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#1 CheapyD

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:29 AM

The gang talks Tony Hawk HD, Xbox Live advertising, Fez patching, political correctness in games, pimpmobiles, and much more!

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#2 Twig

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:44 AM

Do I win anything this time?

worth a try

#3 hectorlaparka

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:48 AM

Penis.

I want the 360 version.

Just kidding. BTW, that intro song has to be the best CAGcast intro so far.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:50 AM

greedy me, greedy you....woooo almost 3AM and I'm here for CAGcast!

#5 Toss

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:59 AM

ehhhh?
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:07 AM

Thanks for the entertaining podcast.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:08 AM

Thank you Gaming Moses.

#8 LiK

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 07:16 AM

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:09 AM

Good show. That's all. BTW did you hear Peter Weller is going to play Batman in the animated version of Dark Knight Returns.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 08:36 AM

Glad to hear Shipwreck bought those Steam games with the anime girls. Start with Recettear, definitely the best of the three. It's a slow start but once you get into a dungeon the game is fantastic.
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#11 Yamato

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:09 AM

I have to agree, @Shipwreck I'm glad you picked up Recettear. I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the game myself, but I ended up having a blast with it. Also glad to hear you might be doing some streaming!

Did you guys realize that when a Steam game goes on sale, usually the whole franchise goes on sale with it? @CheapyD, you could have just picked up Sins Trinity for $5 instead of starting with Rebellion.

One last thing. I recently had my wisdom teeth removed and all I remember doing is playing Wizorb and taking copious amounts of pills. The medication might have amplified the game a little, but I had a good amount of fun with it, so I appreciate you pointing it out.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:39 AM

I am glad to hear someone else doesn't get American Girl dolls. I live in Atlanta and we have one of the few American Girl stores here. My daughter has two (she used birthday and Christmas money to buy them). They look like $20 dolls you can buy from Target.

Be careful Wombat. All of my daughter's friends have American Girl dolls and there is a mini arms race going on to see who can get the best outfits. Don't let Sabrina succumb to peer pressure or you will be broke!

BTW - People were bitching about Battlefield 4 because Battlefield 3 Premium just came out. They feel that EA is going to abandon support for BF3. Still seems silly since the beta for BF4 is scheduled for Fall 2013 which means the full game will not be out until either late 2013 or sometime in 2014 at the earliest. There are still unreleased maps for BF3, so I don't know what all the fuss is about.

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#13 Amnesia Bot

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:51 AM

I'm glad Wombat talked about that Penny Arcade Report article. He often has something interesting to add considering his job.

Good 'cast.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:59 AM

I'm with Wombat on the Xbox Dashboard. I want the blades back!
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#15 detectiveconan16

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

Must be a huge gas guzzler, Shipwreck.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

Wombat's doll story is frightening. Poor daddy.
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#17 detectiveconan16

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:15 PM

Shipwreck, you should have the local automobile club take a look at your Deville and pimp it out.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:15 PM

There is no Dyad demo for people to try before they buy yet, even though when you purchase the game you download the "Dyad Demo" and an unlock key.

I've done the first set of levels and I really like it, but some of the trophy levels are extremely frustrating.

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#19 Wombat

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:17 PM

There is no Dyad demo for people to try before they buy yet, even though when you purchase the game you download the "Dyad Demo" and an unlock key.

I've done the first set of levels and I really like it, but some of the trophy levels are extremely frustrating.



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#20 Stryffe2004

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:27 PM

Shipwreck, you should have the local automobile club take a look at your Deville and pimp it out.


As soon as Shipwreck gets in the car, it automatically becomes pimped out.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 02:55 PM

Finally, this makes my day. Winner winner chicken dinner?

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

I thought most of the outrage of the BF4 beta was that it was already announced and BF3 just came out a year ago.

I don't know really see why people are that upset. I assumed, which has now been confirmed, the game won't be coming out until Q4 2013.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:01 PM

Thanks for the shoutout of our headsets Shipwreck! I look forward to reading the review.

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#24 Dark Rider

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:02 PM

I don't think Destructoid's problems were that they wanted it to be different, but wanted features that were obviously left out. He seemed to think that it just felt like a barebones, "what we have to put in" game.
Things left out:

Unable to change music track that is currently playing.
No create-a-skater
No create-a-park
Absolutely no splitscreen or local multiplayer. (I played a lot of Tony Hawk splitscreen with friends.)
No movelist while playing.

All these little things added up for him. I personally won't be buying it. However, I would have loved it to be good. I think I will go dust off THPS2 or 3.

#25 shipwreck

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:23 PM

I don't think Destructoid's problems were that they wanted it to be different, but wanted features that were obviously left out. He seemed to think that it just felt like a barebones, "what we have to put in" game.
Things left out:

Unable to change music track that is currently playing.
No create-a-skater
No create-a-park
Absolutely no splitscreen or local multiplayer. (I played a lot of Tony Hawk splitscreen with friends.)
No movelist while playing.

All these little things added up for him. I personally won't be buying it. However, I would have loved it to be good. I think I will go dust off THPS2 or 3.


