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#31 KingBroly

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:05 AM

He only shows up on the N boards to troll. Been that way for years now.


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#32 spmahn

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:42 AM

He only shows up on the N boards to troll. Been that way for years now.


Yes, because your ad hominem attacks are really adding to the discussion :roll:

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:49 AM

Your broken record isn't.


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#34 TheLongshot

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:52 AM

My logic (which is in no way technical) is that if Sony could do it via hardware on the early PS3s and through software on the 2nd gen PS3s, why can't Nintendo do the same with the Wii U? Sure the Wii is more power than the PS2, but the Wii U is likely going to be noticeably more powerful than the PS3. I'm guesing cost is a factor but seeing as how people have been clamoring for a HD Wii, it seems like such a useful addition.


I never had a PS2 capable PS3, but did it do an HD upconvert, or was it just a PS2 with the benefit of HDMI? I bet it is the latter. To be honest, my PS2 games look pretty decent on my PS2 with component cables. Meanwhile, PS1 games still look like shit on the PS3.

My money's on Nintendo wanting to get in on the HD "remake" market... but either way, I get it, it's a pipe dream.

Overall, I'm pretty sick of all these companies wanting to double dip on the games we already purchased though (unless they're actual HD remakes).


Well, if you are sick of it, you are not required to buy. Even tho the Sly Collection came out, I'm still playing Sly 3 on my PS2. I'm probably not buying the MGS collection because I have 2 and 3 yet to play on my PS2. Might buy the ICO/SotC collection because ICO isn't that easy to find on the PS2, and I never got far on SotC.

I've never had improved graphics be a driving factor as to whether I want to buy something or not.
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#35 spmahn

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 03:53 AM

Your broken record isn't.


It's doing a better job than you are

#36 TheLongshot

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:10 AM

spmahn,

Nintendo doesn't care what you individually want. They care about the features that will convince large numbers of people to buy their hardware. To do that, they do need to be more than "just a game console". With the Wii, they broadened their market to casual gamers that might not have otherwise considered a console and give an experience that multiple people in a household can enjoy. With this, they are looking to broaden that to the online community (something which they missed on with the Wii).

You say the other consoles already do what the presentation showed. BS. My PS3 doesn't have near the community features they are pushing. Now, I don't know how much I'd use it, but I could see being able to contact other gamers to talk about a game at my console being handy.

The funny thing is that I could see this being a trend. Microsoft has wanted an "everything machine" to be the centerpiece of a living room for years, and it wouldn't shock me if Microsoft continued to push that direction. Sony likes to copy what the other guys are doing.

And hey, if you want it to be just a game machine, no one says you have to buy into any of these things.
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#37 spmahn

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:21 AM

I feel however that if you're trying to be an "everything machine", instead of focusing on a couple of things that you do really well, you're just going to have a system that does a lot of different things, but most of them are half assed. I also feel that by trying to encroach into markets outside of your core competency, you're just asking for trouble.

The technology field is crowded and filled with juggernauts like Apple and Facebook and Amazon and Microsoft, and I really think it's foolish for Nintendo to try and horn in on this territory, they're not going to win. It remains to be seen if the niche that Nintendo created for itself with the Wii is still going to stick around for Round 2, or if they have jumped ship for the Androids and iPads of the world. Nintendo went for the quick easy money route for the Wii, but when the fad died, it died quick.

I'm not confident Nintendo is going to be able to pull through with this one, but maybe I'm wrong.

#38 TheLongshot

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:48 AM

I feel however that if you're trying to be an "everything machine", instead of focusing on a couple of things that you do really well, you're just going to have a system that does a lot of different things, but most of them are half assed. I also feel that by trying to encroach into markets outside of your core competency, you're just asking for trouble.


It isn't an "everything machine". It is a step further in the direction the Wii went, and something they acknowledged with the 3DS, and that is the linking of individuals together and getting us to play together. While we do have some of that in other consoles, it is still somewhat primitive.

