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#151 Action!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

Just wrapped up with the true/golden ending. Close to 100 hours. Holy shit, I had no clue what I was in for, but I'm glad I spent time with this game.

I was one of those weirdos pulled in by playing P4A before anything from the SMT lineage. Pretty cool to realize that everything from P4A has foundation in the source games. Names like "Bufudyne" make way more sense now.

Prolly gonna hop back and try out P3 at some point. I'm hearing That FES is the way to go, but I play on my Vita way more often now, so I may go P3P. Any opinions on that?

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#152 Ryuukishi

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:39 PM

Prolly gonna hop back and try out P3 at some point. I'm hearing That FES is the way to go, but I play on my Vita way more often now, so I may go P3P. Any opinions on that?

The only problem with P3P is that it replaces all of the school/town exploration with a 2D interface where you move the cursor over interaction points to talk to characters and travel. In FES the exploration works just like in P4. The big thing that P3P adds is the female main character, and of course portability. But unless you're planning on actually playing as the female MC I'd say FES is the preferred version.

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#153 Action!

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:53 PM

The only problem with P3P is that it replaces all of the school/town exploration with a 2D interface where you move the cursor over interaction points to talk to characters and travel. In FES the exploration works just like in P4. The big thing that P3P adds is the female main character, and of course portability. But unless you're planning on actually playing as the female MC I'd say FES is the preferred version.



Thanks, Ryuu. I recall someone discussing the combat in P3 as well. Saying that you don't control your party, I think. Are both versions like that? I assumed direct control of my party in P4G pretty quickly, but I'm pretty sure I'd get over it.

As for the fem-MC, I feel like I could definitely live without her. Also recall hearing about The Answer being available in FES, but it's just epiloguey stuff, I probably wouldn't mind youtubing it after the fact.


Just kinda thinking out loud here. Thanks for the input, dude.

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#154 Ryuukishi

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:01 AM

Original P3 definitely had only the main character manually controlled. I do not remember whether they added manual control for the other party members in FES or in P3P... It might be P3P. I always let the AI control the other party members anyway; it makes them feel more alive!

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#155 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:03 AM

P3P is the only version of Persona 3 that lets you control the whole party just like in Persona 4.


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

Thanks guys. I'll dwell on it. Think I should probably spend some time outside and doing shit after that P4G marathon!

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#157 SynGamer

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:56 AM

Having NOT played the previous Persona games, I can't see myself going back to 1, 2, or 3 after playing P4G. The tweaks/changes/additions are just...perfect, at least based off of what I've read when compared to previous entries in the series.

Side note: I'm really hoping they make Persona 5 for the PS Vita.

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#158 Mixer23

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:07 AM

Having NOT played the previous Persona games, I can't see myself going back to 1, 2, or 3 after playing P4G. The tweaks/changes/additions are just...perfect, at least based off of what I've read when compared to previous entries in the series.


I'm in the same boat here, but I think I still might enjoy P3P. My wife already owns it , one of these days I just might boot it up.

The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used.


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#159 62t

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:08 AM

Having NOT played the previous Persona games, I can't see myself going back to 1, 2, or 3 after playing P4G. The tweaks/changes/additions are just...perfect, at least based off of what I've read when compared to previous entries in the series.

Side note: I'm really hoping they make Persona 5 for the PS Vita.



Persona 2s are still decent games as long as you don't expect P4. Persona 3 is still pretty playable and better than 90% of the RPGs out there. Then again all this can be avoided if you play Persona 3 first.

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#160 SynGamer

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

Well, I'm getting ready to fight
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. Any suggestions? My MC is level 42, Yosuke is 40, Yukiko is 40, and Teddy is 39. I'm ignoring Chie for the rest of the game I think (currently level 31). I'm thinking of dropping Yosuke for Kanji after this boss battle, we'll see. I'm actually on floor 7 (out of 10) so I should be able to gain at least 1 or 2 more levels for everyone before the boss(es).

Still not sure who I am going to "romance", currently leaning towards Yukiko but damn if
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37 hours in and I'm having a blast.

