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#31 dohdough

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 02:51 PM

You have a despot and his family that is infringing on many peoples rights, and you have a man that you say may not have existed 2000 years ago.

So what? How is one better than the other? Why not use the birth of Buddha?

Not to mention the spread of the Gregorian calendar was a result of the need for uniformity.

It was the result of despots and their families infringing on peoples rights, imperialism, colonization, and making people convert to christianity.

#32 Knoell

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 05:14 PM

So what? How is one better than the other? Why not use the birth of Buddha?


It was the result of despots and their families infringing on peoples rights, imperialism, colonization, and making people convert to christianity.



Your bigoted vendetta against Christianity is duely noted.

Back to the actual conversation, all I am saying is that the move to switch the calendar was just one of many acts by the Kim's to subjegate their people.

#33 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:32 AM

Your bigoted vendetta against Christianity is duely noted.

Really? I didn't realize that asking you why basing the year on Jesus is better than basing it on a person like the Buddha and that somehow translates into saying that christianity is somehow inferior to buddhism? HAHAHAA...yeah...ok man...

Back to the actual conversation, all I am saying is that the move to switch the calendar was just one of many acts by the Kim's to subjegate their people.

So what would you say if the Gregorian Calendar was used in the same manner? Cause guess what...it was.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:43 AM

Most Christians seem to have the same attitude towards their beliefs that Jesus from Big Lebowski had about himself, in that you don't Fuck with him. But boy, they don't mind fucking with any other religion's god.
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#35 Knoell

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:55 AM

......Wow, I was talking about the fact that you relate an entirely peaceful religion to a line of despots who are purposely keeping their people down and subjegated. Anytime anyone relates Islam to violence, or oppression it is supposedly bigoted, so I figured I would return the favor.

I am not even sure what the hell Clak is talking about. You guys seem to have strong opinions about a man being evil that you claim never to have existed.....

#36 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:33 AM

......Wow, I was talking about the fact that you relate an entirely peaceful religion to a line of despots who are purposely keeping their people down and subjegated. Anytime anyone relates Islam to violence, or oppression it is supposedly bigoted, so I figured I would return the favor.

So...trolling then...? Because your current points are all over the fucking place and isn't even remotely related to your initial post about how their date system is based on a previous head of government and how ridiculous it is.

As for entirely peaceful religion, I'm guessing you don't know jack shit about little blips in history called THE CRUSADES.

You're the one that's saying that spreading the Gregorian Calendar was a non-violent exercise and contrasting it to the North Korean date system; not me. You "throwing it back" is like starting a conversation about tennis and screaming out "pork belly sammiches suck!!!" because I said I liked bacon, but not pork belly in a previous conversation. I know that makes no sense because you don't.

I am not even sure what the hell Clak is talking about. You guys seem to have strong opinions about a man being evil that you claim never to have existed.....

Uhhh...that's your persecution complex talking and a strawman. I can't think of any time or place where I, nor Clak, said that.

Btw, it's spelled subj-U-gated.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:13 AM

So...trolling then...? Because your current points are all over the fucking place and isn't even remotely related to your initial post about how their date system is based on a previous head of government and how ridiculous it is.


My points are all over the place?

Is that any crazier than basing the year off of a religious figure that might not have existed?:roll:


What makes "2012" so much more special than "100?"


You would think you could admit that the move to do this was to create a sense of eternity and divinity to the Kim's. Oh wait, you did:

So what would you say if the Gregorian Calendar was used in the same manner? Cause guess what...it was.


But instead of agreeing with my original statement that this was a ploy by the North Korean government, you bring up your unhealthy obsession and hatred for Christianity and compare it to this. Who cares if we disagree about the Gregorian calendar, that wasn't the point.

I am glad you could agree with me though......while telling me how wrong I was originally.....while agreeing with me.....

As for entirely peaceful religion, I'm guessing you don't know jack shit about little blips in history called THE CRUSADES.


Ohhh, but I thought such things didn't reflect the religion as a whole remember? Those were only the extremists ;)

You're the one that's saying that spreading the Gregorian Calendar was a non-violent exercise and contrasting it to the North Korean date system; not me. You "throwing it back" is like starting a conversation about tennis and screaming out "pork belly sammiches suck!!!" because I said I liked bacon, but not pork belly in a previous conversation. I know that makes no sense because you don't.


Show me some evidence where the spread of the Gregorian Calendar was an instrumental tool in forcibly converting people to Christianity. Otherwise you could say Bacon was too, because some people don't eat bacon but the Christians were eating it, and Christians converted people unwillingly, so bacon is a tool of Christianity!!!! ;)

#38 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:37 AM

My points are all over the place?

