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#391 PimpLimp

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

Namco Bandai is releasing free DLC for a Familiar called "Draggle" on Feb. 12th.

#392 Rodimus

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 03:04 PM

So after almost completing the desert (Summerland area) I decided to head back to the Ding Dong Dell area and pick up some familiars that Oliver & Esther have an affinity for. A water familiar found deep inside Ding Dong Well is a beast when it comes to raw strength. You're able to psyche him up too. Also picked up a Teeny Booper (Dragon familiar) for Oliver. Super high attack speed and movement. I still need to level him some more.

I must've tried 30-40 times fighting the Monoliths and still haven't had a chance to get one.

But I have to say I find the whole starting at level 1 thing a chore. Is there anyway later on where you don't have to grind them so much to make the effective?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 04:46 PM

I try to convince myself that I have a love/hate relationship with JRPGs but then I start wondering if it's really hate/hate. I'm really wanting to pick this up but I just wanted some general advice based on what I'm about to say.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm just too stupid for these types of games or something. Like something doesn't "click". I look at a game like this that appears to be geared towards a younger audience and wonder what's wrong with me when I struggle.

I don't want to have my hand held the whole time but I don't want to hit a wall (which happens in EVERY RPG for me) where all of a sudden I'm expected to grind for 10 hours just to get by one boss. The demo sucked IMO simply because of the lack of tutorial and I had no idea what I was doing. Sure it looked awesome and I really want to enjoy it but am afraid of everything I just mentioned.

So is it user-friendly to casual players and only as overly-complicated as you make it?
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#394 Lokki

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 07:25 PM

Sorry to steer off the current topic.... I really want this game but the cag in me says to wait. Especially considering my daunting backlog. So I guess the question is will this become really hard to find if I wait around for a drop or a sale?



This game leapfrogged past my whole back log and even made me stop playing WoW, which was the source of my backlog. I love it. I'm a huge cheap ass, but this game is well worth $60 to me.
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#395 Kazaganthi

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:17 AM

But I have to say I find the whole starting at level 1 thing a chore. Is there anyway later on where you don't have to grind them so much to make the effective?


Once you take to the open seas not too far in the game, you can visit an island north of Ding Dong Dell called Ugly Duckling Isle. It has a rare monster worth 2k exp.

Once you take to the air, you can visit a forest area west of Hamelin. You'll have 2 nice spells to compliment farming a rare monster there
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, that gives 8k exp, and some battles have 2-in-1 so 17k+ exp. I had Oliver level up twice in 1 battle, to show you how much exp that is.

It's all optional, you have to decide how much you want to do before tackling the next area/boss, if at all.

I don't want to have my hand held the whole time but I don't want to hit a wall (which happens in EVERY RPG for me) where all of a sudden I'm expected to grind for 10 hours just to get by one boss. The demo sucked IMO simply because of the lack of tutorial and I had no idea what I was doing. Sure it looked awesome and I really want to enjoy it but am afraid of everything I just mentioned.

So is it user-friendly to casual players and only as overly-complicated as you make it?


The demo doesn't work because the in-game tutorial is spread out over a long period of time. It might be 3 or 5 hours until you even get a 2nd party member?

The "need to grind" only comes up on certain bosses (one instance before you get 2nd party member, you're supposed to skip mobs because they'll hurt you bad). And you can either turn the game to easy, or use those EXP tips I said. Either way, it is not a long grind, and you can actually over level on accident with toko's.

"Grind for 10 hours" is not this game. I've only ever had it set to normal, and the grinding may take 30 minutes and you should be able to smash the boss after. Or use a different strategy. It really sucks you get "All-Out-Defense" sooooo late in the game, along with the Travel spell. Both should be given at/around Desert/Cast-a-Way-Cove, but weren't.

"Grind for 10 hours" could be this game if: you want to collect them all, and/or evolve them all to 3 forms. Which is why I loved the guide, I was able to see lvl.99 max stats and abilities and pick which familiars I wanted before I leveled them, and which final form I preferred in advance.


#396 Jodou

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:17 AM

But I have to say I find the whole starting at level 1 thing a chore. Is there anyway later on where you don't have to grind them so much to make the effective?

Tokos ease the grind a lot but keep in mind your main party is always leveling, so after only an hour or two you will have broken the fragile balance and make the game a lot easier. By the time I beat the game, everyone was level 99 except for my familiars who were in their 90's. Suffice to say, I steamrolled the end bosses and failed to find anything of challenge post-game. I felt a bit cheated honestly, because I like grinding towards goals and the Tokos are too exploitable.