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#161 raiden_86

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

Having NOT played the previous Persona games, I can't see myself going back to 1, 2, or 3 after playing P4G. The tweaks/changes/additions are just...perfect, at least based off of what I've read when compared to previous entries in the series.

Side note: I'm really hoping they make Persona 5 for the PS Vita.


What about digital devil saga 1 & 2? I played these right after P4 and they were awesome, some of my faves. This was like 6 months ago all on PS2.

#162 Ryuukishi

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

Having NOT played the previous Persona games, I can't see myself going back to 1, 2, or 3 after playing P4G. The tweaks/changes/additions are just...perfect, at least based off of what I've read when compared to previous entries in the series.

The weird thing about P3 and P4 is that from a gameplay standpoint they are like 95% the same game. Only the small tweaks and changes that are there make a huge difference to your experience of the game. An example for me was how in P4 leveling up a social link grants that character direct upgrades in battle, like being able to pick up the main character if he gets downed. It seems like a very small addition, but the fact that it's felt directly in battle (rather than just the indirect effect on fusions) hugely strengthens the link between the social and battle halves of the game, and makes both sides feel more meaningful and unified.

Plus the fact that you explore different, independently themed dungeons rather than just different looking floors of one big dungeon. On a purely mechanical level it's not really that much of a change-- the difference between dungeons isn't much more than decor-- but the way it's treated within the plot makes the game "feel" like it has way more variety than P3. It's those kinds of things.

The difference in plot and tone is more subjective. Again I think P4 is better but there are fans who prefer the more urban/sci-fi-ish setting and worldly characters of P3 to the rural atmosphere and more realistic teens of P4.

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#163 jello44

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:50 AM

What about digital devil saga 1 & 2? I played these right after P4 and they were awesome, some of my faves. This was like 6 months ago all on PS2.


Those are good games, but the battle system is very different than in Persona 3/4.

Well, I'm getting ready to fight

Spoiler
. Any suggestions? My MC is level 42, Yosuke is 40, Yukiko is 40, and Teddy is 39. I'm ignoring Chie for the rest of the game I think (currently level 31). I'm thinking of dropping Yosuke for Kanji after this boss battle, we'll see. I'm actually on floor 7 (out of 10) so I should be able to gain at least 1 or 2 more levels for everyone before the boss(es).

Still not sure who I am going to "romance", currently leaning towards Yukiko but damn if
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37 hours in and I'm having a blast.


Chie gets the two of the best physical attacks in the game later on at 70 and 74.

Youske is pretty much a Jack of All Trades master of none. He's just far too average for my taste.

As for Kanji, I don't know, I never really leveled him, his agility kinda sucks so he'll usually end up being last in battle.

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#164 SynGamer

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:15 AM

Alright, so I should drop Kanji and possibly Yosuke in favor of Chie? Never would have thought she'd be useful.

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#165 Ryuukishi

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 01:05 PM

Kanji is probably a better character overall than Chie, though as said Chie does get some of the very best attacks in the game at the very end of her development. (Keep in mind that analysis is based on the PS2 version, and all the characters get new abilities in Golden so things may be different.)

The best party in the game is completely up for debate and any party is viable. But I think based purely on combat abilities most people would pick some combination of Yukiko/Teddie/Kanji/Yosuke.

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#166 SynGamer

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 03:25 PM

So basically they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think I'll continue leveling Kanji since he's already a few levels higher than Chie...decisions, decisions.

EDIT: reading some other forums...it seems MC, Yosuke, Chie, and Yukiko is the best end-game party. I think I'll ditch Kanji and try to bring Chie up and just use those four from here on out. The HP cost for Kanji towards the end just seems too risky.

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#167 jello44

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:17 PM

So basically they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I think I'll continue leveling Kanji since he's already a few levels higher than Chie...decisions, decisions.

EDIT: reading some other forums...it seems MC, Yosuke, Chie, and Yukiko is the best end-game party. I think I'll ditch Kanji and try to bring Chie up and just use those four from here on out. The HP cost for Kanji towards the end just seems too risky.


