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CAGcast #292: An Incredible, Exceptional Podcast


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#61 jer7583

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 09:47 AM

The iphone is an exceptional device to be sure.

But your outright dismissal of wombat's point that the 3DS and the IPhone can't be directly compared because the 3DS does not set out to match what the IPhone does came off as very arrogant to me. I don't think there's anyone who is considering a 3DS/Vita purchase that buys an Iphone instead. Just like there is no one who is considering an Iphone purchase and buys a 3DS/Vita instead. They're just not in direct competition like that.

Wombat was essentially saying the same thing you were, that the 3DS is exceptional in one area vs the Iphone being exceptional in many areas.

For some reason you seemed to have a problem with a Nintendo device being called exceptional, and provided no real reason other than comparing it to a device that costs at least double what a 3DS does (factoring in contracts or off contract cost) and isn't even its direct competition.

Anyway, good show. That section just kind of irked me - I know you don't like being called a fanboy, but it got a little apple fanboyish for those few moments.

I'm pretty surprised at Gabe Newell's Windows 8 comments as well. He was only partially right when bashing the PS3 years ago, and while the guy is an exceptional genius, he seems to put a little too much of his personal opinion into comments like these. People who don't want Windows 8 will probably just stay on Windows 7 or OSX for the time being. I don't see why Windows 7 can't work for another 7 to 10 years.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:08 AM

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#63 banodyne

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:03 PM

Everytime Wombat cuts off another Cheapy Apple sermon I say an out loud, "Yeah!"

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

I didn't say an iPhone is a exceptional game machine, I said it was an exceptional device, and I feel similarly about any modern smartphone. It's amazing that we can carry a portable computer in our pockets. Those of you who thought I was comparing an iPhone (or any smartphone's) game playing ability to a dedicated gaming machine missed the point completely. There is continued discussion on my guest appearance on this week's 8-4 Play.


It's amazing in one sense, but an unlocked iPhone 4S costs between $649 and $849. Of course the tech is going to better than a $200 3DS XL. But the games still aren't anywhere near as good, and that's coming from someone who has no interest in Mario or Zelda.

I'm pretty surprised at Gabe Newell's Windows 8 comments as well. He was only partially right when bashing the PS3 years ago, and while the guy is an exceptional genius, he seems to put a little too much of his personal opinion into comments like these. People who don't want Windows 8 will probably just stay on Windows 7 or OSX for the time being. I don't see why Windows 7 can't work for another 7 to 10 years.


I agree. I'm still using XP on my desktop PC without any problems, although my laptop, netbook and work PC are all Windows 7 machines. And I had to hack all of them to get an XP-style Show Desktop button on the taskbar.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:05 PM

Cheapy is right, the 3DS is not exceptional. Why?

1. Hardware. It's not a particularily powerful device compared to this generation of smartphones, pads and the Vita. It's "good enough" for what Nintendo wants to do with it but not a powerhouse. The camera and speakers suck too.

2. Design. The decisions made during the design are questionable. Everything from the placement of the stylus, the power button being where you expect the start button to be , no second analogue stick (oh yeah I di-id), blinking coloured lights in random places, dinky slider bar for 3D effect... Very poorly designed system.

3. Screen. Too small. The XL fixes this for another $200. Last gen PSP had a bigger screen. Nintendo cheaped out here and it shows.

4. Build quality. Cheap and plasticky with jagged pieces sticking out at all the connection points that just gather dust and grime, the bottom piece scratches the top screen because they touch when the system is closed (I actually stuck my rubber pads from my 360 onto my 3DS to fix this). People already reporting broken hinges which is a carry-over design flaw from the DS Lite. Doesn't feel solid.

Exceptional? Even without the iPhone comparison the answer is no. And yes, I have both a 3DS and an iPhone and like them both for different reasons, but I'm not going to go fanboy on a fun but flawed system like the 3DS.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 02:22 PM

Quick question I've wondered for awhile.

I subsribe to Cagcast from a third-party podcast app (icatcher). Do you guys "see" this subscription in your reporting for advertisers, or do only subscriptions from official Apple apps count?

#67 Filler2001

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:06 PM

Cheapy is so anti-Nintendo that it's just silly now. While I disagree that the 3DS XL is so amazing, stop putting iPhone in a category so far above it without accounting for higher price and a worse game library, you arrogant piece of shit. It's a phone. Not a dedicated game console.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 04:27 PM

Cheapy is incredibly rude when he doesn't want to talk about something like the 3DS, or anything Wombat or Shipwreck enjoy that he doesn't. And yet, when other people don't want to talk about Sleeping Dogs, he acts super upset. It seems like classic low self esteem, always talking himself up, alway bashing anything that anybody else enjoys that he doesn't.

