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#3961 jza1218

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

Just saw what's basically horrible confirmation that bv and uber are exactly right (not that I doubted them...just wanted to see the reasoning for myself). I looked at my contracts again, and happened to notice my free agent that I signed earlier in the year, Pat Sims (who we know was only able to sign a 1 year deal), and he's listed as having 1 year remaining on his contract and has a 2013 cap hit of $0.

Sooo...yup...if you look at your salaries, anybody who is listed as 1 year remaining, will be a free agent when we hit the offseason. I counted, and I have 24 guys on my team who fall into this category (and at best, the game only let me negotiate with 7-8 of them during the season). And I talked to the Giants owner (jza1218), and he has 27. Awesome that EA fucked up contracts this severely, as I know for a fact that several of them should not be running out at the conclusion of the 2012 season. Get ready for a shitstorm, folks.


Hakeem Nicks is still on a rookie contract that doesn't expire until after next year, but he's unsigned for 2013 in this game. Just awesome (and no DVO, he won't be hitting free agency, so don't bother looking into him).

#3962 pitfallharry219

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

Just saw what's basically horrible confirmation that bv and uber are exactly right (not that I doubted them...just wanted to see the reasoning for myself). I looked at my contracts again, and happened to notice my free agent that I signed earlier in the year, Pat Sims (who we know was only able to sign a 1 year deal), and he's listed as having 1 year remaining on his contract and has a 2013 cap hit of $0.

Sooo...yup...if you look at your salaries, anybody who is listed as 1 year remaining, will be a free agent when we hit the offseason. I counted, and I have 24 guys on my team who fall into this category (and at best, the game only let me negotiate with 7-8 of them during the season). And I talked to the Giants owner (jza1218), and he has 27. Awesome that EA fucked up contracts this severely, as I know for a fact that several of them should not be running out at the conclusion of the 2012 season. Get ready for a shitstorm, folks.


That's what happened to me in the other league when I had the Giants.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

Hakeem Nicks is still on a rookie contract that doesn't expire until after next year, but he's unsigned for 2013 in this game. Just awesome (and no DVO, he won't be hitting free agency, so don't bother looking into him).


Funny. In the other league, I didn't have to re-sign Nicks until after the start of the 2nd season when he wanted to negotiate.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:22 PM

Madden actually has a day for this already. Before there's the free for all, there is a day or maybe 2? where you can sign or franchise any one going to be a free agent. As I said above, it sucks EA messed this up but nothing crazy bad because you will get that exclusive chance to resign those guys first.


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#3965 Blade3D

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:24 PM

It sucks that EA messed up the exact details on the contracts, BUT the good news is that you do get a chance to resign all these guys during the FA resigning period before they hit the open market. Not ideal if someone is in for an early, big pay day but given Madden... could be worse!


Ya this is what I was talking about, you get a chance to resign everyone that has their contract expiring. As the Vikings last year, my roster afterwards was like 35 players, almost my whole team left lol. Of course I had no money to spend...(stupid AP trade)
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#3966 n8rockerasu

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:42 PM

Christ...this was the first Madden i've bought in several years and it'll probably be several more before I get the next one. I picked it up this year because of the new engine, and while it's promising, there are too many things broken and exploits that you can take advantage of. That's just the gameplay side of things...then you have this problem with the contracts and no telling what else...the EA Madden website having a terrible design and is just overall annoying to use.

I honestly might just take a hiatus from the league. Everyone i've played with has been great but this game finds ways to make you not want to play anymore.


I bet you can't wait for that first EA UFC game now, huh? lol ;)

Madden actually has a day for this already. Before there's the free for all, there is a day or maybe 2? where you can sign or franchise any one going to be a free agent. As I said above, it sucks EA messed this up but nothing crazy bad because you will get that exclusive chance to resign those guys first.