I roll MC/Chie/Yuki/Teddie

Teddie has the better buffs and stronger magic. Youske is just about average in everything and excels in none, except maybe agility.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

really need to try to get into the game

how long is the game before you get into battles i played it around 90 mins and its all talk talk tlak
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:34 PM

Rough about two hours or so I believe.

I love how they made Naoto viable in Golden. I refused to use her in vanilla just because she offered nothing to the team but basic attacks and Almighty spells for boss fights. I never got around into leveling Kanji. I LOVE the character, but dislike him in fights.

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#170 Ryuukishi

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:53 PM

When I played on PS2 I used Chie/Kanji/Yukiko. A little heavy on physical, but the thing with Persona is you don't have to worry as much about party balance because the main character can do/be anything at any time. I probably would have used Teddie more but I couldn't stand the sound he made when he walks.

I read about the changes to Naoto in Golden and I'm looking forward to actually using her.

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#171 slidecage

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

well seems this game goes back into the Backlog after buying

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#172 sherlock2g

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

Does anyone know where I can download the soundtrack for both P4 Golden and the anime?

#173 SynGamer

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

So I finally beat
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and I must say...it wasn't all that hard. My MC was level 44, Yosuke was 41, Chie was 38, and Yukiko was 40. What really saved me was Yukiko had Mediarama AND I had fused Black Frost early into this dungeon and he obtained Agidyne literally 5 minutes into grinding on the 9th floor.

Ideal Persona Setup:
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I just finished Summer and opened up what I hope is the last social link to be found in the game. Now it's just a matter of romancing my lady and leveling those S.Links.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

So I finally beat

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and I must say...it wasn't all that hard. My MC was level 44, Yosuke was 41, Chie was 38, and Yukiko was 40. What really saved me was Yukiko had Mediarama AND I had fused Black Frost early into this dungeon and he obtained Agidyne literally 5 minutes into grinding on the 9th floor.

Ideal Persona Setup:
Spoiler


I just finished Summer and opened up what I hope is the last social link to be found in the game. Now it's just a matter of romancing my lady and leveling those S.Links.

Nah, I'm sure you haven't found all the social links yet. If you look through the social links, they're actually numbered with roman numerals and I'm sure you can find out which ones you haven't gotten yet based on looking through them. Hint:
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And just wait till you have that attack combo with an elemental attack that does "severe" damage. I currently have a:
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#175 SynGamer

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

I think I'll worry about Maxing Social links and getting all the books on my second playthrough. I'm just going to focus on maxing my stats this time through.

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#176 wtsutton

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

FINALLY finished it last night with the true ending. 80 hours and MC was 85th level. Ran nearly the entire game with MC, Youske, Chie and Yokiko. Was really shocked to see that, after initially getting the bad ending and going back to restart from the save point right before it, I actually put in another 20 hours. That's insane to think that much game play can be left untouched by people who don't know better.

Thing that really impressed me...80 hour game and it was all plot and little to no grinding to inflate the game length.

PS: When ever Kanji talks, all I can think of is Will Arnett from Arrested Development.

#177 SynGamer

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:24 AM

Took a few days off from the game. Loving it so far. Wish I had more time for the social interactions. About 55 hours in, just beat the
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#178 knightsdwn

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:11 PM

My first play through is winding down
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and have also been watching the P4 anime. I also just picked up P4 Arena for $20. Man, talk about a Persona 4 overload yet I still can't get enough ;)

I've been looking around for more P4 related items to consume and it seems collecting figures are the next step. So I guess this is how it begins...

#179 jello44

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:30 PM

My first play through is winding down

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and have also been watching the P4 anime. I also just picked up P4 Arena for $20. Man, talk about a Persona 4 overload yet I still can't get enough ;)

I've been looking around for more P4 related items to consume and it seems collecting figures are the next step. So I guess this is how it begins...


I could never justify the price of some of figures, they're far too much for a piece of plastic.

They do look nice though.

#180 knightsdwn

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

I could never justify the price of some of figures, they're far too much for a piece of plastic.

They do look nice though.


Yeah I agree, but you can get lucky and find some deals on ebay and other sites.

I've just ordered this Chie figure (http://www.amazon.co...a/dp/B007F89NHQ) from a ebay seller for $32 shipped.