You would think you could admit that the move to do this was to create a sense of eternity and divinity to the Kim's. Oh wait, you did:

Holy Fuck balls...you're initial post is on this very fucking page. Are you that fucking full of shit?

Did you NOT make a comment about how ridiculous it is for North Korea to be at year 100 as if 2012 was so much better?

But instead of agreeing with my original statement that this was a ploy by the North Korean government, you bring up your unhealthy obsession and hatred for Christianity and compare it to this. Who cares if we disagree about the Gregorian calendar, that wasn't the point.

No, your point was to say how ridiculous it is for them to be in the year 100 or whatever while touting the superiority of the Gregorian system as if it's the "best" because it's the most common while ignoring the centuries of colonization that made it that way. Hacking up my posts doesn't change that.

I am glad you could agree with me though......while telling me how wrong I was originally.....while agreeing with me.....

You mean by removing all context from my posts, you can make it appear that way.

Ohhh, but I thought such things didn't reflect the religion as a whole remember? Those were only the extremists ;)

I've always said that religion was a tool of the power elite. The fact that you think you have me here is even more silly when historically, Muslims were far more tolerant then christianity, but I guess that means jack shit when you couldn't give a flying Fuck about history. It's not like I've never gone into deeper motivations.:roll:

Show me some evidence where the spread of the Gregorian Calendar was an instrumental tool in forcibly converting people to Christianity. Otherwise you could say Bacon was too, because some people don't eat bacon but the Christians were eating it, and Christians converted people unwillingly, so bacon is a tool of Christianity!!!! ;)

You show me how religion wasn't a tool of colonization first. Or did indigenous people just decide that their god/s were stupid once they heard about some dude named Jesus.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:24 AM

Holy Fuck balls...you're initial post is on this very fucking page. Are you that fucking full of shit?

Did you NOT make a comment about how ridiculous it is for North Korea to be at year 100 as if 2012 was so much better?

No, your point was to say how ridiculous it is for them to be in the year 100 or whatever while touting the superiority of the Gregorian system as if it's the "best" because it's the most common while ignoring the centuries of colonization that made it that way. Hacking up my posts doesn't change that.

You mean by removing all context from my posts, you can make it appear that way.

I've always said that religion was a tool of the power elite. The fact that you think you have me here is even more silly when historically, Muslims were far more tolerant then christianity, but I guess that means jack shit when you couldn't give a flying Fuck about history. It's not like I've never gone into deeper motivations.:roll:

You show me how religion wasn't a tool of colonization first. Or did indigenous people just decide that their god/s were stupid once they heard about some dude named Jesus.


Wow, Do you not understand the concept of this thread? People were bashing North Korea and how they are keeping their people down, and that they are indoctrinated to "love" their leader. I thought it was interesting that one way they are achieving this indoctrination was that they did this. They want everyone thinking about their "Leader"

I just read somewhere that they are in the Year 100 instead of 2012 because they go by the birth of Kim II Sung.


Maybe you are just confused because I mention 2012, however I had no thoughts about the Gregorian calendar at all at the time. I was merely connecting the two to make it easier to understand.

Jump the gun much? If thats touting the Gregorian calendar system as if it was the best system ever then "you got me".....However, I was just going by the current standard, but I guess I was way out of line....

I'm not going to get into the whole Muslim vs Christian thing with you again. You have your views and I have mine. Just live by your own rules for once.

As for your last paragraph, why are you still pushing the religion issue? I ask you a question specific to the topic, and you turn around and ask me a question that has nothing to do with the topic, or even your accusations of the Gregorian Calendar being an evil Christian tool. You seem to just want to argue how bad Christians were in the past.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:00 AM

Rebellion isn't much of an option, as I understand. Defection or attempted defection will result in lifetime hard labour convictions for your entire family, getting your hands on a weapon would probably be impossible and foreign intervention would be very difficult to attain as the nation is nuclear-armed and very unstable. Seems (almost, lest I eat my hat) impossible.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

I wish I could find the video again. I once watched this excellent documentary shot inside NK. The part I remember best is where a doctor from Nepal helped someone with severe vision problems (can't remember what exactly). After the bandages were removed and they were able to see, they thanked the dear leader. Not the doctor who did this for them, dear leader. They got up and thanked a portrait of Kim Jong-il.

See, many people have this idea that religion doesn't exist in NK, and that isn't true. They worship the Kims.


i saw this. very good documentary

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