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#11881 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:22 AM

More strict punishments imo, but that's easy to say considering I am not a commissioner and I wouldn't have to take crap for it, lol.

The rules are perfectly clear.


The problem is that the blatant and obvious violations of the rules are few and far between. When those happen, we deal with them, no problem. What's far more common, and I think what uber is concerned about (and I share his concern) is people just generally not playing within the spirit of what is supposed to be a sim league. That's a much harder problem to tackle than someone running up the score.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:27 AM

The problem is that the blatant and obvious violations of the rules are few and far between. When those happen, we deal with them, no problem. What's far more common, and I think what uber is concerned about (and I share his concern) is people just generally not playing within the spirit of what is supposed to be a sim league. That's a much harder problem to tackle than someone running up the score.


True. I am not sure how to put it into words, but this game gets harder and harder to play as if it's a real game and stay competitive. When people are passing\rushing for 600 yards a game, it's hard to think about it being close to a football game in real life, haha.

I don't know - as it was stated this probably shouldn't be discussed here. It's just an interesting topic to me, and made me think about it. This league sure does feel different to me from when I first started though.

#11883 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:29 AM

True. I am not sure how to put it into words, but this game gets harder and harder to play as if it's a real game and stay competitive. When people are passing\rushing for 600 yards a game, it's hard to think about it being close to a football game in real life, haha.

I don't know - as it was stated this probably shouldn't be discussed here. It's just an interesting topic to me, and made me think about it. This league sure does feel different to me from when I first started though.


I couldn't agree more, and I've been pretty adamant in my dislike of the track meet style of games which seem to have become the norm. That's another problem that I'm not sure how we can deal with though.

It doesn't feel the same to me either, so I'm all for a discussion on it and suggestions, no matter how silly.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:15 AM

I couldn't agree more, and I've been pretty adamant in my dislike of the track meet style of games which seem to have become the norm. That's another problem that I'm not sure how we can deal with though.

It doesn't feel the same to me either, so I'm all for a discussion on it and suggestions, no matter how silly.



Honestly I think it's just the people who have been brought in. Nothing against anyone here but a lot of people have a different mentality\play style. I think that's why it's different. People changed, and so did the mood of the league.

#11885 staticz

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:17 AM

Get one. I need someone to buy all this coal. :D


Yeah I know. I couldn't even get on the servers, then I got on and had to tweak everything down...disappointing but I kind of expected it. It'll be a tough sell but I think I'm going to have to do something.
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#11886 staticz

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:22 AM

On the rules/style of play. I've been concerned about this for quite awhile. There is a group that will do absolutely anything to win, and I mean anything. I don't know how you police it effectively. On one hand I feel like there is enough interest between the two leagues that it should be if you break rule #1 you're out, no questions asked.

The other side of that is there is a significant skill difference between the 60ish people that play in our CAG leagues. We could try placing people in certain divisions to keep the playing field fair but it won't matter come playoff time.

I'd like to hear what others think. There is a solution in here somewhere.

Edit: back in the day the rule was 'down by 21, grant mercy' though I don't think that is an option in league play. It would curb all of this stat bullshit that goes on though.
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#11887 Superstar

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:29 AM

It's hard to place people in different skill categories. What if someone in division A practices and starts playing really well, do you make him switch teams to go to Division B, even though he has built his team up, making trades and salary cap decisions? Then that's not only switching 1 person, 2 people, depending on if it's a full league or not.

It's stuff like that, that really make it tough. Also just putting people into "catagories" is hard in itself. IF you go by wins\losses alone it could go into a grey area.

#11888 Deuce20602

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:34 AM

my first game back in forever and I'm already fed up... is it now acceptable to blitz 7-8 every snap?

#11889 Doomtime

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:36 AM

Who dem cheesers be?

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#11890 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:38 AM

If there were enough people who played Madden like a true sim game to make up an entire league, I'd make that league in a heartbeat.

It's not just about the divide between good and bad players, it's just a general philosophy about how the game is played. There are many very good players who play what I'd consider to be a very pure and sim-like form of Madden - bseti and Ramesu are two good examples. There are definitely other people, and I'm not going to call anyone out obviously, who play much more "Madden" than football.

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#11891 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:44 AM

That's not to say that everyone who puts up insane statistics plays the game "wrong" or anything. I just like to look at the stat sheet at the end of the game and have the box score look like a football game instead of a basketball one.

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#11892 Doomtime

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:52 AM

There are quite a few that don't put in the time on defense despite having been in the league so long.