The technology field is crowded and filled with juggernauts like Apple and Facebook and Amazon and Microsoft, and I really think it's foolish for Nintendo to try and horn in on this territory, they're not going to win. It remains to be seen if the niche that Nintendo created for itself with the Wii is still going to stick around for Round 2, or if they have jumped ship for the Androids and iPads of the world. Nintendo went for the quick easy money route for the Wii, but when the fad died, it died quick.


Then there are companies like RIM who never changed much and are paying the price. Those who survive are those who are willing to adjust what they do to the marketplace.

I don't see this horning in on anyone's territory. In fact, I could see them playing along with others eventually. I don't see this as being a replacement for Facebook, or Twitter, but it certainly could integrate with that.

And let's say this, whether you liked the Wii or not, there's no arguing that it was the best selling and most profitable console of this generation. Only taking it a half step forward rather than a full step like the other console makers did shorten the lifespan of the console, but they did benefit greatly from it while having the ability to learn what worked and what didn't in this generation, while bringing in the cash.

Yes, I do think selling a new console in an age when people are relatively happy with the PS3 and Xbox 360 is going to be a challenge. Is this going to be good enough to convince people to buy consoles? I don't know, but I do know that it isn't going to be done with a simple upgrade on the stat sheets and keeping it just a game machine. You need to stand out from the crowd.
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#39 spmahn

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:59 AM

I just wish Nintendo would focus more on software as well as cutesy gimmicks. Nintendo 3DS and I can list the number of must have games on it on one hand. Mario 3D Land is great, but not flawless. Kid Icarus is a mixed bag. Zelda and Star Fox were good but ports. Mario Kart was great as always, but didn't really innovate a whole lot. The fact that I haven't picked up my 3DS in 6 months is a problem. I just wish Nintendo would at least acknowledge their deficiencies in this area, and do a better job weeding out the shovelware crap and holding third parties to higher quality control standards.

#40 Schuey

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:12 AM

lol bro, they are having an hour e3 conference on the software for wii u.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:19 AM

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#42 Vinny

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:53 AM

Vin, I can't tell if you trying to intentionally miss the point or not, and then parlaying that into some typical "this is anti-consumer" rant to cover your tracks.


Wha..? I don't know. Did I miss something here?

I'm not saying it's anti-consumer but I don't like the trend.

Either way, I better stop before I unintentionally piss you off. If I already have, then oh well.

I never had a PS2 capable PS3, but did it do an HD upconvert, or was it just a PS2 with the benefit of HDMI? I bet it is the latter. To be honest, my PS2 games look pretty decent on my PS2 with component cables. Meanwhile, PS1 games still look like shit on the PS3.



Well, if you are sick of it, you are not required to buy. Even tho the Sly Collection came out, I'm still playing Sly 3 on my PS2. I'm probably not buying the MGS collection because I have 2 and 3 yet to play on my PS2. Might buy the ICO/SotC collection because ICO isn't that easy to find on the PS2, and I never got far on SotC.

I've never had improved graphics be a driving factor as to whether I want to buy something or not.


Early PS3s upscaled (not re-rendered) PS2 games to 720p/1080p. Sure they still looked bad but they were marginally smoother and had better image quality.

I get that I don't have to buy it (not sure why you're using that argument here... unless I sounded a lot bitcher than I meant to), I'm just saying it would have been nice to see BC continue and possibly improve over time as Sony's was until they quit.

BC is a major feature for me. And improved graphics aren't necessary but it can't hurt, can it?;)

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#43 Strell

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:53 AM

Either way, I better stop before I unintentionally piss you off. If I already have, then oh well.


No harm done, and I apologize if I came off a bit harsh.

I'm just saying the BC thing is being handled differently between all of the console companies. That's really all it boils down to, and the decisions being made affect how this all happens.

No big deal, and no worries on this end.


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#44 Zmonkay

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:25 AM

I fixed this for you so you can just pop in the name every 5 years instead of having to type all of that out! :D

I feel exactly the same way as you do. Ugh.


