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#31 jcp42877

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 01:43 AM

I just saw they released MGS2 and 3 separately for $14.99 each. I also have not played any of these except trying 2 on the Vita. Would 3 be good to play first? I hear it's probably the best of the series.
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#32 AFRO insomniac

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:01 AM

If you are just starting out are not sure if you will like the series, I'd recommend playing snake eater (MGS3). The game is a prequel to the other games so you won't really need to know the backstory from the other games and it has the best story/characters in my opinion.

The only bad thing about starting with 3 is that if you do enjoy the game, going back and playing the older games will feel dated in the controls department.

In all honesty the best thing to do is start with MGS1 if you can handle the PS1 graphics. If play the series in order you will appreciate 3 even more since many of the characters are younger versions of themselves.

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#33 gunnm

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:14 AM

So, is this a good place to step into the MGS world? I've never played any of em cept the NES version.

MGS 3 is so fucking awesome and MGS 2 is just as good.

#34 usrevenge

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:19 AM

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#35 ProfessorStotch

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:02 AM

Oh please, it wasn't anything like the current version. And again, there is no evidence that the current services are going to stop... except for the paranoid delusions of people who think they will be gaming in the retirement home.


Servers for games shut down all the time. Titles are always being removed from marketplaces when their rights expire. These things do happen, its not like people are just making it up. Knowing the latest stance on backwards compatibility, I would not be surprised if next gen systems don't play current gen games. And at that point, the downloads will be removed for new games.

If I have a disc version, I can play it for as long as I want. If I lose the disc, break it, scratch it up, or if I'm stupid enough to leave it on the floor to be stepped on...those are all things I have control over and can help avoid by not being an idiot and taking care of my shit. If a digital distribution service shuts down, I have zero control over it. And unless I've saved my digital games to an uncorruptable hard drive, I'm always at risk of losing them and never getting them back. With hard discs, I can always get a copy. Even if I have to pay an arm and a leg for the rare games, the option is still there.

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#36 Kazuya

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:32 AM

Servers for games shut down all the time. Titles are always being removed from marketplaces when their rights expire. These things do happen, its not like people are just making it up. Knowing the latest stance on backwards compatibility, I would not be surprised if next gen systems don't play current gen games. And at that point, the downloads will be removed for new games.

If I have a disc version, I can play it for as long as I want. If I lose the disc, break it, scratch it up, or if I'm stupid enough to leave it on the floor to be stepped on...those are all things I have control over and can help avoid by not being an idiot and taking care of my shit. If a digital distribution service shuts down, I have zero control over it. And unless I've saved my digital games to an uncorruptable hard drive, I'm always at risk of losing them and never getting them back. With hard discs, I can always get a copy. Even if I have to pay an arm and a leg for the rare games, the option is still there.


Again, there are pros and cons to both formats. I can play my PSOne digital classics on my PSP or my Vita. I'd like to watch you stick your old PlayStation disc on the PSP and play it. Digital copies don't take up any physical space, can have superior load times and can be downloaded on to other consoles without having to carry anything around or go to a store. And even a two year old can come up with a simple redundancy plan to keep their games safely backed up. I have several delisted XBLA games safely copied away, and unless two drives fail at the same time nothing is going to happen to them, and I won't need Xbox Live at all. There are good things about discs too, but I'm tired of people coming into threads with digital content and saying the same crap. 99% of gamers do not care about having a copy of a mass market game to last until the end of time and aren't worried about Xbox Live Armageddon. Lasting as long as their Mountain Dew powered attention span is plenty. So unless you've got a disc deal that's cheaper than this deal, stop raining on the digital parade.

#37 bfg9k

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:11 AM

I can play my PSOne digital classics on my Vita.


When did this happen??

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:24 AM

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#39 StryderOmega

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 11:52 AM

When did this happen??


There is/was an update released/coming out shortly that will allow ps1 games on the vita.

I haven't turned my vita on in a while to find out, lol

#40 thrinn

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:05 PM

If I have a disc version, I can play it for as long as I want. If I lose the disc, break it, scratch it up, or if I'm stupid enough to leave it on the floor to be stepped on...those are all things I have control over and can help avoid by not being an idiot and taking care of my shit. If a digital distribution service shuts down, I have zero control over it. And unless I've saved my digital games to an uncorruptable hard drive, I'm always at risk of losing them and never getting them back. With hard discs, I can always get a copy. Even if I have to pay an arm and a leg for the rare games, the option is still there.


