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#1021 willardhaven

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:02 PM

Republicans should be happy since Obama and Romney are both right-wing candidates. Sure Obama has some "left-leaning" social policies (DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, pro-choice etc.), but they're both pawns of big-business and the military-industrial complex.

All of you Romney fans who think he gives a lick about the deficit are hilarious. Republicans love deficits when they're in office.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:16 PM

My issue was less about who wrote the story and more about thinking those polls actually mean anything.


You ask 800-1,000 people what they think and then you report the results. The ultimate, most costly poll will be in November, with a sample size of around 126 million.

#1023 IRHari

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 06:22 PM

Republicans should be happy since Obama and Romney are both right-wing candidates. Sure Obama has some "left-leaning" social policies (DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, pro-choice etc.), but they're both pawns of big-business and the military-industrial complex.

All of you Romney fans who think he gives a lick about the deficit are hilarious. Republicans love deficits when they're in office.


They don't love them, they just don't give a shit about them.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:49 PM

Republicans should be happy since Obama and Romney are both right-wing candidates. Sure Obama has some "left-leaning" social policies (DOMA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, pro-choice etc.), but they're both pawns of big-business and the military-industrial complex.

All of you Romney fans who think he gives a lick about the deficit are hilarious. Republicans love deficits when they're in office.


I'm not sure I could have said it better myself.

If I can find the source I'll post it, but entitlement spending has gone up an average of 8% faster since LBJ (I think?) under Republican libertarian anarcho-capitalist presidencies than it has under Democratic socialist communist presidencies. Even by their own standards, the Republican party is a complete and utter failure.

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#1025 dafoomie

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:33 AM

I would be a lot more interested in seeing entitlement spending under Democratic vs Republican congresses since they're the branch of government who actually passes legislation. I would also like to know how much of that was due to cost increases of previously existing programs.

#1026 Clak

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:00 AM

If Romney does win I'm keeping track of all the bullshit for the next 4 years, and anyone I know who voted for him as the "lesser of two evils" (their own words) is getting a damned mouthful.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:53 AM

If Romney does win I'm keeping track of all the bullshit for the next 4 years, and anyone I know who voted for him as the "lesser of two evils" (their own words) is getting a damned mouthful.


Why don't you track what Obama has been doing for these four years and how much everything improved, since apparently you think we are in the best place as a country ever.:roll:

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#1028 slidecage

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:06 AM

hey i mostly stream crap online to watch or watch dvds or other on demand comcast crap but this is the first time i seen this in a ad but i remember watching ads in 04 and 08 and dont remember this


it was an obama ad telling how bad mitt is and how he invested in a company that hired only people in china or sometime like that .... was not really paying attention

but at the end of the ad it in

Something like in BIG LETTERS

Want to give obama MONEY TEXT @#@)*#@$## to #$)*$)#*#$# and you will give him 10 bucks



thought he was not hurting for money but begging people in ads lol whatever
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#1029 dafoomie

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:29 AM

That attack ad is particularly humorous since much of Obama's investments are in a mutual fund whose biggest holdings are Apple, GE, and IBM. But you're only a lying hypocrite if you have an R next to your name I guess.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:44 AM

Shit, if you donated to Obama you get hit with 2-3 emails asking for $5 every day. They happened soon as his push for healthcare started and haven't let up since.

Today, Obama decided to honor Cesar Chavez. Hispanics will now vote for him for sure.

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#1031 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

That attack ad is particularly humorous since much of Obama's investments are in a mutual fund whose biggest holdings are Apple, GE, and IBM. But you're only a lying hypocrite if you have an R next to your name I guess.

Having money in a mutual fund and directly investing in a company that corporations outsource to are different things. They're so different that only a political luddite would make that comparison.

Shit, if you donated to Obama you get hit with 2-3 emails asking for $5 every day. They happened soon as his push for healthcare started and haven't let up since.

Do you think that Republican affiliated groups are any different? Cause they're not. Assuming you're talking about yourself and you donated to Obama's campaign, your email address has probably already been sold to other Democratic affiliated groups as well. This is SOP when you make a donation to any political group.