Haha, thanks for that added efficiency :D But seriously, this really only applies to Nintendo consoles for me. I will never back down from my stance that Nintendo makes the best games in the industry. However, they come few and far between, and are often the only games I own for their consoles. Doesn't stop me from buying every Nintendo console at or near launch, I just can't help myself :bouncy:

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 02:35 PM

Will there be E3 chat? Not sure if I'll be able to make it (i.e. past-due contract shenanigans), but I'd like to have a window up.

Last year's E3 chat was very entertaining. Iwata reading notes off his hands Palin-style didn't hurt, but CAG chat carried most of the load. So I'd at least like to be able to peek in even if I can't participate.

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#46 Vinny

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 04:17 PM

No harm done, and I apologize if I came off a bit harsh.

I'm just saying the BC thing is being handled differently between all of the console companies. That's really all it boils down to, and the decisions being made affect how this all happens.

No big deal, and no worries on this end.


No worries man. I just completely missed your point... :lol:

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#47 Strell

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:04 PM

Aye sir, it's good.

For what it's worth, I was quite disappointed with the announcement that BC wouldn't uprez games. Like you said, this probably means an HD remake here or there, and that will be an easy shutupandtakemymoney.jpeg move on Nintendo's part. Wind Waker in HD? Yes please, good god. Just playing Mario Galaxy with Dolphin-esque improvements is a nice thought (I don't have a PC that could handle that).

I'd settle for cheap(ish) digital distribution a la Jet Set Radio HD Remix type offerings, even though I prefer hard copies.


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#48 Javery

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:12 PM

Thinking about Wind Waker in HD and 16x9 makes my pants tight.

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#49 KingBroly

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:21 PM

Nikkei Rumor:
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- Wii U expected to cost 30,000 yen (meaning $300 for US)
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#50 Cao Cao

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:23 PM

Some rumors from Nikkei:
- WiiU price 30,000yen
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#51 foltzie

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 06:33 PM

Nikkei Rumor:
- 3DS XL, possibly out worldwide this summer
- Wii U expected to cost 30,000 yen (meaning $300 for US)


At current conversion rates 30,000 would be more equivalent to $380, but the 25,000 yen price for the 3DS resulted in a $250 launch price for the 3DS.

#52 Strell

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 07:40 PM

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#53 nixmahn

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:00 PM

I'm amazed that they don't do HD backwards comp. There are dolphin emulators that can run GC/Wii in 3D HD and Nintendo can't do that on Wii U system?

Announcing that will deffienaintly sell systems.

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#54 KingBroly

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:09 PM

I'm amazed that they don't do HD backwards comp. There are dolphin emulators that can run GC/Wii in 3D HD and Nintendo can't do that on Wii U system?

Announcing that will deffienaintly sell systems.


HD Remakes, duh.

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#55 Cao Cao

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 09:22 PM

Interesting structure, but I guess it fits with the earlier news that the presentation tomorrow will be almost entirely focused on Wii U.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:08 PM

I could be talked into a new, bigger 3DS with the circle thingy built in.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:46 PM

I could be talked into a new, bigger 3DS with the circle thingy built in.


but if it the price is 249.99 would you??

i think that is way overpriced



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#58 Javery

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

but if it the price is 249.99 would you??


Definitely not at $249 but maybe at $200 assuming I could get around $100 for the trade-in on my 3DS. I can also wait until the price drops.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 10:59 PM

can see 2 things


3ds Xl to go against the vita at 249.99

or vita falls to 199 and both of them go head to head at 199.99

i think the xl was like what 30 or 40 more then the basic dsi ?


sucks i just got a used 3ds off ebay for 130 with Tales of the abyss/ world ends with you / Chrono trigger

then again i probally can get 40 for world and triggger easy (knocking it down to 90) and 20 for Abyss (knocking it to 70) :) and nice thing its still under nintendo warranty till June 2013


Also about trade in

gamestop just drop 3DS from 65 to 55 but that is to be expected with all of the ones they got for 100 each (what i though was good till today but expired yesterday :(
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Posted 04 June 2012 - 11:30 PM

Ubisoft's conference was surprisingly awesome! Finally some Wii U footage but I hope the 8 games announced are not the only ones coming, I want the new splinter cell!