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#901 bvharris

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

"we have best health record in the world" - Mitt Romney.

Saying outright bullshit is why it's easy to appear to be victorious. Who thinks he's looking victorious? The folks watching who don't care about facts.


I think he'll look victorious among those people who don't.

The bottom line is it's very difficult to debate someone who spends the entire debate lying. Based on the optics of the debate, I thought Romney was the one who outperformed expectations. I doubt the light of morning (read: fact checkers) will be as kind to his performance though.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:34 AM

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:38 AM

Oh, the riots in Spain are because of...Keynesian economics?

Spain is in a Keynesian death spiral.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:38 AM

This is the only shot Romney has at this point. Charisma full speed ahead, damn the fact checkers.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:44 AM

Romney
Segment 1: Waaah, I want the last word!
Segment 2: And this one!
Segment 3: This one, too!
Segment 4: Ok, I guess you can have one, Mr. President.
Closing Statements: Woohoo, coin toss!

Also, 'devastating military cuts' by Obama in his SECOND term, I guess not only was he waiting until term 2 to enact his diabolical plan, but now we'll only be spending more than the next 13 nations combined instead of the next 290 (/hyperbole).

And, also.... Bwahahaha foolish fact checkers. You cannot touch me in the Debate Fortress of Solitude (same for Obama to a lesser extent.)

Oh, and if Romney is President, goodbye PBS, hello Moderator Donald Trump.

As this was the first Pres. Debate I've watched, I just want to say, "Yuck." What a vague mess of smoke and mirrors.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:48 AM

Spain is in a Keynesian death spiral.


A charming claim. Tell me more about what is causing the riots.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:48 AM

I'm interested to see how much attention the post-debate fact checking will receive. I feel that Romney looked and sounded really positive, but man, he administered a metric Fuck-ton of bullshit tonight.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:48 AM

Romney
Segment 1: Waaah, I want the last word!
Segment 2: And this one!
Segment 3: This one, too!
Segment 4: Ok, I guess you can have one, Mr. President.
Closing Statements: Woohoo, coin toss!

Also, 'devastating military cuts' by Obama in his SECOND term, I guess not only was he waiting until term 2 to enact his diabolical plan, but now we'll only be spending more than the next 13 nations combined instead of the next 290 (/hyperbole).

And, also.... Bwahahaha foolish fact checkers. You cannot touch me in the Debate Fortress of Solitude (same for Obama to a lesser extent.)

Oh, and if Romney is President, goodbye PBS, hello Moderator Donald Trump.

As this was the first Pres. Debate I've watched, I just want to say, "Yuck." What a vague mess of smoke and mirrors.


lol I was thinking this the whole time. Did you notice everything he said was numbered? lol

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:52 AM

I'm interested to see how much attention the post-debate fact checking will receive. I feel that Romney looked and sounded really positive, but man, he administered a metric Fuck-ton of bullshit tonight.


Right-o. That's the unfortunate reality about debates - more folks are paying attention to eye gaze, composure, and what "zingers" people did or did not use (e.g., Obama not mentioning Bain, Romney's disdain for the lower half of the electorate, etc.).

We're measuring victory on style, and substance is left by the wayside. That's quite sad.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:57 AM

Right-o. That's the unfortunate reality about debates - more folks are paying attention to eye gaze, composure, and what "zingers" people did or did not use (e.g., Obama not mentioning Bain, Romney's disdain for the lower half of the electorate, etc.).

We're measuring victory on style, and substance is left by the wayside. That's quite sad.


Well, when someone like Romney says "My plan is too long and detailed to explain right now", then clearly it's been well thought out and will work. There is no need for them to take a long time out of their day to read this thorough explanation on how to get Healthcare perfected under Romney's plan. Best to just slide the vote his way as he no doubt has this all worked out.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:59 AM

Right-o. That's the unfortunate reality about debates - more folks are paying attention to eye gaze, composure, and what "zingers" people did or did not use (e.g., Obama not mentioning Bain, Romney's disdain for the lower half of the electorate, etc.).

We're measuring victory on style, and substance is left by the wayside. That's quite sad.


Truth. I wish people didn't judge presidential debates the same way they judge Olympic figure-skating.

#912 dohdough

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:01 AM

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that I missed the entire thing.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:04 AM

Well, when someone like Romney says "My plan is too long and detailed to explain right now", then clearly it's been well thought out and will work. There is no need for them to take a long time out of their day to read this thorough explanation on how to get Healthcare perfected under Romney's plan. Best to just slide the vote his way as he no doubt has this all worked out.


You're right, I'm sure it will have to be passed before we know what's in it, right?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:05 AM

Obama never gave specifics 4 years ago.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:10 AM

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad that I missed the entire thing.


Full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

I'll save you the trouble:
Obama: I have these problems with Romney's plan.
Romney: That's inaccurate to say about my plan, but I won't clarify any further.
*Repeat for entire program*
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:13 AM

You're right, I'm sure it will have to be passed before we know what's in it, right?

Yup. Liberals smacked you with it and we all felt better.

Obama never gave specifics 4 years ago.

Nothing like watching a heavily edited video to prove your point, eh?:roll:

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:16 AM

So I was not happy with Obama's performance but Romney did not do one thing to make me wonder if I should not vote for Obama.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:20 AM

You're right, I'm sure it will have to be passed before we know what's in it, right?


Who knows, the plan could be amazing.

But nobody knows, because despite being in the campaign run for months now, Romney hasnt taken the time to explain it.

