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#7561 irideabike

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:47 PM

Just throwing this out there, but Drew Brees in this game is a tank. He ran over Cliff Avril and broke two other tackles in the same run, it was incredible.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:54 PM

It's funny because I made such a point not to do anything that might be considered annoying. I ran 1 screen the whole game. I didn't blitz excessively, I didn't drop 9 guys into coverage. I had no idea that you couldn't do the no huddle. Just like I had no idea that 4 or 5 times in a game is excessive. My bad.


Just a note: I don't think anyone cares if you run screens, blitz, or play prevent coverage. Those are all things that can be easily countered, and are not excessively cheap. Anyone else agree?

#7563 irideabike

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:31 AM

Just a note: I don't think anyone cares if you run screens, blitz, or play prevent coverage. Those are all things that can be easily countered, and are not excessively cheap. Anyone else agree?

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#7564 pitfallharry219

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

I don't have a problem with blitzes or prevent defense, but excessive screens are a hugely cheesy move.

#7565 irideabike

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:55 AM

2-3 screens in a game isn't too terrible. More than that is cheesin it

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

It's funny because I made such a point not to do anything that might be considered annoying. I ran 1 screen the whole game. I didn't blitz excessively, I didn't drop 9 guys into coverage. I had no idea that you couldn't do the no huddle. Just like I had no idea that 4 or 5 times in a game is excessive. My bad.


Yeah, the mentality I've tried to establish with this league is that banning specific "types of plays" is stupid. If you go down that road, you might as well ban passes to the TE because those are easy to abuse as well. The only type of play that isn't allowed is 5 wide streaks and then taking off with the QB. That's garbage, and shows clear intent of manipulating the game. Both you and I had QB runs in that game, and I thought they were fine.

When 9 guys drop back into coverage, you SHOULD be allowed to take off with the QB. I had 9 dropping back into coverage in obvious passing situations (but I also had people spying the QB). That's just smart defense. The only thing I am against is anything that gives someone an unfair advantage...which overly using hurry up does, for the reasons I mentioned. If you're losing and running out of time, then of course, it becomes necessary. Otherwise, you're basically just trying to hurry up and get another play because you like what you see.

I don't have a problem with you joining if you can adhere to those rules. A lot of our policies are similar to the official league, but we do have some distinct differences as well. As long as you're ok with shaping your game to fit the rules of this league, you're welcome to join.

#7567 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:58 AM

I don't have a problem with blitzes or prevent defense, but excessive screens are a hugely cheesy move.


I don't disagree, but with the way TE passes are this year, is it really any worse? At some point, Madden is just Madden.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:59 AM

I don't have a problem with blitzes or prevent defense, but excessive screens are a hugely cheesy move.


I personally hate the TE pass over and over and over again with the right TE its almost impossible to defend for some reason.

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#7569 pitfallharry219

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

Yeah, Blade has mastered those plays this year. They're nearly impossible to stop.

#7570 staticz

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:15 AM

It varies league by league so I'm not going to make a big deal out of this, but dropping 9 back on defense is the definition of cheese. It's been that way since I started playing Madden.
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#7571 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:09 AM

It varies league by league so I'm not going to make a big deal out of this, but dropping 9 back on defense is the definition of cheese. It's been that way since I started playing Madden.


Well, what's considered "dropping a d-lineman back into coverage"? If my opponent goes 4 or 5 wide with a scrambling QB, I might call a quarters defense and tell my DE's to QB spy. And if I'm getting burned on HB screens, I might even put a DE into a flat zone to help out (since it's not the completion that hurts you...it's the "hey, nobody's there to tackle his ass). Considering how easy passing is in this game (TE, HB or otherwise), sometimes I feel like if guys aren't double teamed, it's just an easy reception.

And honestly, complaining about it really feels like a crybaby way of cherry picking what plays someone likes and what plays they don't like. I've had people tear me a new asshole by running a draw if I'm playing quarters. Like anything in the game, if there's a legitimate counter for it, how can it be considered cheesy?