As you've pointed out, whether you have your games on a hard drive or on a retail disc, you're still at risk of losing access to the game one way or another.

Please correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Microsoft introduce the ability to backup digital content to a USB device? Or maybe that was just for save files. Perhaps it's moot when you factor in the DRM.

Normally I'd be right there with you on insisting on having a physical copy of a game. This collection, however, is a different story. It's more or less a reproduction of existing games. I can still dig out my PS2 copies of MGS2 and MGS3, but improvements in this collection make it more appealing than the older versions. When Live support does eventually end for the 360 there will probably be another reissue of MGS2&3 with even more features available for the Xbox 720. At that point will you really want to play the 360 versions anymore?

#41 needler420

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:14 PM

As you've pointed out, whether you have your games on a hard drive or on a retail disc, you're still at risk of losing access to the game one way or another.

Please correct if I'm wrong, but didn't Microsoft introduce the ability to backup digital content to a USB device? Or maybe that was just for save files.

Normally I'd be right there with you on insisting on having a physical copy of a game. This collection, however, is a different story. It's more or less a reproduction of existing games. I can still dig out my PS2 copies of MGS2 and MGS3, but improvements in this collection make it more appealing than the older versions. When Live support does eventually end for the 360 there will probably be another reissue of MGS2&3 with even more features available for the Xbox 720. At that point will you really want to play the 360 versions anymore?

You're still missing the whole point. When you purchase digital content most providers state in their TOS that you don't own the game you license them. PSN and XBOX360 could shut down tomorrow and you have no legal action other then hoping class action lawsuits start to help compensate some lost content. As stated above with physical copies you're pretty much 100% in charge of what happens to a physical material with the exception of natural or even man made disasters to hit your area.

Basically if you want a chance to play the game 10-20 years from now as you would a NES/SNES game cartridge (if you don't do emulators) then your going to want physical copies. With digital your dependent on their service. Comparing being able to lose a physical copy to something digital which you have no control over the service is ignorant talk to me.

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#42 Kazuya

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

You're still missing the whole point. When you purchase digital content most providers state in their TOS that you don't own the game you license them. PSN and XBOX360 could shut down tomorrow and you have no legal action other then hoping class action lawsuits start to help compensate some lost content. As stated above with physical copies you're pretty much 100% in charge of what happens to a physical material with the exception of natural or even man made disasters to hit your area.

Basically if you want a chance to play the game 10-20 years from now as you would a NES/SNES game cartridge (if you don't do emulators) then your going to want physical copies. With digital your dependent on their service. Comparing being able to lose a physical copy to something digital which you have no control over the service is ignorant talk to me.


You are clearly the one missing the point, since it's already been pointed out that you don't need Live to play the games, just to download the games. If you backup the games and use a simple redundancy plan, you are not dependent on Live (even though you have no reason to suspect Live is shutting down, outside of weird hoarder paranoia).

Your statement about playing in 10-20 years also shows you are in a bit of a fantasy world. There is a good chance you won't even be gaming in 5 years, much less 20. If in 20 years your games are still locked up in your fallout shelter, your kid will have probably sold them when you weren't looking for weed. If by some miracle you are still an active gamer, I would imagine you will be playing Metal Gear Solid 20, not an extremely old Metal gear 2. If by further miracle, you actually have time as a middle aged adult with likely a career and a family, who has burned through all of the current gen games with no backlog... AND you can't find a copy of this game which has been printed millions of times over on the cheap or even buried next to E.T. in a landfill... then congrats, paying the extra $5 for that disc might have paid off.

#43 needler420

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:02 PM

You are clearly the one missing the point, since it's already been pointed out that you don't need Live to play the games, just to download the games. If you backup the games and use a simple redundancy plan, you are not dependent on Live (even though you have no reason to suspect Live is shutting down, outside of weird hoarder paranoia).

