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#11491 n8rockerasu

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:24 AM

To be fair, when I got Demps his carry was like 65-70. It took a while before I could even play him without fumbling. He sat behind Reggie last year for a reason.

Edit: For anyone wondering, it's at like 91-92 now.


He can't fumble if he doesn't get touched ;) At least I haven't seen that in this year's Madden...though it would be hilarious...just be running down the field swinging your arm and suddenly throw the ball behind you. But yeah, I think the people who had success with him (Hemingway had him in Season 1...and had several big games with him before being called out on it and subsequently trading him) were able to call plays where he went untouched. He was easily equal to a Chris Johnson or somebody...but with a league minimum contract.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:26 AM

lol...are you serious, man? The entire discussion in here today has been about SPC not mattering, AWR not mattering, etc. Previously, it's been said that BCV doesn't do anything. Because of zone coverage being broken, you could argue that ZCV is worthless. And it goes on from there.


Clearly you misread. SPC isn't meaningless, it's just not nearly as important as an attribute like CIT. AWR matters, just not for a user player. I've seen arguments on whether BCV doesn't do anything or not, but if that is the case, then why is it even in the game. If it didn't mean anything, EA wouldn't waste their time coming up with that rating for every NFL player. They would just get rid of it like Pass/Run Block Footwork and other ratings that used to exist, but don't now. ZCV does something, it's just not an effective defensive strategy. You wouldn't be very smart to choose mostly ZCV plays. I use ZCV on occasion and have picked people off, so it's not a useless attribute, it just doesn't work nearly as well as MCV does.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:32 AM

I believe BCV and stats like that go towards the OVR say if Adrian Peterson's AWR and BCV were like 20 he would be in the 70's OVR. But he would still have great speed juking ect.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:33 AM

I've had Roy Helu fumble without being touched. I dove before getting hit and he fumbled in mid air without being touched. Never took a hit. Happened in the first season. It's the reason I benched him for good.
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#11495 n8rockerasu

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

Clearly you misread. SPC isn't meaningless, it's just not nearly as important as an attribute like CIT. AWR matters, just not for a user player. I've seen arguments on whether BCV doesn't do anything or not, but if that is the case, then why is it even in the game. If it didn't mean anything, EA wouldn't waste their time coming up with that rating for every NFL player. They would just get rid of it like Pass/Run Block Footwork and other ratings that used to exist, but don't now. ZCV does something, it's just not an effective defensive strategy. You wouldn't be very smart to choose mostly ZCV plays. I use ZCV on occasion and have picked people off, so it's not a useless attribute, it just doesn't work nearly as well as MCV does.


All right, I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But you don't think EA ever does anything in their games that doesn't work as they intended it to...? I'm tapping out of this discussion for the day, guys. It's fairly apparent that many of us just have different views of this game. Thank God it's just a video game and not something more important.

Seriously...the debate is entertaining, but it's not important enough to keep arguing about. If anyone thinks trade evaluations are unfair, I'll just remind everyone that it's a 5 person committee voting on these things. It's not just the thoughts of one person. Soooo...go yell at somebody else in the committee, lol ;)

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 02:41 AM

All right, I suppose that's one way of looking at it. But you don't think EA ever does anything in their games that doesn't work as they intended it to...? I'm tapping out of this discussion for the day, guys. It's fairly apparent that many of us just have different views of this game. Thank God it's just a video game and not something more important.

Seriously...the debate is entertaining, but it's not important enough to keep arguing about. If anyone thinks trade evaluations are unfair, I'll just remind everyone that it's a 5 person committee voting on these things. It's not just the thoughts of one person. Soooo...go yell at somebody else in the committee, lol ;)


I don't believe EA has ever come out and truly put an end to discussions like this. They only come out with vague explanations as to what attributes actually mean and the last time they did that was a few years ago. I'm not arguing that things work as intended, but I know there are people on Madden related forums who just sit in practice mode, tweak players attributes, and test out their theories on what they mean. I would think that what they have to say is more relevant than what I would come up with out of thin air.