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#11893 njrockpd

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:55 AM

If there were enough people who played Madden like a true sim game to make up an entire league, I'd make that league in a heartbeat.

It's not just about the divide between good and bad players, it's just a general philosophy about how the game is played. There are many very good players who play what I'd consider to be a very pure and sim-like form of Madden - bseti and Ramesu are two good examples. There are definitely other people, and I'm not going to call anyone out obviously, who play much more "Madden" than football.


Interesting how you can respond calmly and respectfully to some people and I complain about the same thing 2 days ago and I get this response.

Sounds absolutely fantastic to me. Especially after I heard about your little bitch move to end the game. Sore loser and a half right here.

Seems like all you've done since you joined this league is bitch and complain and act butthurt because you weren't dominating right away. Sorry you weren't immediately winning every Super Bowl, dude. Some of us took years to even get to the point where we could win consistently.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Chargers are open.


I played and lost to you (twice), Staticz (twice), Bseti, and others and never complained. When Fero runs for 200+ yards with a QB that was crossing the line. Uber complains about Mog and that's ok but I did it a week ago and I "act butthurt". Grow a set you pussy. Don't act like a prick to the new guy and suck up to everyone else I don't think you are in high school anymore, you aren't impressing anyone. If you are a prick at least be a prick to everyone. Don't be a two faced pussy.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:56 AM

hm........

Someone needs to calm down, lol.

#11895 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:14 AM

Complain about being called out for being a little bitch and then proceed to act like a littler bitch than ever before. You are not a very intelligent man, are you?

You lost any chance of me ever remotely respecting a thing you had to say when you ended your game with fero by petulantly pausing the game repeatedly.

You're the one who quit the league, nobody forced you. I'm sorry that I wasn't the least bit sorry to see you go based on your brief time here. Your acerbic and immature little rant now only serves to confirm the opinion I'd already formed about you. Go away, you sad little troll.

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#11896 n8rockerasu

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:14 AM

Ooh...some tasty discussion going on in here. I know exactly what staticz is talking about with the people who will do ANYTHING to win. On top of that, I feel like you get people who don't seem to think about the message they're sending when they run a particular play in a given situation. As BV said though, it's hard to police.

This is why I've tried to make painstaking efforts this year to come up with as many black and white situations as possible. Some of it goes overboard and probably appears too specific...but when you consider the alternative...which is a giant gray area, I feel like it helps. One example is "If you have a 3 score lead in the 4th quarter, you don't pass the ball." Period. Yes, your opponent will know the run is coming. Big deal. Chew clock, punt the ball away if he stops you, and play defense. And if your opponent cuts into your lead, then start running your offense again. There were way too many instances of "I just wanted the 1st down" that got out of hand when the defense figured his opponent would just be trying to chew the clock...and then "oops" 20 yard gain. I'm not trying to say that my specific rules are the best way to play Madden...but I feel like people need something black and white to follow. Otherwise, you get chaos and inconsistency. And I know you guys have very well-written rules. But if you can't say there are "blatant and obvious" violations...then maybe they need to be even more specific.

Also, I wanted a strike system that was permanent, and didn't allow for "oopsies" once or twice a season, before getting reset. And I wanted to make sure the strikes had clear and apparent consequences. Once you establish that...if somebody does something that the "authorities" thing is out of line...just give the strike and be done with it. Punishment isn't supposed to be something personal. Once it's handed out, accept it and move on. Ultimately, it's just about showing that questionable play won't be tolerated. But when you're just giving out warnings and scoldings about "don't let it happen again", people aren't going to take your seriously. People may not always agree with it...but people don't agree with a lot of society's laws either. But not having any would be far worse.

#11897 MasterAwesome

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:19 AM

I think you need a very open mind to play in this league, or just Madden online in general. No matter how "sim" you try and play, SOMEONE is going to have a problem with something you do. I used to pride myself on having a very sim, clean game style...but then BV pointed out that I drop back too far in the pocket on throws. Don't take this a passive-aggressive attack on BV, it's very far from it...I'm just using this as an example of how there is going to be SOMETHING in everyone's game that can legitimately be deemed "cheesy" or "exploitative". I would never in a million years think about the ramifications of something like dropping back too far in the pocket. I've heard people complain about too much man-press, too much zone, too much passing, too much running, too much blitzing, too many players in coverage...there is literally a complaint on everything. You have to have thick skin to play in this league, and just take the good with the bad. This game can never truly be "sim" IMO unless EA perfects the AI, which is probably impossible.