Your statement about playing in 10-20 years also shows you are in a bit of a fantasy world. There is a good chance you won't even be gaming in 5 years, much less 20. If in 20 years your games are still locked up in your fallout shelter, your kid will have probably sold them when you weren't looking for weed. If by some miracle you are still an active gamer, I would imagine you will be playing Metal Gear Solid 20, not an extremely old Metal gear 2. If by further miracle, you actually have time as a middle aged adult with likely a career and a family, who has burned through all of the current gen games with no backlog... AND you can't find a copy of this game which has been printed millions of times over on the cheap or even buried next to E.T. in a landfill... then congrats, paying the extra $5 for that disc might have paid off.


Did it ever occur to you there are adult members in the community that are still playing video games since a kid. I bet some of them even have their video games growing up. I bet that didn't occur to you though. Your still missing the point you don't own digital content. You can lose it tomorrow and can't do anything.

You're dad stepping on your physical copy is about the stupidest most ignorant comparison i've yet to hear.

Also you can't back up digital content on PS3. It reformats the HDD every time so backing up is impossible with the PS3. All you can do is back up save files to my knowledge unless you start messing with firmware and modding. I'm pretty sure it works the same way with xbox so if that's the case then you can't back up at all. Backing up means having access to the servers to redownload.

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#44 gunnm

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

Would 3 be good to play first? I hear it's probably the best of the series.

Yes 3 has nothing to do with 2

#45 Kazuya

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:16 PM

Did it ever occur to you there are adult members in the community that are still playing video games since a kid. I bet some of them even have their video games growing up. I bet that didn't occur to you though. Your still missing the point you don't own digital content. You can lose it tomorrow and can't do anything.

You're dad stepping on your physical copy is about the stupidest most ignorant comparison i've yet to hear.


I own my digital content, and I'm not losing it tomorrow. Step into the real world with me and out of the fantasy world... before your dad steps on another one of your discs. You are not going to play through Metal Gear Solid 20 years from now. You think you will, and it sounds like a good idea, but it's not going to happen.

#46 EDiTOR9

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:21 PM

Where are the mods to quiet those two down? This thread was supposed to be a digital deal not bickering about who owns what...

Anyway, I'll wait for a PS3 deal. There are certain franchises I like playing on the PS3 like MGS & RE.

#47 needler420

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:24 PM

I own my digital content, and I'm not losing it tomorrow. Step into the real world with me and out of the fantasy world... before your dad steps on another one of your discs. You are not going to play through Metal Gear Solid 20 years from now. You think you will, and it sounds like a good idea, but it's not going to happen.

You don't own the content noob. Try actually reading the TOS. You're licensing the content.

We may remove your content from the Service at any time and for any reason, including if: (i) you breach this contract; (ii) the content exceeds limits on storage or file size; or (iii) we cancel or suspend the Service. You are responsible for backing up the data and content that you store on the Service. We may permanently delete your data from our servers if the Service is suspended or canceled. We do not have any obligation to return data to you after the Service is suspended or canceled. If data is stored with an expiration date, we may also delete the data as of that date. Data that is deleted may be irretrievable.


We provide the Service "as-is," "with all faults," and "as available." We do not guarantee the suitability, reliability, availability, accuracy or timeliness of information available from the Service, or that the Service will be uninterrupted, secure, error-free or that data loss will not occur. You acknowledge that computer and telecommunications systems are not fault-free and occasional periods of downtime will occur. We give no express warranties, guarantees, or conditions. We disclaim all warranties with regard to the Service, including any implied warranties (e.g., those of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, workmanlike effort, title and non-infringement). You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change.


You can recover from us for all successful claims only direct damages up to a total amount equal to your Service fee for one month. You cannot recover any other damages, including consequential, special, indirect, incidental, or punitive damages and lost profits.

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#48 feeter277

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:29 PM

I own my digital content, and I'm not losing it tomorrow. Step into the real world with me and out of the fantasy world... before your dad steps on another one of your discs. You are not going to play through Metal Gear Solid 20 years from now. You think you will, and it sounds like a good idea, but it's not going to happen.


No we are only replaying the games 11 and 8 years after they were originally released... I even still play my original Legend of Zelda

#49 Kazuya

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:42 PM

You don't own the content noob. Try actually reading the TOS. You're licensing the content.