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

My $.02 on all this is really quite simple, although I'm sure it will ruffle a few feathers anyway:

Both leagues were created by the commissioners as a fun place to play Madden with CAG friends. If the commissioners (this goes for Nate, BV, and Fero) feel that you do not enjoy playing with certain league members (which has become clear from my time in both this league and my short time in the other one that there are several in both who the commissioners wish were not in the league), then simply dont welcome them back for Madden 25. Everybody wins. The league members not deemed welcome can find other leagues where the SPD, MCV, and CIT exploits are more widely accepted, the commissioners can enjoy playing with friends who better match their playstyles and realistic football elements and free themselves of the headaches induced by those ex-members, and other general members in the thread will get a break from all the complaining on both sides.

It certainly seems like Nate, BV, and Fero are tired of the track meet games and cheese that so many play (heck Uber left the official league in large part because of that) so why not rid the problem for next year? These are CAG leagues, not iron-clad contracts afterall lol. We can bellyache about EA all we want, but we can also take steps to create a better environment for next year assuming EA wont deliver a realistic football game. Just my thoughts anyway.

And as far as CIT, I agree that its an important attribute, but its absolutely ridiculous that is means more than CTH. If I dont think a guy can catch the open pass, why should I expect him to catch it better when defenders are all over him? That doesnt make sense in the NFL or in Madden.

EDIT: I should make this clear, I dont personally have an issue with anybody in this league. Everyone I've played has been respectful and the few minor issues that I experienced were handled in-game and are no issue now, something I cant say is the case with my experience in the official league. I dont want anybody thinking I have some sort of vendetta against them.


I don't have a issue with anyone in this league but I left the official league after Fero rushed for almost 300 yards with a QB when running a formation with 4 or 5 eligible receivers. I read the rules closely and they clearly state, play like a real NFL team, don't run 4 wide and rush with the QB, so I figured when I went to the board to air my grievances that it would be heard. BV sided with Fero saying that it was a fair play and they threatened me with a strike for hitting pause three times near the end of the game so I could post my complains on CAG. I chose to leave the league because it seemed that there was a double standard for commissioners following their own rules. It was upsetting that I had to leave because I loved the idea of being in a competitive league. My point is that we need to find a balance where the commissioners are shown respect for the work they do, but it is also not a oppressive oligarchy where the committee members make all the decisions and blindly back each other. I am not a communist, but I feel that is the best way to run a league where everyone has a different opinion about what is "fair".

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:01 AM

I don't have a issue with anyone in this league but I left the official league after Fero rushed for almost 300 yards with a QB when running a formation with 4 or 5 eligible receivers. I read the rules closely and they clearly state, play like a real NFL team, don't run 4 wide and rush with the QB, so I figured when I went to the board to air my grievances that it would be heard. BV sided with Fero saying that it was a fair play and they threatened me with a strike for hitting pause three times near the end of the game so I could post my complains on CAG. I chose to leave the league because it seemed that there was a double standard for commissioners following their own rules. It was upsetting that I had to leave because I loved the idea of being in a competitive league. My point is that we need to find a balance where the commissioners are shown respect for the work they do, but it is also not a oppressive oligarchy where the committee members make all the decisions and blindly back each other. I am not a communist, but I feel that is the best way to run a league where everyone has a different opinion about what is "fair".


The thing that has to be acknowledged is the reason these "honor system" policies are put into place to begin with is because EA struggles to make a competent game. If you think about it, it shouldn't be "illegal" to run a 5 wide receiver set and run with the QB...but it shouldn't be as effective as it is either.

As commissioners, we're basically being forced to create tension among league members by dictating to them what they can and cannot do because of the game engine allowing itself to be exploited. I can promise you, we would all much rather just say "Anything is allowed. Play however you want." because that would mean that EA made a game that played like a real simulation football game. I don't think any of us are holding our breath on that happening any time soon though, haha.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

U cant expect a game to be that perfect IMHO... any game can be miss used in ways of getting an advantage. Its just the way it is in the gaming world at this point.

