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#4591 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:40 AM

To be honest, I don't think it's a completely indefensible 4th down call. He's down big and he took a gamble (especially after being stuffed on 3rd and inches). I might have gone for it there as well, or tried a fake punt like Doom suggested. The idea is to arrest some of the momentum, and considering DVO acknowledged that's exactly what it accomplished, it seems like it was a smart tactical move.

The standard for going for it on 4th has always been that you should be able to defend the decision in the thread. I really don't think this one was that terrible, though I'd like to hear what fero and uber think about it as well.


I suppose I could be persuaded to agree with that. I take more of the same stance WV does - I don't want to deal with this kind of thing so I don't do it.

The other side of that is would a NFL coach do it? To that I'm going to say probably not. Not that Romeo Crennel is a top coach but last week with 6 seconds left before half they had a chance at a 55 yard FG and punted it. To me that is a bit over-conservative but the point is the same, real coaches are conservative. If the Saints don't make that 4th down then they go down by 28 and the game is most certainly over. If he is so skilled his defense would have stopped the Falcons and he would've gotten the ball back.
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#4592 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:40 AM

Why did it quote me in bvs post? lol


No idea, that's weird.

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#4593 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:41 AM

The other side of that is would a NFL coach do it? To that I'm going to say probably not. Not that Romeo Crennel is a top coach but last week with 6 seconds left before half they had a chance at a 55 yard FG and punted it. To me that is a bit over-conservative but the point is the same, real coaches are conservative.


Some would. Bill Belichick would. Sean Payton would.

Romeo Crennel is pretty damned conservative, always has been.

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#4594 DVO21

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:42 AM

i just dont see how u can say its fair to go for it on 4th and 1 when ur down 21 to change momentum if say that then anyone can use it at any point on 4th and 1. down by 10+ im trying to change momentum, 9 or less im trying to stay in the game. it just sounds like an excuse to me to go for it after getting stuffed on 3rd and inches. now past the 50 yard line i prolly wouldnt be as mad maybe not mad at all but ur not even pasted ur own 50 yet. it just sounds like ur making excuses for people to go for it when they want

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#4595 DVO21

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:44 AM

well its 2013 and payton's not allowed in the nfl plus he runs illegal stuff in the nfl shouldnt use payton as an example

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#4596 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:44 AM

Some would. Bill Belichick would. Sean Payton would.

Romeo Crennel is pretty damned conservative, always has been.


True, it can definitely be argued that way. Take a look at my edited version, either way opinions will differ. I'm not saying it was wrong but we've spent a lot of time discussing whether or not it is OK to go for it in your opponents 40-49 yard range, so I would assume being in your own territory would be frowned upon more. Like I said, I don't think it this the worst thing I've heard of, but I'm not sure that makes it is right either.
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#4597 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

it just sounds like ur making excuses for people to go for it when they want


Seriously? How long have you been in this league now? Does that remotely sound like something I would advocate? Give me a break. :roll:

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#4598 neworlbush25

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

To be honest, I don't think it's a completely indefensible 4th down call. He's down big and he took a gamble (especially after being stuffed on 3rd and inches). I might have gone for it there as well, or tried a fake punt like Doom suggested. The idea is to arrest some of the momentum, and considering DVO acknowledged that's exactly what it accomplished, it seems like it was a smart tactical move.

The standard for going for it on 4th has always been that you should be able to defend the decision in the thread. I really don't think this one was that terrible, though I'd like to hear what fero and uber think about it as well.



neworlbush, do you acknowledge doing this?



Yes, I do acknowledge doing this... I shouldnt have.

If DVO won the game he would not be on here calling me a douche for that 4th down play. And I would not be calling him a douche for running the ball instead of kneeing it. In my defense, I play madden mostly with my roomates and friends and kneeing the ball with 1:43 left in the game would like being the biggest pussy in the world.

That doesnt mean that I shouldnt have kneed, which I will do from now on.