I wonder if he's like this in real life. Or if this is some sort of character he plays.

#69 bickle

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:21 PM

Show Notes

8:30 Dark Knight Rises
11:00 Watch This - First Position, Detective Dee and the Phantom $Flame
18:00 Show Feedback
18:00 Dyad Demo
18:45 XBLive ads
22:30 Batman Beyond
25:00 New Releases
25:00 Wreckateer
29:45 Foosball. Cheapy sets the record for the most usage of the $word 'Balls' in one segment.
37:30 Kung Fu Strike:The Warrior Rise
42:00 Shipwreck@Best Buy
49:00 Serious Sam III
50:45 ME3 multiplayer
55:45 Blacklight Retribution
56:45 Outernauts
57:45 Gabe Newell's anti-Win8 stance
60:00 Sleeping Dogs
62:45 Little Big Planet Karting beta
65:15 Nintendo's earnings loss
65:45 Super Mario Bros 2 - digital/retail and 3DS XL
70:00 Reddit game codes stuff
71:30 KoF XIII Climax
73:15 Sony 3D
75:15 PC vs Console
76:00 3DS XL
76:45 Burgers in Tokyo


I watched Detective Dee a couple weeks ago, thought it was good but oddly uncompelling. It's on Netflix, so it's worth 2 hrs. It was advertised pretty heavily on the back cover of comics for a few months.

Newell doesn't like Win8 because the built in Win8 app store will compete with Steam. I don't understand his comments about losing OEMs, perhaps he's just exaggerating that for effect.

A CAG code distibution feature is awesome and a great way of responding to the needs of the CAG community.

#70 theredworm

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:23 PM

I really love that wombat finally saw the light on me3 mp. I got more than my money's worth on me3 on mp alone the single player put it over the edge, game of the year for me for sure. I'd play me3 with you anytime wombat, even take you out of bronze for some REAL xp gains.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:30 PM

I'm going to just say that the dashboard is going to be faster in the fall.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 05:40 PM

Cheapy,

Perhaps you can't view the image links of the Thurman burger due to Japan having banned importing beef and all beef products including JPEG files of tasty american hamburgers so I've posted a few google image links:


Oh... beef? Here's the celebratory meal I had after we bought our first house in May.
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#73 donssword

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

re: Sherlock Holmes and martial arts

Sherlock trained in Bartitsu, which was brought to the UK in 1898. Even more interesting, is that Bartitsu founder E.W. Barton-Wright was a well known supporter of women's rights and trained women as well.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

Can we just have Cheapy never talk about mobile gaming? We get it, he doesn't play anything mobile. He sounds like an ass though when he dismissed the entire platform for doing exactly what others want it to do. I won't use my phone for gaming outside of 5 minute sessions, because, as Wombat aptly said "it's a fucking phone." When I'm on a 5 hour flight across the country, Mario, Castlevania, Advanced Wars, etc on my DS is going to be much more entertaining than the glorified minigames I have on my phone.
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#75 itachiitachi

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

It was interesting to hear Cheapy and Wombat have a little debate about the 3DS.

Cheapy, is there any kind of feature or game that could change your opinion on the system? What would you like to see?

Raise the price to at-least $1,000, cut it's power to the point that it can only play causal games, paint it white and put an apple logo on it.

Forgive me if I have a little nuance to my worldview, and am not a black/white ideologue who can't grasp complexity.

 

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#76 Icedus

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:30 PM

You've reminded me what a pain in the ass shopping at Best Buy is. Last time I went in there and made a beeline for a specific memory card, three dudes stopped me on the way and asked if I needed help with anything. Meanwhile, every time I need to find a section of the store, it takes me ten minutes to flag somebody down in a different area who has to call somebody in the section I'm looking for, and then when they show up they're in a hurry to herd me there and then disappear.

Having said that, I am kinda curious about that private shopping dealy. I think I'll go next time they invite me.

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:20 AM

re: Sherlock Holmes and martial arts

Sherlock trained in Bartitsu, which was brought to the UK in 1898. Even more interesting, is that Bartitsu founder E.W. Barton-Wright was a well known supporter of women's rights and trained women as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu

http://www.bartitsu.org/


That was very interesting, thanks!

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 12:33 AM

I really don't like Wombat in this episode..