Once you take to the air, you can visit a forest area west of Hamelin. You'll have 2 nice spells to compliment farming a rare monster there

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, that gives 8k exp, and some battles have 2-in-1 so 17k+ exp. I had Oliver level up twice in 1 battle, to show you how much exp that is.

Wait til you get to the final area and they give 28k exp per kill. ;)

#397 CAGkrazy

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:00 AM

Tokos ease the grind a lot but keep in mind your main party is always leveling, so after only an hour or two you will have broken the fragile balance and make the game a lot easier. By the time I beat the game, everyone was level 99 except for my familiars who were in their 90's. Suffice to say, I steamrolled the end bosses and failed to find anything of challenge post-game. I felt a bit cheated honestly, because I like grinding towards goals and the Tokos are too exploitable.
Wait til you get to the final area and they give 28k exp per kill. ;)


wish i had more time to spare to play like you but with work and house matters... i get lucky to get an hour or 2 a day of play time. btw, thanks for the info on tokos... i might look it grinding that enemy later in the game. just got the boat and backtracking to the previous maps trying to collect all available familiars in those areas before moving on.

quick question though... is there any benefit in maxing out first form familiars? or are you guys morphing all your tames to its final forms? having the OCD of collecting all familiars, it feel like its hard for me to morph any of my current 1st level forms...

#398 Jodou

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:57 AM

quick question though... is there any benefit in maxing out first form familiars? or are you guys morphing all your tames to its final forms? having the OCD of collecting all familiars, it feel like its hard for me to morph any of my current 1st level forms...

That's a loaded question but the short answer is no, unless you absolutely want to min/max.

Very few familiars have average growth and are early bloomers for first and second generations, which means they get the majority of stats very quickly and taper off until hitting level cap. In layman's terms, the longer you wait, the more you get from the stat carryover but each level gives less and less. The cumulative return is roughly 5-7% of stats overall once the familiar is hard capped, if you max out each generation. It's up to you if grinding the added exp is worth those stats.

#399 Vinny

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

I finally found North Billy Goat Bluff (I knew of the southern part, but figured the northern part was the blocked/dark/rainy part, didn't think it'd be just west of the southern part). I got one into fight with a Tokotoko... that was crazy. A while later, I got into to fight with two of them. Seeing one of my familiars go from level 1 to 28 was pretty funny.

The best part was that I actually caught one. I was surprised to see the prompt and then even more surprised to see that they still gave me the experience. I wonder if it's worth leveling?:-k

EDIT* Tokotoko needs 15K exp just to get to level 2. 15,000! His magic defense jumped up 69 points but his defense only went up 8. I'm guessing he makes a beast if you level him, but it'll take forever because he needs 30,000 for level 3.:-s

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#400 Rodimus

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:05 PM

I don't know what a Tokos is yet, but I'll head to the Ugly Ducking place and see what I can find.

I can't believe some people have beaten this already.

#401 Action!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:55 PM

I actually just beat it last night. Clocked at about 60 hours, having no other available sidequests or bounties before the endgame. Spent some time alchemizin' some nice equipment too.

Though I certainly had some minor beefs with the game, I absolutely loved it overall. Pretty much stole my nights after work right out from under me. Lucky that the fiancee enjoyed watching it too. Excited to get into this post game content. One more merit stamp reward to go!

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#402 Jodou

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

One more merit stamp reward to go!

Let me know if you get it because by my count I come up 5 merits short, if I completed an alchemy sidequest that involves grinding rare ingredients (which is pointless since there's nothing left to beat). Not sure if the game just gives you a gimme or if they really screwed up in handing out merits.

#403 Action!

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

Let me know if you get it because by my count I come up 5 merits short, if I completed an alchemy sidequest that involves grinding rare ingredients (which is pointless since there's nothing left to beat). Not sure if the game just gives you a gimme or if they really screwed up in handing out merits.



I know exactly what you're talking about (grinding now :roll:) and I think that they probably just screwed up on handing out stamps. I see nothing else in my journal or guide that rewards em.

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#404 Supremacy

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:07 AM

Ugh, I honestly could use some restraint right now. Semester just started and I already just want to play this game more.

#405 Kazaganthi

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:22 AM

Ugh, I honestly could use some restraint right now. Semester just started and I already just want to play this game more.


I have some extra confidence, will that work?


#406 Action!

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 04:35 AM

I've been saying I'm broken hearted all week. It's currently the best excuse we have in this household.

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#407 KrebStar

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:47 AM

Let me know if you get it because by my count I come up 5 merits short, if I completed an alchemy sidequest that involves grinding rare ingredients (which is pointless since there's nothing left to beat). Not sure if the game just gives you a gimme or if they really screwed up in handing out merits.



I got it tonight, and the last quest definitely just threw me the rest of the merits I needed to max out the card.

