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#5401 ShockandAww

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:05 AM

Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.

#5402 imac2much

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:11 AM

Unimpressed with all the IR bundles lately (besides the one with Analogue, which wasn't a bad deal). Why so many people are chomping at the bit to buy an RPG Maker XP game is beyond me, especially when you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.

Can't complain about a Blackwell game being in the bundle, but for $5? Weak bundle.


Not meaning to start any argument, but I think we can all agree that people are entitled to their own personal taste in games (shocker!). While some people may be put off by the primitive graphics (and in some ways, gameplay) of To The Moon, I honestly felt like the story more than made up for it. You may not like it (if you've even played it), but it doesn't change the fact that others DO enjoy it... and not necessarily because of what it looks like.

I thought we're now past the age where we judge video games based on visuals alone?
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#5403 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:54 AM

People seem to like the story in To The Moon. That has nothing to do with the tools used to create it.

You seem interested in Blackwell which is built using Adventure Game Studio, the point and click adventure game equivalent of RPG Maker. You can get games just like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere.

Story is great, it's just hard to justify paying for something that you can get for free elsewhere (and sometimes those free games are even better, or have even better stories). I use RPG Maker VX Ace (a newer version of the program), so maybe I have a more biased opinion.

I wasn't aware that the Blackwell series was made with Adventure Game Studio though. I've never actually played the Blackwell series, I just hear good about them now and then. Although I suppose that makes the bundle seem even less appealing now...

Not meaning to start any argument, but I think we can all agree that people are entitled to their own personal taste in games (shocker!). While some people may be put off by the primitive graphics (and in some ways, gameplay) of To The Moon, I honestly felt like the story more than made up for it. You may not like it (if you've even played it), but it doesn't change the fact that others DO enjoy it... and not necessarily because of what it looks like.

I thought we're now past the age where we judge video games based on visuals alone?

Oh I know, it's not my place to tell you (or anyone) that you shouldn't like To The Moon for any given reason. I'm just saying, it's confusing to some extent to me why people are so ready to spend money on something you can generally find for free (as is the case with RPG Maker games).

I'm not at all judging the game by its graphics (I'm a fan of JRPGs), I'm judging it by its price in comparison to the price of its peers (free). In this bundle, I can understand the appeal more (although I still think it's a very weak bundle for the high cost that IR charges). In the past though, people have seemed to agree that a $5 price point on TTM is worth it. Maybe they aren't aware that you can download good RPG Maker XP/VX/VX Ace games for free all over the place? I don't know.

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#5404 Bios Element

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:59 AM

Apparently, because you can play a game made using the same tools for free, you shouldn't buy the game to play it. Huh, I've been doing it wrong my entire life.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:00 AM

Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.


If that's what you want then Sam's your man. Run and gun. And gun. And gun. And gun.

3 is not as good as Serious Sam: The Second Encounter, but there's lots of shootin' going on.

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#5406 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:04 AM

Apparently, because you can play a game made using the same tools for free, you shouldn't buy the game to play it. Huh, I've been doing it wrong my entire life.

Did I say that you should or shouldn't do anything? No, I expressed my opinion why I thought the bundle was weak, and why I think so, the same as people expressed their opinions why they thought the bundle was good, and the same as people have expressed their opinions in the past why they thought other bundles were weak.

I'm sure the TTM story is great, and if it's worth it to you (or anyone) at this price, that's awesome. I'm just pointing out that you can get a lot of games very similar to TTM (and made by the same, or newer and more advanced programs) for free (you can download RPG Maker RTPs on the website for free, allowing you to download and play any RPG Maker game available online). Take it as you will.

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#5407 louiedog

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:05 AM

Did I say that you should or shouldn't do anything? No, I expressed my opinion why I thought the bundle was weak, and why I think so, the same as people expressed their opinions why they thought the bundle was good, and the same as people have expressed their opinions in the past why they thought other bundles were weak.

I'm sure the TTM story is great, and if it's worth it to you (or anyone) at this price, that's awesome. I'm just pointing out that you can get a lot of games very similar to TTM (and made by the same, or newer and more advanced programs) for free. Take it as you will.


Have you played To The Moon?

#5408 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:11 AM

Have you played To The Moon?