But if you're going to say pass heavy defense is cheesy...then HB screens are cheesy...throwing to the TE is cheesy....QB scrambling is cheesy....lob passes to a leaping WR are cheesy...moving your LB around before the snap is cheesy. God damn, I guess playing Madden at all is pretty cheesy.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

Pulling a Dlineman to me is dropping them were the linebackers are and control them in coverage. That should never happen If your getting burnt on screens put your skill points into the play recognize then the'll be able to pull off their man and they run towards the HB.

#7573 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

Pulling a Dlineman to me is dropping them were the linebackers are and control them in coverage. That should never happen If your getting burnt on screens put your skill points into the play recognize then the'll be able to pull off their man and they run towards the HB.


Pretty much all of my defensive starters have play recognition at least 82 or above. It's still Madden. When I played njrockpd, I had one DE in QB contain and one in QB spy, and he dropped back to pass, saw nobody was open, scrambled to the sideline and eventually decided to run, gaining 5 yards and almost picking up the first down (this was Phillip Rivers). My 2 DE's were just standing there shadowing him. You can call the right plays and make the right adjustments, but the AI is still dumb as a rock. That's just Madden. As long as what somebody is doing doesn't give them an unfair advantage, it's going to be allowed. There doesn't need to be any discussion on it. Play by league policy or get to steppin.

#7574 GpNinja

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:20 AM

Pretty much all of my defensive starters have play recognition at least 82 or above. It's still Madden.

I mean I never run screens I always get stopped.

#7575 irideabike

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:23 AM

If a player is dropping lineman in coverage run draws. Or just commit to the run game and do play action mixed in as well. There is always an answer to every D situation imo, you just adjust to what is there

#7576 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:27 AM

I mean I never run screens I always get stopped.


Yeah, but the idea behind defense is that if you're set up to stop one thing, you're probably leaving yourself open for something else. I'm not saying I don't know how to stop screens. But player performance varies game to game. If my LBs are playing like shit, I may put a DE in a flat zone to help out. But that opens me up to the running game. There's nothing unfair about it.

If my opponent catches on and starts running all over my ass, I'll switch my strategy again. You SHOULD be forced to change your strategy in the game (both offensively and defensively). That's how you know you're in a good game. Anybody getting mad that they can't keep doing the same thing the entire game is an idiot.

#7577 njrockpd

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:31 AM

Pretty much all of my defensive starters have play recognition at least 82 or above. It's still Madden. When I played njrockpd, I had one DE in QB contain and one in QB spy, and he dropped back to pass, saw nobody was open, scrambled to the sideline and eventually decided to run, gaining 5 yards and almost picking up the first down (this was Phillip Rivers). My 2 DE's were just standing there shadowing him. You can call the right plays and make the right adjustments, but the AI is still dumb as a rock. That's just Madden. As long as what somebody is doing doesn't give them an unfair advantage, it's going to be allowed. There doesn't need to be any discussion on it. Play by league policy or get to steppin.


I understand the rules are don't abuse the game and I understand that. My one argument is when I am aggressively blitzed my answer is throwing the screen. If someone brings the house I'm going to drop the ball off to my RB to gain a ton of yardage. If the person keeps blitzing I feel I should be able to keep dropping it off. I'll respect the rules of the league, but those people who repeatedly do the same defensive play should have to respect that rule as well.

#7578 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

I understand the rules are don't abuse the game and I understand that. My one argument is when I am aggressively blitzed my answer is throwing the screen. If someone brings the house I'm going to drop the ball off to my RB to gain a ton of yardage. If the person keeps blitzing I feel I should be able to keep dropping it off. I'll respect the rules of the league, but those people who repeatedly do the same defensive play should have to respect that rule as well.


Wait...what? I think you're missing something here. I've been saying it's ok to do HB screens. It's part of the game...and is no more cheesy than some of the other "money plays" in Madden. You might want to go back and read through this page again, lol.

#7579 njrockpd

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:53 AM

Wait...what? I think you're missing something here. I've been saying it's ok to do HB screens. It's part of the game...and is no more cheesy than some of the other "money plays" in Madden. You might want to go back and read through this page again, lol.


My bad I must have misread something. Either way I will respect the rules of the league so can we make it official. Am I the new Chargers GM?

#7580 GpNinja

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:14 AM

Just throwing this out there, but Drew Brees in this game is a tank. He ran over Cliff Avril and broke two other tackles in the same run, it was incredible.