Today, Obama decided to honor Cesar Chavez. Hispanics will now vote for him for sure.

I'm also sure that it being Hispanic Heritage Month doesn't have anything to do with it either.:roll:

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:03 AM

Having money in a mutual fund and directly investing in a company that corporations outsource to are different things. They're so different that only a political luddite would make that comparison.


So different that he wouldn't make money off it?

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#1034 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:23 AM

So different that he wouldn't make money off it?

Thanks for proving my point and I'll let nasum handle this one.

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#1035 Knoell

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:24 AM

Thanks for proving my point and I'll let nasum handle this one.


"Look! They do it too!":roll:


It was a simple question...

Also, you guys are the kings of "look! they do it too!". I can't think of a discussion where you haven't said that.....

#1036 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:53 AM

It was a simple question...

If it was so simple, then you'd fucking understand that directly being involved and instrumental in investing in ONE SPECIFIC COMPANY is different than picking a specific mutual fund, if you even had that option, that has money invested in a diverse group of companies.

Also, you guys are the kings of "look! they do it too!". I can't think of a discussion where you haven't said that.....

You are dumb as a fucking rock. The whole point op-ed was about liberals "doing it too." All you have isn't even "gotcha" moment and no broader point. I can only assume that you'd burst into flames if you ever came close to context.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:44 PM

in a way im shocked people don't demand Receipt after they vote so they can have proof who they voted for

you vote you hit the cast button and then a little paper pops out you can take home... then again so many people are too lazy to take them at the gas station they probally be laying all over the floor at the voting place
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:05 PM

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#1039 Knoell

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

in a way im shocked people don't demand Receipt after they vote so they can have proof who they voted for

you vote you hit the cast button and then a little paper pops out you can take home... then again so many people are too lazy to take them at the gas station they probally be laying all over the floor at the voting place


The problem is that out of the thousands voting in your area, you wouldn't know if yours was missing.

#1040 dafoomie

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

Having money in a mutual fund and directly investing in a company that corporations outsource to are different things. They're so different that only a political luddite would make that comparison.

The point is that to criticize someone for investing in a company who manufactures products in China is an absurdity given how dominant that practice is. Obama bought GM with taxpayer dollars, has he demanded that they bring manufacturing back to the US? Only 20% of their vehicles are made here. 2/3rds of its jobs are overseas. What is he doing about it as President?

Somebody must be a little snippy today after seeing the latest polls.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:22 PM

actually you sort of lose on that one dohdough. Mitt's money is some high amount over 75% in a blind trust which is even further removed than a mutual fund in bluechips.

On the other hand, both are 1%ers and have little to no direct management of their money. It's so managed that if you actually asked either one what they're invested in you'd likely get a blank stare.

In the end I call it a draw.
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#1042 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:34 PM

The point is that to criticize someone for investing in a company who manufactures products in China is an absurdity given how dominant that practice is. Obama bought GM with taxpayer dollars, has he demanded that they bring manufacturing back to the US? Only 20% of their vehicles are made here. 2/3rds of its jobs are overseas. What is he doing about it as President?

First, you said it was about personal mutual funds and now, you're shifting goal posts to making it about the auto bailout. "They both do it" is an insipid point when all three actions involve different levels and types of involvement.

Somebody must be a little snippy today after seeing the latest polls.

I'm only as snippy as people are dumbshits and I don't follow polls.

actually you sort of lose on that one dohdough. Mitt's money is some high amount over 75% in a blind trust which is even further removed than a mutual fund in bluechips.

On the other hand, both are 1%ers and have little to no direct management of their money. It's so managed that if you actually asked either one what they're invested in you'd likely get a blank stare.

In the end I call it a draw.

I refuse to let your facts get in the way of my ideology.;)

It's simply a stupid point to be hung up on when they really don't have that much direct management over their personal finances. It's one thing to have a bunch of investment vehicles and another to purposely direct your disaster capital firm to directly invest in a specific manufacturer, which is my entire point.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

which sort of invalidates your point as most people in the political realm have little to no control over their private finances. It's pretty semantic at any rate.