Yeah, except that doesn't address the issue of so many contracts coming off the books at the same time. From what I'm seeing, it looks like there are contracts that SHOULD expire this year and then additionally, contracts that shouldn't be expiring. So, you're having to assign money (and most likely give raises) to players who should still be locked up...thus taking away funds for players who actually should be free agents. This is how you end up with more players to re-sign than you have cap room for. All these contracts shouldn't be expiring at the same time. I just don't understand how they screw something like this up. This isn't physics or programming limitations. It's basic "pay the Fuck attention to your job" skill level. It's unbelievable that they can't get simple things like numbers right. Yes, we can deal with it...but you can eat a shit sandwich and call it "lunch" too, lol.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:44 PM

I would like to look into trading for a tight end and maybe a wide receiver. I might also be looking for a safety depending on Reeds retirement status. Send me a PM with players you might be interested in and I will see what I can come up with. I may be willing to include draft picks also. I believe I have a top 5 pick. Future draft picks may also be available.

#3968 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:48 PM

Just wanted to make an official statement on this because I know DVO and Gpninja were revving up for it..but free agency WILL NOT be a free for all immediately once the offseason starts. Considering all these contract issues among other things, NO ONE should be making any moves until directed to do so.
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#3969 bvharris

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

In the other league, the people who suffered from it the most were the ones who didn't even bother to check their FAs. Hopefully since you guys have a heads up and will be more informed, you'll be able to mitigate the damage better than we were.

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#3970 GpNinja

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

I don't see what's the problem with the contracts. They didn't want to sign so your losing them! Simple as that lol

#3971 Blade3D

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:01 PM

I agree, you still have the opportunity to resign them before anyone, the only one who can screw that up is yourself. Anyone I plan on keeping I am going to make sure to pay...
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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:03 PM

I agree, you still have the opportunity to resign them before anyone, the only one who can screw that up is yourself. Anyone I plan on keeping I am going to make sure to pay...

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#3973 jza1218

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:57 PM

I agree, you still have the opportunity to resign them before anyone, the only one who can screw that up is yourself. Anyone I plan on keeping I am going to make sure to pay...


Yeah, upon further reflection you're probably right. Of course you only get one crack at signing a player, so you're going to get screwed at some point. Still, as long as you have an idea on how many players will be departing, who you want to attempt to keep and make the effort, this really shouldn't big a game changer. You'll still be able to try and sign them in free agency as well.

#3974 GpNinja

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:59 PM

Well if it says my agent will get back to you next week. Then you'll have another shot at signing them.

#3975 jza1218

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:01 AM

Well if the resigning period is only a week, and the following week starts free agency, how can you have another shot at signing them?

#3976 n8rockerasu

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:04 AM

I don't see what's the problem with the contracts. They didn't want to sign so your losing them! Simple as that lol


I agree, you still have the opportunity to resign them before anyone, the only one who can screw that up is yourself. Anyone I plan on keeping I am going to make sure to pay...


I'm not sure if we're all talking about the same thing, but are you guys saying don't see the potential problem with having 27 expiring contracts when you were only supposed to have maybe 18? In almost all cases, those players are going to want raises...so you most likely won't have enough money to re-sign all of them. Kenny Britt is a good example of this, as he was supposed to still be under his rookie contract for another year...and only be making about $2.3 million. Re-signing him early is surely going to cost a lot more. I guess you could argue that it's just forcing you to make a decision earlier, but it was still an unnecessary Fuck up on EA's part.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:04 AM

Hakeem Nicks is still on a rookie contract that doesn't expire until after next year, but he's unsigned for 2013 in this game. Just awesome (and no DVO, he won't be hitting free agency, so don't bother looking into him).


everyone gets one shot at signing there players and everyone has the same issue. u either sign them or u dont nothing anyone can do to chance it really. maybe some of these players had a opt off of contract type thing and they opted out. plus if WRs hit the FA and once n8 says go im off to the races

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#3978 CAGLeagueSports

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:14 AM

Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.
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#3979 jza1218

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:15 AM

So I'm thinking we're not having the draft until next week, right? It's just not feasible really.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:17 AM

Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.