Those are very trivial complaints to me. The game is played in two-minute intervals, so it's not like looking at the menu outside of a session is too absurd. I haven't tried it but I'm assuming custom soundtracks are supported if you really need to skip a music track. I'm never going to play split screen Tony Hawk so that's not an issue for me. It makes much more sense to concentrate on online play in 2012. I just don't see those complaints adding up to a 4 out of 10. Especially since he didn't even mention new stuff that they added like Projectives.
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

The only problem with THPS is that half the soundtrack is there. And not having split-screen kinds sucks, but that shouldn't deter anyone from buying it. Especially if they've never played it before.
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#27 David Hibiki

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:37 PM

I'm going to have to side with MS with this one and will probably get flamed for it but whatever.

I think if you have been working on a game for so many months that your game should be ready to play. Years ago when you released a game It had to be 100% playable without any glitches of any sort, so why should companies get a free pass now? One patch should be plenty for all game developers.

The only exception should be MMOs or free to play large online games like Test Drive Unlimited or Forza Horizon, because those are constantly getting new online content.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:28 PM

While a part of me agrees with Wombat that offensive just for the point of offensive is a bad thing. Likewise, political correctness as well as the childish backlash against it is also annoying but there is no denying that the Tomb Raider kerfuffle has had an impact on the new God of War. Possibly to the huge detriment of the actual franchise.

In a recent interview, Santa Monica Studios has stated that they've reduced the violence against women in the upcoming God of War game because Kratos isn't like that, or some such nonsense. This is despite the first two games featuring beasts that were very much identifiable as females. Harpies, Medusas, Sirens, etc. Of course they are just monsters and as such, we don't care for them but going beyond that, Ascension is telling the story where Kratos breaks free from the influence of Ares, right?

And why? Because, as his tool of violence, Kratos was a general that killed indiscriminately. His story admitted that, even once the warriors were done, women and children would fall beneath his blade. This was also fairly common war practice in the greek myths. After all, without the blind rage guiding his blades, how could he have been tricked into killing his wife and child? A very pivotal moment in the characters development, and a crime so severe the Gods, as punishment, bound him in the ashes of his slain family.

But more than that, isn't this entire notion extremely sexist? "Look, this furry dude has a penis so it's 100% acceptable to slice off his clawed arm and lodge it up his nassal cavity until the dismembered hand holds the glistening brain aloft as a grisly trophy. Chances are VERY good he deserved it. This Medusa though? Catch her in a giant cup and left her go in the backyard." I'm pretty sure, as Kratos guided the massive murderous hordes of Sparta against Athens, every soldier took a few seconds to do a penis check. Because, naturally, when you are portraying a horrible, guiltless, murderous, slaughtering machine like Kratos, there are LINES you just don't cross...

I thought most of the outrage of the BF4 beta was that it was already announced and BF3 just came out a year ago.

I don't know really see why people are that upset. I assumed, which has now been confirmed, the game won't be coming out until Q4 2013.

The outrage was because it was EA. Not Nintendo, Activision, THQ, Sony, Microsoft, Capcom... nope, it was EA. Thus it is the most evil thing ever.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:33 PM

I'm going to have to side with MS with this one and will probably get flamed for it but whatever.

I think if you have been working on a game for so many months that your game should be ready to play. Years ago when you released a game It had to be 100% playable without any glitches of any sort, so why should companies get a free pass now? One patch should be plenty for all game developers.

The only exception should be MMOs or free to play large online games like Test Drive Unlimited or Forza Horizon, because those are constantly getting new online content.


Ya, but it seems like very few devs can accomplish this today and placing a huge pay wall is the double edge sword for smaller indie devs.

Has or is MS going to pull Fez off XBLA because I see little incentive for him to fix the problem. Most gamers don't read gaming media, so they won't hear about the bug and if it is only happening to a small percentage. Not saying it is right, but I can see why he is doing what he is doing.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

I'm going to have to side with MS with this one and will probably get flamed for it but whatever.

I think if you have been working on a game for so many months that your game should be ready to play. Years ago when you released a game It had to be 100% playable without any glitches of any sort, so why should companies get a free pass now? One patch should be plenty for all game developers.

The only exception should be MMOs or free to play large online games like Test Drive Unlimited or Forza Horizon, because those are constantly getting new online content.


Also, this is a false concept. There is a very long list of games that simply ship with bugs because they weren't caught in testing. Sometimes we call these sploits, sometimes they're called glitches. There was no magical era where games were 100% playable without any glitches. Moreover, games have become considerably more advanced. As such, a significantly larger amount of bughunting now occurs and nothing can truly be considered 100% glitch free. After all, Skyrim on PS3 introduced a glitch where going in the water, THE WATER, hard crashes the game. Not to mention your 360 has had about 9 motherboard revisions alone which, can make drastically different glitches for different systems. As an example, PS3's launch units occassionally have hardware which causes unforseen issues, namely the micro PS2 in the hardware.

Besides, the bandwidth to patch software, isn't that why you pay for Xbox Live Gold? The certification? Well, it can't be that good considering they constantly greenlight patches which dramatically break games.