He's gonna get hurt then what are you going to do. Lol

#7581 staticz

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

If a player is dropping lineman in coverage run draws. Or just commit to the run game and do play action mixed in as well. There is always an answer to every D situation imo, you just adjust to what is there


My problem with it is that if I'm running 5 wide and you drop 9 back, by the time I realize no one is open and take off people will scream about QB cheese. By running that type of defense you are basically asking for someone to use an exploit to move the ball. They'll either have to wait for the play to develop and hope someone gets open or take off.

I definitely think you can and should adjust to anything. Like I said earlier, rules are rules and I'll follow them.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:32 AM

I personally hate the TE pass over and over and over again with the right TE its almost impossible to defend for some reason.


From what i've noticed in my games in this league is that most guys just use man coverage almost every play. This creates mismatches with the TE being covered by either a linebacker or safety. Linebackers usually don't have good cover skills so they can be easily beat. A safety is usually too far off the line to cover a TE effectively in man coverage on short routes. You usually have to user him into position and not all safeties are good in MCV anyway. You can always user a defender yourself, but it's not like you can't be fooled or thrown off by a good route and get burned for a big gain. The top 4 leaders in receptions in the entire league are either a TE or HB. That is a result of these mismatches in man coverage. Sure, you cover the outside receivers well, but you leave these other guys open. You can always put more cover guys in the game, but prepare to get bowled over in the running game. Theres not much you can do about it except change up your defense or get players who can cover these TEs and RBs. Theres really only 1 team that has at least decent man coverage linebackers at all starting positions and a safety who can cover and that team is undefeated.

I understand that sometimes it seems impossible. One game I played this season, I got burned by a TE on a lot of plays, even though I had Ed Reed in man coverage with him on almost every play. This TE wasn't even a receiving TE, he had like 69 speed. The game is flawed in more ways than one. There's only so much you can do about these things now that everyone knows about them. EA will probably tweak the game for this year and they will improve these things, but they will just create flaws in other areas of the game.

As far as my game with the Titans goes. It was close the entire game. As expected, I got ran over on most plays. Chris Johnson would run directly into my blitz and pick up 10 yards anyway. Inside or outside, it didn't matter. Biggest running lanes I have ever seen. I somehow pulled out a win even though I nearly screwed it up at the end with a dumb decision. Titans score to tie the game late and I returned the kickoff for a TD. I was so excited that I finally broke one, I wasn't thinking that I should have just fell down at around the 10 and kicked the field goal as time expired. I realized this as I broke the plane and felt really stupid as the Titans went down the field again. He got into the red zone, but failed on 4th down and I took a knee to end the game. Good win for me. I needed it to stick with the records of the top AFC teams as well as building a lead in the North as I face the Steelers in week 10.

#7583 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:38 AM

My bad I must have misread something. Either way I will respect the rules of the league so can we make it official. Am I the new Chargers GM?


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My problem with it is that if I'm running 5 wide and you drop 9 back, by the time I realize no one is open and take off people will scream about QB cheese. By running that type of defense you are basically asking for someone to use an exploit to move the ball. They'll either have to wait for the play to develop and hope someone gets open or take off.

I definitely think you can and should adjust to anything. Like I said earlier, rules are rules and I'll follow them.


I realize we're starting to tread toward gray areas which are always going to be interpreted differently, but if all 5 of your WRs aren't on streak routes, then you're ok. Even if all 5 WRs ARE on streak routes, if you don't just take off immediately, you're ok. I've really just started to learn to run with my QB, and I can promise that 100% of the time, when I do it, the run was not planned. I just see that every receiver is blanketed, and I try to make something positive out of the play.

We're definitely not going to be punishing people for simply being aware in this league. And really, in a perfect world, people wouldn't be all hung up on these individual rules. Ultimately, if you're trying to be devious and pull shit, it's going to be obvious and you're going to be punished for it. But if you're just playing the game according to the score and situation, you'll probably be ok. Some people just make it way more complicated than it needs to be.

#7584 pitfallharry219

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:39 AM

n8, did you get a chance yet to put Franky on autopilot?