I'm sure the TTM story is great

I'd probably buy it for a dollar because of the generally positive reviews it's gotten. Until then, can't convince myself that it's worth the money.

I've played other RPG Maker games with wonderful stories, extensive custom content (if not full conversions not even using RTP resources), masterful scripting to change how the mechanics work, and a lot more work, all for free. I'm sure To The Moon does exactly that, and from reviews, I'm sure it's very well done (although I haven't heard much praise for the combat, just the story)... but it's not free, while its peers are.

That's all it comes down to, for me at least. If anyone else thinks otherwise, I don't think they're wrong, they just have a different perspective on the value than I do.

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#5409 DPsycho

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:22 AM

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:29 AM

I'd probably buy it for a dollar because of the generally positive reviews it's gotten. Until then, can't convince myself that it's worth the money.

I've played other RPG Maker games with wonderful stories, extensive custom content (if not full conversions not even using RTP resources), masterful scripting to change how the mechanics work, and a lot more work, all for free. I'm sure To The Moon does exactly that, and from reviews, I'm sure it's very well done (although I haven't heard much praise for the combat, just the story)... but it's not free, while its peers are.

That's all it comes down to, for me at least. If anyone else thinks otherwise, I don't think they're wrong, they just have a different perspective on the value than I do.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

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#5412 vince_carter

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:36 AM

I agree with idiot, i would never pay money for an RPG maker game. Unless they make a sequel to Barkley: Shut Up and Jam Gaiden. It might be a cool story or whatever but I can't support that buffoonery. Just seems like a game made by a guy in a t shirt and a fedora. Never even heard of anything else in that bundle. Pass.

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#5413 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:42 AM

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a blind dismissal at all. Clearly To The Moon is a well made RPG Maker game, but I just personally wouldn't buy it (or any RPG Maker game, unless I wanted to support the creator) for the $5 asking price it's been at (it's less in this bundle, but since I'm not interested in the other games in the bundle, not really). The only RPG Maker game I ever paid for (I wanted the other games in the bundle) was Laxius Force, and it was completely awful. I wouldn't have downloaded that game for free had I known how bad it was.

I don't think anyone who likes it, or the current IR bundle, is wrong. It just seems like others are saying my contrary opinion is wrong, so I'm explaining myself a bit better.

I did link to an RPG Maker XP trilogy called One Night earlier, which is a survival horror RPG. I haven't played a whole lot of it (I've only played a bit of the first one thus far), but it seems pretty good, and it gets a lot of really good reviews (not to mention it's a trilogy, which is sort of cool). I believe they take a handful of hours each to complete.

It is refreshing to see an RPG Maker game achieve such notoriety though; sure. If I knew the maker and appreciated his work, I would probably have bought TTM earlier. True. As it stands though, there's more variety for free elsewhere, so TTM isn't worth it for me right now. I'm not trying to force anyone to see it my way or "convert" them, though.

If there was say... a program that allowed the user to make games like Borderlands, would I buy Borderlands? Probably not, or only at a low price, since I'd be able to pick up similar games with more variety for absolutely free. See what I'm saying here?


EDIT: Here's a link to the One Night trilogy.

http://forums.rpgmak...l-horror-games/

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#5414 Cheaplikeafox 3.0

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:47 AM

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.



This. The idea that something is devalued because the tools to make it are freely available is just silly. Especially when you haven't even played the game to make an informed comment as to the quality of the game compared to other stuff. I listen to a lot of music. Lately a ton of artists give out for free and a lot of it is great. I don't stop paying for good music just because there is good free music.

I got free food once. I therefore refuse to pay for food ever again.

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#5415 Blade

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:52 AM

You know, I can't for the life of me figure out why people buy books when the tools to write one are included free with a typical computer and there are so many free fan fictions available, some with the potential to be better than retail books.

On a serious note, there's a lot to be said for enjoying something that your friends have experienced and sharing in it that way. Additionally, not having to slog through the chaff to find a gem. If you're part of an online community that does play a lot of freely-available RPG Maker games, then you'd get a lot more out of sharing said experience, but this isn't that community. To the Moon is an established game, one that's been accepted into the Steam pantheon, and many here value that differently.