As far as where cars are made, it's also sort of pertinent to recall that more than 50% of GM's cars are sold in foreign countries. China buys more GM cars per month than the US does. Would you rather the vehicles be built here then shipped over there and eventually sold at a loss (thus increasing the big scary chinese trade defecit) or built and sold there for a profit? A profit which eventually comes back to the US as taxable repatrioted income?
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#1044 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:20 PM

which sort of invalidates your point as most people in the political realm have little to no control over their private finances. It's pretty semantic at any rate.

I was under the impression that the whole "Romney investing in Chinese companies" was a Bain thing; not a personal finances one. I think that's where we're missing each other. dafoomie and knoell didn't really clarify it when I brought up the examples of personal vs directorship, so I just ran with it because they're treating it as the same thing.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:49 PM

Was not sure which thread to leave this in but this one seems most appropriate. Hey you guys can vote for whomever you wish but if Obama wins I will most likely fire you all. It could go in the Stay Classy thread I guess.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 08:13 PM

This mash-up just speaks for itself. People who fall for his I will say anything to get elected mantra really should wonder exactly what he WOULD do if he was President. Right now it could be anything.




I cannot get it to embed for some reason.

#1047 dafoomie

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:05 PM

First, you said it was about personal mutual funds and now, you're shifting goal posts to making it about the auto bailout. "They both do it" is an insipid point when all three actions involve different levels and types of involvement.

I think you're (intentionally) missing the point of Obama's attack ad. Romney's company invested in another company who made products overseas, therefore as President Romney would... ship jobs overseas? Enable others to do so more than Obama has?

Am I to accept this line of reasoning from a man who proudly takes credit for a government bailout of a company who has shifted most of their manufacturing and jobs overseas? And one who has his own money invested (indirectly) in companies who do the same?

It's simply a stupid point to be hung up on when they really don't have that much direct management over their personal finances. It's one thing to have a bunch of investment vehicles and another to purposely direct your disaster capital firm to directly invest in a specific manufacturer, which is my entire point.

Obama was invested in two Vanguard funds before he was President. And this company in the ad is one of many of Bain Capital's investment vehicles. The ad in and of itself makes a stupid argument, if you have significant investments there is very little chance of not investing in a company who makes products overseas. As if that is wrong in and of itself.

Should liberals sell their Apple stock because their products are made overseas?

#1048 dohdough

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:04 PM

I think you're (intentionally) missing the point of Obama's attack ad. Romney's company invested in another company who made products overseas, therefore as President Romney would... ship jobs overseas? Enable others to do so more than Obama has?

Am I to accept this line of reasoning from a man who proudly takes credit for a government bailout of a company who has shifted most of their manufacturing and jobs overseas? And one who has his own money invested (indirectly) in companies who do the same?

Read nasum's post about manufacturing again.

edit: The purpose of the auto bailout is different from investing in a company for profit.

Obama was invested in two Vanguard funds before he was President. And this company in the ad is one of many of Bain Capital's investment vehicles. The ad in and of itself makes a stupid argument, if you have significant investments there is very little chance of not investing in a company who makes products overseas. As if that is wrong in and of itself.

Having money in a mutual fund is different from what Bain did. I don't know why this is such a difficult concept to understand.

Should liberals sell their Apple stock because their products are made overseas?

Stocks are different from mutual funds. Or are you saying it's ok for cons to be reprehensible people because at least they're not being "hypocritical?"

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#1049 slidecage

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 12:58 AM

is anyone really going to watch the VP debate Thursday, i think that is nothing more then a waste of tv time what spongebob could be using :)
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 03:38 AM

is anyone really going to watch the VP debate Thursday, i think that is nothing more then a waste of tv time what spongebob could be using :)


Yeah, I think its pretty pointless too since everyone knows Biden is quite the fool. :shock:

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