#11898 Mog3526

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:22 AM

More games played and more cryin smh

#11899 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:23 AM

You have to have thick skin to play in this league, and just take the good with the bad. This game can never truly be "sim" IMO unless EA perfects the AI, which is probably impossible.


Probably 100% true.

My biggest problem (other than obvious stuff like running up the score) has always been the insane offensive stats. But unfortunately there's really no way of curbing that short of adjusting sliders, which would impact the lesser players just as significantly (if not moreso), which basically makes it not worth doing.

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#11900 Superstar

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:24 AM

More games played and more cryin smh


We are playing sir! ;)

#11901 Tanabeo

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:24 AM

my first game back in forever and I'm already fed up... is it now acceptable to blitz 7-8 every snap?


Not going to lie I was trying to throw the game and was hoping you would throw over the top.

#11902 Doomtime

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:25 AM

Wheels are falling off the wagon in Houston.

Bengals Crush Texans 31-14. GG Bseti. Killer playaction.

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#11903 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:25 AM

Not going to lie I was trying to throw the game and was hoping you would throw over the top.


Is that not your strategy every game? ;)

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#11904 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:26 AM

Wheels are falling off the wagon in Houston.

Bengals Crush Texans 31-14. GG Bseti. Killer playaction.


Damn. Was hoping you could pull that one out since I have the head-to-head over the Bengals. Oh well, still probably going to need some help to grab a bye.

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#11905 Doomtime

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:30 AM

Damn. Was hoping you could pull that one out since I have the head-to-head over the Bengals. Oh well, still probably going to need some help to grab a bye.


I thought it was a cardinal sin to root for me? :lol:

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#11906 njrockpd

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:30 AM

Complain about being called out for being a little bitch and then proceed to act like a littler bitch than ever before. You are not a very intelligent man, are you?

You lost any chance of me ever remotely respecting a thing you had to say when you ended your game with fero by petulantly pausing the game repeatedly.

You're the one who quit the league, nobody forced you. I'm sorry that I wasn't the least bit sorry to see you go based on your brief time here. Your acerbic and immature little rant now only serves to confirm the opinion I'd already formed about you. Go away, you sad little troll.


What about my statement identifies a lack of intelligence? Why would I ask for the respect of someone I have no respect for? I was respectful toward you upon leaving the league and you took underhanded shots at me and I am supposed to show you respect? The point of me responding at all was to make the point that you should listen to members of the league a little better if you want to solve your issues instead of siding solely with the people who run the league. I'm not here to offend anyone else by naming names, but maybe if you listen to the discontent of some of the users it wouldn't escalate to the point where uber feels he needs to quit. Maybe some of the higher ups in this league (yourself included) need to look at their own manipulation of the rules before they can fix any of the problems.

#11907 bvharris

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:30 AM

I thought it was a cardinal sin to root for me? :lol:


I can summon the will to do so when it suits my own interests.

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#11908 Mog3526

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:31 AM

We are playing sir! ;)


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And uber must have lost again smh

#11909 Tanabeo

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:32 AM

More games played and more cryin smh


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And uber must have lost again smh


Why do you shake your head so much?

#11910 njrockpd

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:33 AM

I think you need a very open mind to play in this league, or just Madden online in general. No matter how "sim" you try and play, SOMEONE is going to have a problem with something you do. I used to pride myself on having a very sim, clean game style...but then BV pointed out that I drop back too far in the pocket on throws. Don't take this a passive-aggressive attack on BV, it's very far from it...I'm just using this as an example of how there is going to be SOMETHING in everyone's game that can legitimately be deemed "cheesy" or "exploitative". I would never in a million years think about the ramifications of something like dropping back too far in the pocket. I've heard people complain about too much man-press, too much zone, too much passing, too much running, too much blitzing, too many players in coverage...there is literally a complaint on everything. You have to have thick skin to play in this league, and just take the good with the bad. This game can never truly be "sim" IMO unless EA perfects the AI, which is probably impossible.


Great post. Very true.

EDIT: I think my downfall was trying to play exactly by the rules and then losing to people who did not follow them as I felt I did. As you say though it's opened to interpritation. IE. Fero ran 4 receivers tight and then ran with the QB, I considered that cheap because we weren't supposed to send a bunch of RECEIVERS wide and then run with the QB. Fero obviously felt it was fair because he had Tight Ends lined up instead of WRs and they were not wide. I am not typing this to take a shot at Fero. I though this was actually a good example of how one play could be seen differently by two players. It's a slippery slope.

Edited by njrockpd, 06 March 2013 - 03:40 AM.
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