 98 and 2002 (I even like 13) being standout even with newer editions available as well. Even with more features, Hyper Street Fighter 2 (not to be confused with Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting) doesn't seem to be preferred to Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (Super Street Fighter 2X in Japan) on GGPO. Different rule sets are just, different rule sets ... newer doesn't always mean better or more popular.

After all that, just because I do like Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown, I'd recommend it at 600MSP, and I own vanilla Virtua Fighter 5 Online on 360 as well. I also gotta get NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams on the Wii one day, and I still intend on getting a Wii one day too, my blind fandom knows no bounds.



Glad you enjoyed the Double Dragon article, Chrono.


Hehe, you busted me for calling you "East-X" once, now it's my turn =P. I'm "Crono" as in the early SNES localization only supplied enough room for 5 characters so the h was dropped from the character name. There is a Chrono that's also on this thread, ChronoGear which I met randomly once before on Castlevania: Harmony of Despair ^^. Anyway, I did find your Double Dragon 2 imports article wonderfully informative, also I cheer that you have an awesome Bomberman collection! ^^

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#6917 airco

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:46 PM

*cough*Garou: Mark of the Wolves*cough*
*cough, cough*Marvel Vs. Capcom 2*cough, cough*


I'll give you Garou. I have my problems with it, like how I feel it tries to be too much like Street Fighter, abandoning everything that made Fatal Fury unique (have you ever played Real Bout 2? Plane switching is fun as hell.), but it is a good game. Marvel 2, though? I can't consider sprite dump games where the only four viable characters all have infinites to be a good game.

I did preface my statement by asking how much of a CAG and level of play one could aim for. Just yesterday, I finally released all my filters and now can see ads on my dashboard (non-beta) just so I can get some of those free avatar items I've been hearing about, and lo I found there's some really cheap Skittles pinball. Sure that dashboard game doesn't hold a candle to the other XBLA pinball titles, but I can imagine if one was at the extreme end of miserly on the 360 how that and demo tables on Pinball FX2 will suffice. KrayzieKMF and johnpap implied they did have the first Virtua Fighter 5 Online already, so I felt that it does matter a bit if they really would prefer not to spend 600MSP for gameplay tweaks and a couple of new characters. Some people could be in situations where a demo is enough (I wish I did that with Sonic Unleashed).

I kinda get what you're saying, but you're arguing on the side of the casual gamer, a demographic that fighting games (or at least Virtua Fighter) aren't made for. If you're serious about fighters, I can't imagine why you would play an outdated version. If you're not serious about fighters, I can't imagine why you'd play them, since everyone else completely destroys you.

I have also found cases where the older version is preferred to newer versions, for example I found a wonderful community which still enjoys playing Street Fighter Alpha 2 (Street Fighter Zero 2 in Japan) on GGPO and it is widely preferred there over the newer Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold (Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha in Japan) on GGPO [my losses has been captured by others to youtube, and now exists in the pool of the internet forever >_<]. Also the case with specific years of King of Fighters like 98 and 2002 (I even like 13) being standout even with newer editions available as well. Even with more features, Hyper Street Fighter 2 (not to be confused with Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting) doesn't seem to be preferred to Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (Super Street Fighter 2X in Japan) on GGPO. Different rule sets are just, different rule sets ... newer doesn't always mean better or more popular.

Huh, GGPO does have two Alpha 2 lobbies. Well, one explanation for Gold's lack of popularity could be that it was only ever released in Japan (barring home ports, which GGPO can't play anyway), meaning most Westerners can't get nostalgic over it, which is probably the main reason they'd play Alpha 2 in the first place over, say, Alpha 3 or 3S.

KoF 98 and 2002 are standouts because they're Dream Matches, and can be thought of as the definitive versions of their respective arcs (despite 02 axing the Striker mechanic that was kind of a big deal for the three previous years, but nobody really cares). I assume people still play 98 because that game is the Super Turbo of third world countries. Though I can think of no reason why anyone would play a KoF without Kula in it. XIII is popular because it's the newest, and it's not a beta test like XII was.

With HSF, I can imagine that having the option to choose from any five of the games might lead to some imbalances. Either that, or nobody wants to play anything but Turbo anyway, so they just play Turbo.

Either way, I'll admit it's not necessarily about the ruleset. It's about playing what everyone else is playing so you can get a game with someone. If you can still get online matches with vanilla VF5 and don't have any issues with playing outdated games, then feel free to stick with it, I suppose.

I also gotta get NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams on the Wii one day, and I still intend on getting a Wii one day too, my blind fandom knows no bounds.