#7585 n8rockerasu

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:45 AM

From what i've noticed in my games in this league is that most guys just use man coverage almost every play. This creates mismatches with the TE being covered by either a linebacker or safety. Linebackers usually don't have good cover skills so they can be easily beat. A safety is usually too far off the line to cover a TE effectively in man coverage on short routes. You usually have to user him into position and not all safeties are good in MCV anyway. You can always user a defender yourself, but it's not like you can't be fooled or thrown off by a good route and get burned for a big gain. The top 4 leaders in receptions in the entire league are either a TE or HB. That is a result of these mismatches in man coverage. Sure, you cover the outside receivers well, but you leave these other guys open. You can always put more cover guys in the game, but prepare to get bowled over in the running game. Theres not much you can do about it except change up your defense or get players who can cover these TEs and RBs. Theres really only 1 team that has at least decent man coverage linebackers at all starting positions and a safety who can cover and that team is undefeated.

I understand that sometimes it seems impossible. One game I played this season, I got burned by a TE on a lot of plays, even though I had Ed Reed in man coverage with him on almost every play. This TE wasn't even a receiving TE, he had like 69 speed. The game is flawed in more ways than one. There's only so much you can do about these things now that everyone knows about them. EA will probably tweak the game for this year and they will improve these things, but they will just create flaws in other areas of the game.


Agree with all of this. It's just something that wasn't programmed very well, and we have to deal with it the best that we can. I agree completely that LBs and Safeties seem to just not have the MCV to hang with the TEs. Honesstly, I think that's basically the problem. EA made way too many TEs capable of Gronkowski like moves. Their head fakes throw off even some of the better safeties, and their release seems to be just as good as your top WRs (even if their ratings don't reflect that). But at the end of the day...that's the game we were given this year. It's also worth noting that zone coverage was discovered to be largely ineffective this year (at least in base defenses)...which is why I think most people play man. If anyone knows of some good zone coverage plays, I'd be happy to try them out. :)

As far as my game with the Titans goes. It was close the entire game. As expected, I got ran over on most plays. Chris Johnson would run directly into my blitz and pick up 10 yards anyway. Inside or outside, it didn't matter. Biggest running lanes I have ever seen. I somehow pulled out a win even though I nearly screwed it up at the end with a dumb decision. Titans score to tie the game late and I returned the kickoff for a TD. I was so excited that I finally broke one, I wasn't thinking that I should have just fell down at around the 10 and kicked the field goal as time expired. I realized this as I broke the plane and felt really stupid as the Titans went down the field again. He got into the red zone, but failed on 4th down and I took a knee to end the game. Good win for me. I needed it to stick with the records of the top AFC teams as well as building a lead in the North as I face the Steelers in week 10.


Yeah, definitely a good game. When you converted that 3rd down on the opening drive, I just had a bad feeling. The coverage was there, and I switched to the defender to try to get the user INT, and he just did nothing. I felt like I couldn't catch a break too. CJ"s fumble on what was one of the more innocent hits in the game (he did get rocked all to hell a couple times though). Then, your fumble at the end of the half with the ball just laying there in the open, and my guy dives on it with no time left on the clock. Then, the pass interference call when I was trying to go for a user INT. Just not my game to win. I knew I'd lose a close one sooner or later. Good game.

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#7586 irideabike

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:34 AM

Two games left:

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#7587 Blade3D

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:19 AM

Yeah, Blade has mastered those plays this year. They're nearly impossible to stop.


Haha, I have almost equal receptions between my TE and top 2 WRs, I think they all have around low 20s a piece. I spread the ball around, and have a good balance between run/pass plays.

I do agree though, the TEs do create an obvious mismatch. I've said that since it was brought up.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:30 AM

Two games left:

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PM'd the Cowboys yesterday. Just waiting on a response

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

uber is on auto pilot now, btw.


I told DVO, but sorry guys, just moved yesterday and as of 1pm EST (our scheduled time) I didn't even know where my xbox was among all my boxes. I should have let him know, but it's been chaos over here! I'm all set up and should be good to go moving forward.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

Crap, guess I missed you pitfall. The last few days have been super busy but I can still play anytime today if you haven't already.

Looks like I got CPU'd...not being able to play BEFORE the deadline has expired means you take a loss (user plays CPU)? I'm not going to check this page 24 / 7 but should always be able to play before the deadline, which is still the case. It's not like we were waiting on my game to advance the week.
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