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#11500 n8rockerasu

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:07 AM

U cant expect a game to be that perfect IMHO... any game can be miss used in ways of getting an advantage. Its just the way it is in the gaming world at this point.


Then we'll have to continue to nitpick rules to prevent people from doing stupid shit, lol. I was giving a hypothetical situation.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

Ya nitpicking is the only way... plus with everyone having different opinions what one person.considers perfect other may not. Madden will never be perfect and no league ever will be either but for the most part the league rules are as good as u will find any where else sim league wise of course. Everyone just needs to just keep a open mind. Plus coding games cant be an easy task. Im just glad that now.days after the game is released they can go back and patch some of the mistakes back in the older games before internet updates u were just screwed

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#11502 slofton

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:02 PM

Man. I just lost a game due to two huge mental errors. Ugghh!

Saints 38 Sleepy Falcons 28

Falcons
M. Ryan 12/18 292 3tds 3ints (1 int for T&D, other for looooong return)
T. Jones 9att 63 yards 1td
J. Jones 5 rec 174 yards 2 TDs

Falcons D FINALLY had some QB pressure, but had easy picks just fall out of their stone hands. Special teams had 30 yard avg return.


Saints
D. Brees 12/18 203 3tds 0int
D. Wilson 18attb100 1 td
M. Coltson 5 rec 96 yards 1 td


Good game man!!

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:22 PM

Off-topic, but I gotta post about this somewhere. So, I pre-ordered the new Dead Island game on Amazon back in March. A couple weeks ago, I notice that there's a promo to get a $10 Amazon Instant Video credit for pre-ordering the game (in addition to the steelbook and the other goodies). I didn't remember seeing that when I placed my order, but I'm like "Oh, cool. I guess I'll get that too."

I got the game on Tuesday and haven't gotten the $10 credit yet. I chatted with an Amazon rep about it, who told me he'd need to forward it on to a "Promotions and Marketing Specialist", and I'd hear something back in a day or two. Well, they got back to me today...to let me know that since I placed my pre-order before that promo started, I don't get it.

Apparently, what I should have done was cancel my original order and then re-place it (pointless). The beauty of it is, the promo is actually still live until tomorrow. Sooo...yeah, I just placed the order again, and I'll return the new game they send me under the old order number. Get ready to feel the long, hard cock of common sense, Amazon. I don't know what's happened to their customer service the past year or two. But it's definitely on a downward trend.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:53 PM

Off-topic, but I gotta post about this somewhere. So, I pre-ordered the new Dead Island game on Amazon back in March. A couple weeks ago, I notice that there's a promo to get a $10 Amazon Instant Video credit for pre-ordering the game (in addition to the steelbook and the other goodies). I didn't remember seeing that when I placed my order, but I'm like "Oh, cool. I guess I'll get that too."

I got the game on Tuesday and haven't gotten the $10 credit yet. I chatted with an Amazon rep about it, who told me he'd need to forward it on to a "Promotions and Marketing Specialist", and I'd hear something back in a day or two. Well, they got back to me today...to let me know that since I placed my pre-order before that promo started, I don't get it.

Apparently, what I should have done was cancel my original order and then re-place it (pointless). The beauty of it is, the promo is actually still live until tomorrow. Sooo...yeah, I just placed the order again, and I'll return
the new game they send me under the old order number. Get ready to feel the long,
hard cock of common sense, Amazon. I don't know what's happened to their customer service the past year or two. But it's definitely on a downward trend.


Why wouldn't you have done that anyway? Usually if I see a preorder promo on Amazon and I'm not sure I have it I just check my active orders and see if the promo is mentioned in my order.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

Why wouldn't you have done that anyway? Usually if I see a preorder promo on Amazon and I'm not sure I have it I just check my active orders and see if the promo is mentioned in my order.


Also I loved the first Dead island but every single review I have read said that this one is horrible an very very very repetitive.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:15 PM

Man. I just lost a game due to two huge mental errors. Ugghh!