I'd add that if you have any suggestions for solid free games as you've described, feel free to present them here with your reviews. You might get a few converts. At the very least, the approach would be a lot friendlier than the blind dismissal you're giving To the Moon. And if you enjoy RPG maker games to this extent, can't you be happy to see such an author make it to the spotlight? More exposure to the craft and possibly opening the door for others can't be that bad.


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#5416 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:56 AM

This. The idea that something is devalued because the tools to make it are freely available is just silly. Especially when you haven't even played the game to make an informed comment as to the quality of the game compared to other stuff. I listen to a lot of music. Lately a ton of artists give out for free and a lot of it is great. I don't stop paying for good music just because there is good free music.

I got free food once. I therefore refuse to pay for food ever again.

The tools to make RPG Maker games aren't freely available. They cost money (around $100 for the newest software).

And I didn't make an informed comment about the quality of TTM. In fact I assumed it was of high quality (why else would people like it?).

The fact is, I wouldn't pay for food if I could always get food elsewhere for free. Anyone can always get RPG Maker games for free, therefore it's going to take me (and probably others who have played RPG Maker games, free or not) a lot of convincing and a very very low price to pay for an RPG Maker game.

But if other people feel different, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what the argument is.

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#5417 Cheaplikeafox 3.0

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:06 AM

The tools to make RPG Maker games aren't freely available. They cost money (around $100 for the newest software).

And I didn't make an informed comment about the quality of TTM. In fact I assumed it was of high quality (why else would people like it?).

The fact is, I wouldn't pay for food if I could always get food elsewhere for free. Anyone can always get RPG Maker games for free, therefore it's going to take me (and probably others who have played RPG Maker games, free or not) a lot of convincing and a very very low price to pay for an RPG Maker game.

But if other people feel different, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm not sure what the argument is.



Come on now, you stated multiple times that you can get free games just as good, even better, etc. You're in no position to make those comparisons since you haven't played to the moon.

There's a big difference between saying "I personally refuse to buy games made with RPM Maker because I can get games made by RPG Maker for free" and saying "You can get games just as good or even better for free."

You making comparisons as to quality of the games is where people have an issue. I have no argument, but I'm just saying if you haven't played TTM you'd be better served refraining from making any quality comparisons to other games since you have no basis for your opinion.

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#5418 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:12 AM

Come on now, you stated multiple times that you can get free games just as good, even better, etc. You're in no position to make those comparisons since you haven't played to the moon.

There's a big difference between saying "I personally refuse to buy games made with RPM Maker because I can get games made by RPG Maker for free" and saying "You can get games just as good or even better for free."

You making comparisons as to quality of the games is where people have an issue. I have no argument, but I'm just saying if you haven't played TTM you'd be better served refraining from making any quality comparisons to other games since you have no basis for your opinion.

You're misunderstanding me, because I originally said "you can get games like it (for better or worse) for absolutely free elsewhere." I didn't say that free games are better than TTM.

And in any case, I'm speaking in a more general sense. Ironically, some online free flash games are worlds better than games you have to pay for, so when I said "sometimes those free games are better", I was speaking in broad terms. Price doesn't always determine quality, that's all.

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#5419 Cheaplikeafox 3.0

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:18 AM

Story is great, it's just hard to justify paying for something that you can get for free elsewhere (and sometimes those free games are even better, or have even better stories). I use RPG Maker VX Ace (a newer version of the program), so maybe I have a more biased opinion.

I wasn't aware that the Blackwell series was made with Adventure Game Studio though. I've never actually played the Blackwell series, I just hear good about them now and then. Although I suppose that makes the bundle seem even less appealing now...


Oh I know, it's not my place to tell you (or anyone) that you shouldn't like To The Moon for any given reason. I'm just saying, it's confusing to some extent to me why people are so ready to spend money on something you can generally find for free (as is the case with RPG Maker games).

I'm not at all judging the game by its graphics (I'm a fan of JRPGs), I'm judging it by its price in comparison to the price of its peers (free). In this bundle, I can understand the appeal more (although I still think it's a very weak bundle for the high cost that IR charges). In the past though, people have seemed to agree that a $5 price point on TTM is worth it. Maybe they aren't aware that you can download good RPG Maker XP/VX/VX Ace games for free all over the place? I don't know.



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#5420 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:26 AM

I'm not misunderstanding anything. I've said my piece. No big deal.