I'm ok with limiting it to five, but what are you going to do if someone goes to six? Do you have the power to release that player? And then next offseason, do we again limit it to five years? Or do we go to 4?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:19 AM

Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.


i dont think there should be a cap then we would have to do all 2 or 3 year deals and the cost of contracts would be crazy. and roster wouldnt be able to fill i think u should only be allowed to go 1 extra year than what the player wants in his contract so if they want a 5 year contract then the max u can offer is 6 years. and trust everyone will do the right thing. plus if everyone is allowed to do 7 year deals then it fair and then it all comes down to who pays more wins like a really contract battle goes in the real nfl. IMO that is all

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#3982 jza1218

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:21 AM

i dont think there should be a cap then we would have to do all 2 or 3 year deals and the cost of contracts would be crazy. and roster wouldnt be able to fill i think u should only be allowed to go 1 extra year than what the player wants in his contract so if they want a 5 year contract then the max u can offer is 6 years. and trust everyone will do the right thing. plus if everyone is allowed to do 7 year deals then it fair and then it all comes down to who pays more wins like a really contract battle goes in the real nfl. IMO that is all


So everyone should make seven-year offers is what you're saying?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:23 AM

Just want to throw this out there as an idea, do we want to put a cap on contract length for free agent offers? I know the other league had some issues with people getting players just by offering them 7-8 year deals (which of course automatically get backloaded), knowing full well that the league won't play that many seasons. Seems like a pretty shady way to make sure you get the free agent you want.


I'd highly endorse this.

It's too late for us since people already started doing it, pretty much everyone had to at that point or risk being at a disadvantage. Hell, I've done it myself now. If you can get out ahead of this, I think it would be a very good idea.

We might think about capping it starting next offseason, but it's still a discussion we need to have.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:24 AM

it would end that problem pretty quick and easy. people should be able to offer wut they want for contracts alot of people try to stay away form bonus so if they trade them or cut them they dont lose money that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap. it really comes down to who has a better contract and if that player would rather play with that team or not.

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#3985 bvharris

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:28 AM

that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap.


The majority of players in the NFL are on contracts which can be cut without cap penalty. Plenty of stars also have contracts which can be cut without cap penalty (many such contracts are in the game already). It definitely happens in real life.

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#3986 jza1218

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:28 AM

But you're basically endorsing people offering disingenuous contracts. You know that we won't play seven years, so load that baby up and you'll get a player you want without really having to pay him, since the deal is backloaded.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:32 AM

I dont see whats wrong with a 5 year deal since many players in real life do sign for that long...I'd rather have that then everybody sign 2-3 year deals which cause everyone's contracts to be front-loaded. I think that 1 year beyond what the player wants is reasonable.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

The problem with the one year beyond what the player wants is that there really is no way to regulate it, unless someone takes the time to log it for everyone.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

it would end that problem pretty quick and easy. people should be able to offer wut they want for contracts alot of people try to stay away form bonus so if they trade them or cut them they dont lose money that wouldnt work in real life either and could be considered just as cheap. it really comes down to who has a better contract and if that player would rather play with that team or not.


How is it "realistic" for people to overpay on a backloaded contract that they know they won't have to follow through with because the league won't last that long? That isn't "strategy". It's gaming the system. The only potential problem I could see coming out of it is players who WANT long-term deals like you said.

I haven't done extensive research or anything, and I'm really just thinking out loud, but my basic idea would be that you can only offer the player the EXACT amount of years they're asking for. Then, if people want to overpay, that's their business and will be to the detriment of their team. I also don't know how common it is for players to request 7-8 year deals. But it's insulting to act like this wasn't a legitimate problem when tanabeo started it in the other league.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

well if we only polan on playing 2 or 3 years then we should only offer 2 or 3 years contracts and then people will be paying crazy amounts. lets say u have a young WR thats a star or young QB u dont think a team in real life would offer them a 7 year deal or u think they just give him a 2 or 3 or 4 year deal i think a contract depends on a players long term value to the team not how long we are going to play. we should offer contracts in a realistic type form

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