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 02:18 AM

I didn't say an iPhone is a exceptional game machine, I said it was an exceptional device, and I feel similarly about any modern smartphone. It's amazing that we can carry a portable computer in our pockets. Those of you who thought I was comparing an iPhone (or any smartphone's) game playing ability to a dedicated gaming machine missed the point completely. There is continued discussion on my guest appearance on this week's 8-4 Play.


I did go back and listen to that part of the podcast and yes, I could see how I missed the point of what you were trying to say. You were basically faulting Wombat for his use of the phrase "exceptional device" to describe a 3DSXL when you yourself think that the iPhone is more deserving of that monicker given its capabilities. At the same time though, just because one thing is an "exceptional device" doesn't mean that another thing can't be that as well.
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:12 AM

Cheapy, is there any kind of feature or game that could change your opinion on the system? What would you like to see?


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:16 AM

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:48 AM

for the record. Wombat first described the 3ds as incredible.
Cheapy was the one who interpreted Exceptional.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:33 PM

Oh... beef? Here's the celebratory meal I had after we bought our first house in May.
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Now, THAT, my friends is an EXCEPTIONAL burger!!

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 12:26 AM

The way to fix the ad problems with the Xbox 360 dashboard so that people have fewer problems with ads is to give the users customization options. With the main home page beside the disc and quick play squares, there is a rotator of five ads with four other ads to the right of it that isn't a great home page like you'd get on most other devices where you get to decide what's on it and how that's organized. If they got rid of the rotator and replaced it with four more squares, you could give users four to six squares to put any game, app, or shortcut (Game library, any of the marketplaces, achievements, videos, music, pictures, etc.) that they'd like. The rest of the squares can be used for any ads that Microsoft pleases. The other tabs could remain the same since they're usually advertising relevant items to those sections of the dashboard.

If Cheapy already has Foosball 2012, why does he keep freaking out about not getting a code on Twitter?

I played Foosball 2012 with two Move controllers, which controls really well once I got used to rotating the rods independently. I managed to score every goal for and against me in the campaign, though I won each game anyway.

The best thing that Wombat has said in his entire run on the CAGcast is "It's a fucking phone that plays shitty games."

As an iPod Touch owner with a PC, which is an important distinction, it's one of the most frustrating pieces of premium electronics that I've ever purchased. Losing saves for all of the games I did have killed the appeal it had to me as a gaming device, so I'm sticking to used Apple devices for the future if I decide to bother getting a newer Touch. I'd rather pay about the same amount of money and get gaming devices that will be fully supported for several years than maybe two years if you're lucky.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 01:33 AM

The best thing that Wombat has said in his entire run on the CAGcast is "It's a fucking phone that plays shitty games."


Wombat was so dead on about the iphone/3DS thing. Iphone games are the dollar menu at McDonalds. 3DS/PSP/Vita games are ACTUAL meals. Both get the job done but one provides a more rewarding experience.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:33 AM

Great to hear Wombat get into something online multiplayer with Mass Effect 3.

I'd love to see Shipwreck get into some multiplayer as well.

Multiplayer is such a huge part of the modern gaming experience, and can be so much fun, I'd love to see you guys dabble in (and discuss) more online multiplayer games, whether it's Borderlands 2 or Battlefield or whatever.

Oh, those were the days, when Cheapy played Battlefield.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 04:28 AM

Quick question I've wondered for awhile.

I subsribe to Cagcast from a third-party podcast app (icatcher). Do you guys "see" this subscription in your reporting for advertisers, or do only subscriptions from official Apple apps count?


No matter how you get the show, the file is still served by our host, therefore it shows up in our stats. It doesn't differentiate between subscribers and non-subscribers.

It's amazing in one sense, but an unlocked iPhone 4S costs between $649 and $849. Of course the tech is going to better than a $200 3DS XL. But the games still aren't anywhere near as good, and that's coming from someone who has no interest in Mario or Zelda.

Likewise, on average, 3DS game prices are 20x to 30x the price of smartphone games. :)

Cheapy is incredibly rude when he doesn't want to talk about something like the 3DS, or anything Wombat or Shipwreck enjoy that he doesn't. And yet, when other people don't want to talk about Sleeping Dogs, he acts super upset. It seems like classic low self esteem, always talking himself up, alway bashing anything that anybody else enjoys that he doesn't.

I wonder if he's like this in real life. Or if this is some sort of character he plays.

If something like that really made me upset, I'd be dead by now.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:10 AM

I must see that picture of the guy jacking off to the arcade machine. Maybe my life is boring, but I'm incredibly interested in the odd world of Cheapy D and his stories of debauchery. Keep the stories coming and i'll continue to live my life vicariously through the cagcast. Great show!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 07:18 AM

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