Saints 38 Sleepy Falcons 28

Falcons
M. Ryan 12/18 292 3tds 3ints (1 int for T&D, other for looooong return)
T. Jones 9att 63 yards 1td
J. Jones 5 rec 174 yards 2 TDs

Falcons D FINALLY had some QB pressure, but had easy picks just fall out of their stone hands. Special teams had 30 yard avg return.


Saints
D. Brees 12/18 203 3tds 0int
D. Wilson 18attb100 1 td
M. Coltson 5 rec 96 yards 1 td


Good game man!!


Great game man! It was a lot of fun. The first pick gave me a lot of momentum. It seemed like after the first pick my run game finally started working. I am looking forward to the second game!

#11507 n8rockerasu

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 05:41 PM

Why wouldn't you have done that anyway? Usually if I see a preorder promo on Amazon and I'm not sure I have it I just check my active orders and see if the promo is mentioned in my order.


I didn't do it because usually Amazon adjusts older pre-orders to reflect any changes that may have happened (price match or otherwise). And really, what sense does it make to deny a promotion to customers who were willing to commit to you upfront...ESPECIALLY when you factor in that the promo is still live. Now, they're going to give me the promotion anyway and pay to have a game returned to them (not to mention the extra work for their warehouse workers). It's just piss poor business sense.

Also I loved the first Dead island but every single review I have read said that this one is horrible an very very very repetitive.


Yeah, but if you look, a lot of people said the same thing about the first game. I don't expect a masterpiece. As long as it's on par with the first game, I'll be happy.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:51 PM

Anybody heard from the Panthers? Sent a Pm yesterday haven't heard back, tonight's the last night I can play

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:20 PM

Just messaged the Cowboys about playing. It's going to be difficult those as I'm going to be running around tomorrow, but I think I can play early. Later tonight is a possibility too.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

Anybody heard from the Panthers? Sent a Pm yesterday haven't heard back, tonight's the last night I can play


I'm pretty sure he was on auto last week (and probably still is). If you don't hear from him, just go ahead and play it.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 12:06 AM

I'm pretty sure he was on auto last week (and probably still is). If you don't hear from him, just go ahead and play it.


Alright, sounds good.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:35 AM

Dear Seattle,
You say you have the best secondary? We'll see.

Love,
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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:55 AM

Dear Seattle,
You say you have the best secondary? We'll see.

Love,
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I assume you're talking real-life. TB is actually my 2nd favorite team, but their secondary ain't got nothing on our's. :P

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 04:02 AM

Sidebar: anyone have MLB2k13?
How is it?

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 04:59 AM

I assume you're talking real-life. TB is actually my 2nd favorite team, but their secondary ain't got nothing on our's. :P


I dunno. I'm liking how things are turning out. Goldson/Barron at S. banks/Revis at CB make me hopeful.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 05:00 AM

Sidebar: anyone have MLB2k13?
How is it?

I play 2K12. From what I've read 13 is just a roster update. Nothing changed. 12 is an AMAZING game.

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 06:01 AM

Ahh ok thanks man. I may end up getting 13 living in Houston as that is probably a big transition with the uniforms and the AL switch in th newer one. I grew up playing all the Triple Play games from EA (ironically the best baseball games ever made in my opinion, anyone remember MVP baseball?) and I've literally bought and sold a play station 3 just for MLB the show. I don't want to go that route so having said that is 2k series worth it?

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 01:18 PM

MVP 05 is my favorite game of all time. Probably put more time into that than most of my 360 library combined. Havent played 2k13.


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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:08 PM

I LOVED Triple Play/MVP. I have MVP 04 for my 360 and toss it in every now and then to play through a dynasty. Anybody remember the old Triple Play home run derbys where you played on the moon or in a living room? those were the best!

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Posted 27 April 2013 - 02:42 PM

I personally hate The Show. I play games to relax. Not get stressed because I have to do 30 motions to throw to first base.

2K series is a lot of fun. Nice simple baseball game. When the price drops to around 20, ill be picking it up.