Like I said, that "sometimes" comment was geared towards free games versus paid for games in general, like I just said. I also wasn't expressly referring to TTM. Like I said, I paid for Laxius Force (an RPG Maker XP game like TTM) in a bundle, and it was terrible, and I've played free RPG Maker games much better than it.

Sometimes free games are better than paid for games. I've experienced exactly that. Is that the case for TTM? I don't know; I wasn't commenting on that. You did misunderstand me. That said, I understand what you're saying.

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#5421 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:28 AM

Anyone have any thoughts on Serious Sam 3/Jewel Of The Nile? Thinking about picking those up but have never really played Serious Sam before. It looks like it's a mostly mindless shooter which is fine with me as long as it's fun.

I have no experience with the DLC but Serious Sam 3 is god damn amazing. Let me explain why, Croteam packs the levels with a metric fuckton of enemies and well you feel like this is a fucking alien invasion. I can't recommend this game enough as long as you like mindless shooters.

Also XCOM is brilliant. The game itself is easy to pick up, but Ironman mode makes the game better. Every turn, action, everything is permanent, but it doesn't make the game harder. The game is just as difficult, it just puts more weight on everything you do down to movement because if you Fuck up, oh well you can't go back.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:28 AM

Did you get it to work? I didn't realize the code changed. It used to be a Chrome extension with a one-click install, but the newest version of Chrome only allows extensions from the Chrome Web Store to be installed.

All you have to do is download js file in that thread, go to "Settings" then "Extensions" and drag it into the window and click "Install".


THAT makes sense. Their instructions say you have to copy something into the target area and every way I tried didn't work.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:30 AM

Like I said, that "sometimes" comment was geared towards free games versus paid for games in general, like I just said. I also wasn't expressly referring to TTM. Like I said, I paid for Laxius Force (an RPG Maker XP game like TTM) in a bundle, and it was terrible, and I've played free RPG Maker games much better than it.

Sometimes free games are better than paid for games. I've experienced exactly that. Is that the case for TTM? I don't know; I wasn't commenting on that. You misunderstood me. That said, I understand what you're saying.

I bought it, because unlike you, I'm an addict. :drool:
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#5424 Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:32 AM

I bought it, because unlike you, I'm an addict. :drool:

No skin off your back... Unless of course you bought Laxius Force like me, in which case I'm sorry. :lol:

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:33 AM

I have no experience with the DLC but Serious Sam 3 is god damn amazing. Let me explain why, Croteam packs the levels with a metric fuckton of enemies and well you feel like this is a fucking alien invasion. I can't recommend this game enough as long as you like mindless shooters.

Also XCOM is brilliant. The game itself is easy to pick up, but Ironman mode makes the game better. Every turn, action, everything is permanent, but it doesn't make the game harder. The game is just as difficult, it just puts more weight on everything you do down to movement because if you Fuck up, oh well you can't go back.


I've been playing without ironman mode on, but haven't reloaded, so essentially the same thing. I think for extra life I'm going to start a classic difficulty ironman playthrough.

And I agree, I'm loving every moment if it.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:35 AM

THAT makes sense. Their instructions say you have to copy something into the target area and every way I tried didn't work.


They wanted you to add command line code so when the application executes it will re-enable the ability to install unofficial Chrome extensions. The parameters would make it so you could then download the js and it would install automatically. It's not really necessary because there's such an easy work-around. In fact, it's potentially unsafe to do it their way.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:35 AM

sigh........

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:36 AM

Hoping Tony matches the
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which I'll then buy for 9.37 with the 25% off coupon.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:39 AM

No skin off your back... Unless of course you bought Laxius Force like me, in which case I'm sorry. :lol:

I was wrong, sir. You are an addict. Damn I wish Origin would have another 100% off sale or even better Steam. :bouncy:
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#5430 Idiotekque

Idiotekque

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:49 AM

If anyone is interested in rooting up some free RPG Maker games, here's an interesting article on PC Gamer.

http://www.pcgamer.c...pg-maker-games/

All of these games are way better than To The Moon.

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(Kidding, but who knows. ;))

Selling Groupees Sometimes Tuesday Bundles for $1.10 PayPal or one TF2 key. PM me!

 

Terraria - $2 (Steam),  X3: Terran Conflict - $2 (Steam)Fable: The Lost Chapters - $2 (Steam)

 

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