#408 Jodou

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:37 PM

I got it tonight, and the last quest definitely just threw me the rest of the merits I needed to max out the card.

LMAO, I guess math is hard for them when planning ahead. :lol:

I tried grinding scrolls last night and I give up. The best steal rate is on the trail but the mob is too rare there to efficiently farm. After two hours and zero scrolls, screw it.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:09 PM

Ok I'm starting to get pissed. I want to leave the desert area (I cleared the volcano today) but I still have one side quest left to finish. I need to capture one of those damn green banana bunch looking things for that guy who wants the 2 familiars but I can't cap one of the bastards. I am way overleveled for the desert by now, it is way harder to capture a familiar if they run away from you? I think I killed 20 of these bastards this afternoon but no dice. I then went down south toward the next area and I captured about 4 familiars in 20 minutes. Anyone have any ideas, I'm about ready to just say Fuck it and move one....the merit points aren't worth it.


That's funny. I captured that one in the second fight just after reaching the town. Just some bad luck for you.

#410 Rodimus

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:45 PM

Found that island with the Toko's. I managed to kill one but those monkeys and mites kick my ass. I can see how that island might break the game early on.

Quick question: familiars with double signs, what does that mean again? They level faster or higher stats? Also what does having an affinity for a genus do again?

#411 Jodou

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:18 PM

Quick question: familiars with double signs, what does that mean again? They level faster or higher stats? Also what does having an affinity for a genus do again?

Second paragraph down, after the foreword.

#412 Action!

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:32 PM

LMAO, I guess math is hard for them when planning ahead. :lol:

I tried grinding scrolls last night and I give up. The best steal rate is on the trail but the mob is too rare there to efficiently farm. After two hours and zero scrolls, screw it.



That'll be me tonight. I was gonna grind out more Kaleidostones because I wanted dat Primordial Sword, but I think I'll probably be fine without. Ended up spending two hours at Old Smoky last night trying to catch a gold Draggle. Finally got one. I find him very entertaining.

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#413 Jodou

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

That'll be me tonight. I was gonna grind out more Kaleidostones because I wanted dat Primordial Sword, but I think I'll probably be fine without. Ended up spending two hours at Old Smoky last night trying to catch a gold Draggle. Finally got one. I find him very entertaining.

You know you could have got his evolved form in glittering grotto, right? That's where I was farming for stones/scrolls at one point, because both his third forms are there and can even spawn in the same pack! Draggamuffin is way more common though, which was nice because he's the one that can drop scrolls. Never did though. : \

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:01 PM

You know you could have got his evolved form in glittering grotto, right? That's where I was farming for stones/scrolls at one point, because both his third forms are there and can even spawn in the same pack! Draggamuffin is way more common though, which was nice because he's the one that can drop scrolls. Never did though. : \


I do. The whole reason I left was because while farming, I was also doodling in my sketchbook. On hour two or three, after hearing the charm jingle playing for what I assumed was another Sasquish, I looked up just in time to see my Bone Baron ruthlessly cut down the Bedraggle that only wanted to come home with me. It was hard to watch.

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#415 KrebStar

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

I had a hell of a time grinding for stones in the Grotto, but I got lucky with the scrolls so I can't really complain.

Now I just need to decide on a good spot to start leveling familiars to fill out the collection.

#416 KB24

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:27 PM

What level during second stage do you need to get to final form?

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#417 Kazaganthi

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:25 PM

What level during second stage do you need to get to final form?


Each familiar is different. Usually around 35-ish. Best bet is to check their skills. Look at the last skill, it will give a level it will be learned at, and you'll be able to morph before that level, or around it.


#418 Jodou

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:45 AM

Now I just need to decide on a good spot to start leveling familiars to fill out the collection.

Ivory Tower. Do laps before the final boss room with veil on and attack any tokotokocolds you see for almost 30k exp a kill. They can be pretty rare, but I also found attacking the witches or mermites there ~15% of the time get paired with them as well. It's sick leveling.

#419 KB24

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 01:51 AM

Each familiar is different. Usually around 35-ish. Best bet is to check their skills. Look at the last skill, it will give a level it will be learned at, and you'll be able to morph before that level, or around it.


Great info! Thanks! I just got the dragon and I think I should do a little grinding, I'm at level 30ish and battles have been a pain

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#420 Supremacy

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:28 AM

Ivory Tower. Do laps before the final boss room with veil on and attack any tokotokocolds you see for almost 30k exp a kill. They can be pretty rare, but I also found attacking the witches or mermites there ~15% of the time get paired with them as well. It's sick leveling.


i just read your recommendation of turning griffy into the fire evolution too late, and went with ice. How big of a deal is it?