Its not so much as the plan itself being implemented, its voting for someone who I dont feel even has a plan in place because he doesnt have answers when asked about it. Bottom line is, there are people who dont care, will say his healthcare plan will fix everything, yet not really know the details on it.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:25 AM

Yup. Liberals smacked you with it and we all felt better.


Nothing like watching a heavily edited video to prove your point, eh?:roll:


Couldn't find the whole thing. I've watched the whole thing and it is pretty funny.

I'm not talking bad about Romney or Obama, it's the way to do politics. There is no gain from talking specifics. Romney keeps it general and vague as did Obama. That's all.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:29 AM

Who knows, the plan could be amazing.

But nobody knows, because despite being in the campaign run for months now, Romney hasnt taken the time to explain it.

Its not so much as the plan itself being implemented, its voting for someone who I dont feel even has a plan in place because he doesnt have answers when asked about it. Bottom line is, there are people who dont care, will say his healthcare plan will fix everything, yet not really know the details on it.

And then fact checkers will say tomorrow that Obama wasn't' entirely truthful about how harmful Romney's plans are because Romney never really gave details about it, so unless Obama has ESP, there's no way he could know despite a long history of Romney supporting harmful ideas. This is what we've come to with the media trying to appear "balanced" as if both sides are "equal." False fucking equivalences really cheese me the Fuck off.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:31 AM

I would kill for just one of these debates to have a decent moderator, ughhhhhh.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:39 AM

I was particularly irritated when Obama allowed Romney to repeatedly assert that he (Obama) was unwilling to compromise whereas Romney was apparently a master negotiator between the two parties.

The best Obama came up with was that compromise didn't mean giving in to extremists, but he brought that up in a roundabout way by laying it on Romney's kowtowing to the far right in the Republican party.

Yet it seems to me that Obama has been more than willing to compromise, and I suppose you'll find plenty of informed liberals that feel he didn't put forth ideal legislation because of compromise.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:42 AM

Couldn't find the whole thing. I've watched the whole thing and it is pretty funny.

I'm not talking bad about Romney or Obama, it's the way to do politics. There is no gain from talking specifics. Romney keeps it general and vague as did Obama. That's all.

So you tracked down a heavily edited video to show that "both sides do it" while trying to reference an hour long interview that you think proves your point? I mean holy Fuck, do you know who Charlie Rose is? Did you bother googling "Charlie Rose Tom Brokaw?" Is watching a 4 minute clip made by a far-right winger really supposed to prove what you're saying? Cause it doesn't. All it says is that you agree with the individual that posted a heavily edited video that distorts the context.

Try again.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:47 AM

I was particularly irritated when Obama allowed Romney to repeatedly assert that he (Obama) was unwilling to compromise whereas Romney was apparently a master negotiator between the two parties.

The best Obama came up with was that compromise didn't mean giving in to extremists, but he brought that up in a roundabout way by laying it on Romney's kowtowing to the far right in the Republican party.

Yet it seems to me that Obama has been more than willing to compromise, and I suppose you'll find plenty of informed liberals that feel he didn't put forth ideal legislation because of compromise.


Romney's assertion that he was some kind of "great compromiser" was particularly irritating to me in light of the fact that he's from the party that has very publicly based their legislative agenda around blocking and opposing the President at every opportunity...

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:48 AM

Problem with politics, people get combative. Take it down a notch and we can have a conversation about it.


Obama was vague in 2008.
Romney is vague now in 2012.

It's a strategy. Attack mode on the incumbent or incumbent party as Obama did.


Do you think Obama gave specifics in 2008?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:55 AM

Problem with politics, people get combative. Take it down a notch and we can have a conversation about it.


Obama was vague in 2008.
Romney is vague now in 2012.

It's a strategy. Attack mode on the incumbent or incumbent party as Obama did.


Do you think Obama gave specifics in 2008?

I'll turn it down a fucking notch when you turn down the stupid. Back it up with reasoned arguments with some evidence that isn't a 4 minute long hack job.

edit: If you put more effort into your posts, you'd get a better response.

#927 dmaul1114

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:03 AM

Shitty debate all around, but Obama was particularly bad. Just wasn't inspired at all, rambled and stumbled on words at time, was visibly irritated at times.

Romney said lots of dumb shit, but was more charismatic for the most part. And with the intelligence and attention span of the average American, that stuff has much more impact than what is said. i.e. the drop Gore saw after his "sigh" debacle debate.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:09 AM

I couldn't find the whole interview unfortunately. I'll have to find it on the PBS website, I keep getting errors everywhere else.

I don't appreciate the harsh words though, completely uncalled for.



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Yes I do know who Charlie Rose is. What's your point?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:35 AM

Maybe I am being unfair but I thought this was not very well moderated.


There was a moderator?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:49 AM

I couldn't find the whole interview unfortunately. I'll have to find it on the PBS website, I keep getting errors everywhere else.

I don't appreciate the harsh words though, completely uncalled for.



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Yes I do know who Charlie Rose is. What's your point?


First off, you posted a heavily edited video of Rose interviewing Brokaw to show how vague Obama was. Now think about that until you can figure out why that is stupid.

Secondly, I shouldn't need to explain AGAIN how to find the full interview. If you know who Rose is, then NOT finding the video would be next to impossible unless you didn't know who Brokaw is either. This scenario is even LESS LIKELY since the youtube page tells us exactly who those people in the hack job are. The point is that there are any number of videos that could possibly illustrate your point, but you chose a biased hack job because you claim that its the only one you could find? Yeah, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.

I also don't appreciate you acting dumb or expecting people to fall for stupid bullshit.