#4599 neworlbush25

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:47 AM

well its 2013 and payton's not allowed in the nfl plus he runs illegal stuff in the nfl shouldnt use payton as an example




lol... Show me the proof!!

#4600 MasterAwesome

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:50 AM

Panthers 21 - Broncos 17

Pretty evenly matched game, lots defense played by both sides. MA just made a few more plays when he had to.

Did I miss anything? ;)


That pretty much covers it lol. I felt really good about my D, the 2 TDs I gave up were on 2 huge blown plays. One being a boneheaded zone call leaving Thomas wide open down the left side....zone NEVER seems to work for me... :(

#4601 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:51 AM

In my defense, I play madden mostly with my roomates and friends and kneeing the ball with 1:43 left in the game would like being the biggest pussy in the world.


That's not really a defense, you've been in this league long enough to know better.

That doesnt mean that I shouldnt have kneed, which I will do from now on.


See that you do. I'm going to let you off with a warning instead of a strike since it's the first complaint we've had about this, but don't let it happen again.

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#4602 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:52 AM

That pretty much covers it lol. I felt really good about my D, the 2 TDs I gave up were on 2 huge blown plays. One being a boneheaded zone call leaving Thomas wide open down the left side....zone NEVER seems to work for me... :(


cover 2 or 3? Cover 2 seems to be soooo useless this year. The safeties don't sit deep enough and get burnt, at least in my experience.
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#4603 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:53 AM

That pretty much covers it lol.


The "did I miss anything" was actually in reference to the thread drama.

It was a fun game despite the outcome, you're always one of my favorite opponents to play, our games are always competitive and enjoyable.

Thomas is usually going to get his, you did a great job in coverage otherwise.

Normally I would say this is another game I may well have won if I still had Manning, although Haden's ridiculous diving goal line INT (probably one of the best I've ever seen in Madden) was a plenty big play in the game.

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#4604 Doomtime

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:56 AM

cover 2 or 3? Cover 2 seems to be soooo useless this year. The safeties don't sit deep enough and get burnt, at least in my experience.


Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.

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#4605 MasterAwesome

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:00 AM

And I only ran 4 designed QB runs which seems pretty darn tame for the Panthers (compared to 12 from Tebow...that sounds to me a little excessive). If you watch the Panthers play, they run at least 20 Read-option plays a game which I can't stand. I think my success with it came from the fact that you didn't blitz much at all that game IIRC. I think you can counter it pretty easily, I just played against the Redskins last week where RG3 ran some read-option QB runs and I shut him down pretty easily (4 carries for 0 yards).

#4606 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:02 AM

I think my success with it came from the fact that you didn't blitz much at all that game IIRC.


Interesting, I'll keep that in mind. I rarely if ever big blitz. You can usually get away with rushing 4 when 2 of the 4 are Dumervil and Miller. :D

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#4607 neworlbush25

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

That's not really a defense, you've been in this league long enough to know better.



See that you do. I'm going to let you off with a warning instead of a strike since it's the first complaint we've had about this, but don't let it happen again.



Will do.

#4608 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.


Nickel 2-4-5? Cover 2 has sucked in everything other than 2-3-6 (at least for me).

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#4609 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:05 AM

Spoiler Alert: The Chiefs only play man to man!


Thanks for the heads up. :D

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#4610 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:13 AM

Thanks for the heads up. :D


Anytime! At this point I'm just going to help foster the inconsistent play.
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#4611 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:15 AM

Anytime! At this point I'm just going to help foster the inconsistent play.


Yours or mine? ;)

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#4612 staticz

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:20 AM

Yours or mine? ;)


I think our division may be the most accurate portrayal of a real NFL division ever.
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#4613 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:23 AM

I think our division may be the most accurate portrayal of a real NFL division ever.


Mediocre?

I'm definitely not playing especially well at the moment, which is ill-timed considering I've got you and the Chargers coming up the next two weeks.