Keep in mind that it's not an amazing game on the whole - I've described it to others as having Sonic Adventure 2 syndrome, where 2/3 of the game is boring crap, and the remaining 1/3 kicks ass. Curious that those two games get XBLA ports on the same day, huh? ( ´∀`) But I got it for $15 a few years ago out of a bargain bin, and it's gotten cheaper since then, so you've got nothing to lose.

#6918 eastx

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:54 AM

Hehe, you busted me for calling you "East-X" once, now it's my turn =P. I'm "Crono" as in the early SNES localization only supplied enough room for 5 characters so the h was dropped from the character name. There is a Chrono that's also on this thread, ChronoGear which I met randomly once before on Castlevania: Harmony of Despair ^^. Anyway, I did find your Double Dragon 2 imports article wonderfully informative, also I cheer that you have an awesome Bomberman collection! ^^


My bad! In my defense, you made it harder on us with the unusual spelling. I'll try to remember that though.

Also yes, it took me a while to notice but NiGHTS definitely controls a bit worse and has shorter timing on links, making the game harder. Still a great game, just slightly less so.

#6919 Strider Turbulence

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:27 AM

The Japanese never really cared for Alpha 2. The story I heard a long time ago is that someone won an Alpha 2 tournament and basically said something to effect of 'this game sucks'. In response, Capcom released Gold (or rather Zero2 Alpha).

Most US players didn't care for the balance changes either. I personally don't care, I'll play either version if it hits XBLA.

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#6920 twztid13

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 04:35 AM

Reddjoey & everyone helping with the new wiki format deserve MUCH PROPS for keeping this page going & having such great info on the deals, and everything surrounding them. Thank you all!!

#6921 sykotek

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:25 AM

I've been thinking about picking up Virtua Fighter, Sonic Adventure 2 and Jet Set Radio when another thought popped into my head. About how likely do you guys think there'll be a Dreamcast Collection V2? There are probably enough previously on Dreamcast games to make a second compilation at this point.

#6922 Blaster man

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Anyone know if Faery legends of Avalon is any good?

#6923 XxLady_AthenaxX

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:38 AM

Anyone know if Faery legends of Avalon is any good?

It's very... average. I liked the setting of the game and the "mythos" the developers were trying to establish, but the game is over before it ever really begins. And even then, the combat is so... dull. The customization is kinda cool to fiddle around with, but the core gameplay is very meh.

It was never worth 1200 MSP to begin with, and it's certainly not worth it at 800 either. I bought it at 600 the previous time it was on sale and I regret it.
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#6924 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:26 PM

It's very... average. I liked the setting of the game and the "mythos" the developers were trying to establish, but the game is over before it ever really begins. And even then, the combat is so... dull. The customization is kinda cool to fiddle around with, but the core gameplay is very meh.

It was never worth 1200 MSP to begin with, and it's certainly not worth it at 800 either. I bought it at 600 the previous time it was on sale and I regret it.

Yeah, it's a dull game that didn't do anything to really stand out despite being one of the few RPGs on XBLA/PSN.

#6925 seanr1221

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:33 PM

I haven't kept up with releases lately, maybe a new release section could work in the OP?

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#6926 Blaster man

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

Thanks guys for the info on faery. Guess I may get it if it falls to 400 msp at some point.

#6927 Zonic505

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:09 PM

I've been thinking about picking up Virtua Fighter, Sonic Adventure 2 and Jet Set Radio when another thought popped into my head. About how likely do you guys think there'll be a Dreamcast Collection V2? There are probably enough previously on Dreamcast games to make a second compilation at this point.

They only re-released 2 Dreamcast games recently (JSR & SA2), though maybe they could add Nights & Daytona and call it "Sega Heritage Collection" since JSR, Nights, & SA2 are considered part of that, what with the special logo and the added interview about the game.
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#6928 wEEman33

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:26 PM

Definitely get Virtua Fighter it's a great game at the sale price.

Sonic Adventure 2 was a bad game when it came out and it hasn't gotten any more bearable with time.

#6929 Antarael Dulacre

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:48 PM

Definitely get Virtua Fighter it's a great game at the sale price.

Sonic Adventure 2 was a bad game when it came out and it hasn't gotten any more bearable with time.



I have to disagree here...Sonic Adventure was a bad game...Sonic Adventure 2 was AWESOME!

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

I Question any 3D Sonic game as "good" in this day and age, though I remember even first time playing Sonic Adventure 2 that the Knuckles/bat with boobs and Tails/Eggman levels were exceptionally terrible. Only saving grace that everyone can agree on is the Chao Garden.
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