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#4614 DVO21

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:41 AM

If you're on your half of the field, you should not going for it on 4th unless you're at the point of the game where you have no other choice, even if its short yardage. this doesn't mean you can't be aggressive in situations where real nfl coachs mgiht (4th and 1 from your opponents 40, or something like that)

so im guessing ur rules are flawed because he wasnt at the point in the game where he had to go for it at all. in the 1st quarter. since he was on his own 43. which is pretty far from my 40 yard line. might need the rule list to be more broad there.

ya i know im still on this but sorry once im angry it takes a while i have ptsd and taking anger classes that arent working becuz rubbing a rock to calm down just doesnt work when u have uncontrolable anger and black out

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:43 AM

21-0 seems like nothings working 4 and 1 id go for it..... i hate kneeling to i prefer to drive as far as possible avoiding the end zone... i dont feel as its disrespectful as long as u dont score and never heard any complaints about it so far

#4616 bvharris

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

What's your desired outcome here, dvo? You can't get the game back, and that one play certainly wasn't the whole reason why you lost. If you just want to blow off steam, that's fine, but it feels like you've done that at this point.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:51 AM

If you're on your half of the field, you should not going for it on 4th unless you're at the point of the game where you have no other choice, even if its short yardage. this doesn't mean you can't be aggressive in situations where real nfl coachs mgiht (4th and 1 from your opponents 40, or something like that)

so im guessing ur rules are flawed because he wasnt at the point in the game where he had to go for it at all. in the 1st quarter. since he was on his own 43. which is pretty far from my 40 yard line. might need the rule list to be more broad there.

ya i know im still on this but sorry once im angry it takes a while i have ptsd and taking anger classes that arent working becuz rubbing a rock to calm down just doesnt work when u have uncontrolable anger and black out



I don't see anything wrong because he was down even if he scored on that drive ur still up by 14 stop crying and play football... I've seen real NFL teams go for it
n this situation so get over it!!!

But I must say u gotta kneel but BV has been on it ;)

#4618 DVO21

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:53 AM

i cant change the outcome ur right. but the point is the rules are right there for people to read plain and simple. he should have read them and played by them. whats the point of having the rules if people can break them and nothing happens. he broke 2 of ur rules and u gave him a warning. sorry im in the military been in for a while u dont follow the rules u ge the hammer plain and simple. im sure if i would have quit with 1 second left i would be in trouble and he would get to play the computer. so just becuz hes never been in trouble before nothing should happen. now people should feel like if there down by alot on 4th and 1 they can just go for it as a plan to change the game and its ok to do it becuz if u allow him to do then why wouldnt u allow others. which now means the rules u wrote are now flawed. with rules being flawed it slowly becomes regular online play. becuz an excuse can be made for any situation and u can use the nfl coach did it once so i thought i could

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#4619 Mog3526

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:59 AM

i cant change the outcome ur right. but the point is the rules are right there for people to read plain and simple. he should have read them and played by them. whats the point of having the rules if people can break them and nothing happens. he broke 2 of ur rules and u gave him a warning. sorry im in the military been in for a while u dont follow the rules u ge the hammer plain and simple. im sure if i would have quit with 1 second left i would be in trouble and he would get to play the computer. so just becuz hes never been in trouble before nothing should happen. now people should feel like if there down by alot on 4th and 1 they can just go for it as a plan to change the game and its ok to do it becuz if u allow him to do then why wouldnt u allow others. which now means the rules u wrote are now flawed. with rules being flawed it slowly becomes regular online play. becuz an excuse can be made for any situation and u can use the nfl coach did it once so i thought i could


If u would of stopped him u would of had prime field postion to go up 28 with momentum....but u didn't so ur mad lol

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:59 AM

Depends on the package. 3-4 cover 2 is terrible this year. Nickel is excellent.


Nickel is 80% of my defense this year