We may remove your content from the Service at any time and for any reason, including if: (i) you breach this contract; (ii) the content exceeds limits on storage or file size; or (iii) we cancel or suspend the Service. You are responsible for backing up the data and content that you store on the Service. We may permanently delete your data from our servers if the Service is suspended or canceled. We do not have any obligation to return data to you after the Service is suspended or canceled. If data is stored with an expiration date, we may also delete the data as of that date. Data that is deleted may be irretrievable


What is your point, this is exactly the same for disc games, you don't own them either. You have a license to play them. Your whole argument is based on the doomsday Live ending scenario, but I already told you, my games are backed up. I don't need Live, your argument is null and void.

The point was never really about how long these things will last, of course a disc and a console is going to be the longest lasting scenario. But there's no reason people wont be able to enjoy their digital content for the foreseeable future... all you're doing is spreading misinformation and paranoia. What you just can't face is that it's totally ridiculous to ignore money-saving deals on the basis of MAYBE not being able to play these games 20 years in the future. It's hilarious you think that you will care about that then.

#50 Kazuya

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

No we are only replaying the games 11 and 8 years after they were originally released... I even still play my original Legend of Zelda


How old are you? I do know people who play/replay older games, but they are younger people who have time to do it in addition to playing current titles. While I do think that we will one day start to see older gamers who started at the Atari/PC level, the truth is you are probably not going to be gaming at all in 20 years. That's just life.

#51 bfg9k

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:18 PM

While I do think that we will one day start to see older gamers who started at the Atari/PC level, the truth is you are probably not going to be gaming at all in 20 years. That's just life.


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#52 Grammaton-Cleric

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 05:21 PM

How old are you? I do know people who play/replay older games, but they are younger people who have time to do it in addition to playing current titles. While I do think that we will one day start to see older gamers who started at the Atari/PC level, the truth is you are probably not going to be gaming at all in 20 years. That's just life.


The average age for a gamer is currently 37, which also happens to be my age. We grew up with this medium and we have no inclination to toss gaming aside any more than we might toss aside other mediums such as literature, television or film.

#53 Jimmienoman

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

I own my digital content, and I'm not losing it tomorrow. Step into the real world with me and out of the fantasy world... before your dad steps on another one of your discs. You are not going to play through Metal Gear Solid 20 years from now. You think you will, and it sounds like a good idea, but it's not going to happen.


I just busted out my NES to play rampage, Arch Rivals and Super Spike V'Ball. I would bust out my SNES to play FF2/3 and Chrono Trigger often but I sold the cartridges for $50+ a piece a while ago. Me and my friends still regularly break out our Xbox to play Halo LAN. Not to mention I have a modded Xbox that houses all my ROMS for NES, SNES, Genesis etc.

So I am a person that can vouch for still playing old systems. I am also going on 30 so can vouch for "older" gamers. Granted I don't get to game a ton, but I still do

#54 Kain Vincent

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:56 PM

I'm finding this physical vs digital debate to be funny. Both sides are making good points here, but ultimately things will be digital anyhow. As a guy who enjoys having a big collection of games, I understand the pride a person can have in regards to their collection. However, digital is going to be the way of the future. Look in terms of the hardware such as the SNES. Most of the cartridge batteries are dying/dead already, so you would have to either replace them yourself or get someone to do it for you (costing you additional time and money on top of the media cost).

What is ironic is that most of this "digital only" content has already been (or will be) preserved by console modders/hackers. Which will allow future generations to be able to play them without them completely disappearing.
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#55 intoxicated662

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 07:16 PM

Digital content loses, period. Just check back for the halo 2 fiasco with the games dlc and such. You can't go back and download old Xbox content anymore so if that worries/bothers you, then get a physical copy. I'm an adult gamer and have experienced all of this myself.

Back on topic, you're better off waiting for a sale on the physical copy of the HD Collection unless of course, you don't care for Peacewalker.
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#56 w00dm4n

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:09 PM

You must have missed the memo to what happened to the first xbox live service.


he still has those Halo 2 Maps and digital copy of Ms PacMan sitting on his Xbox harddrive...
now if the original xbox dies,i guess he's still right?

#57 Jimmienoman

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 08:21 PM

Digital content loses, period. Just check back for the halo 2 fiasco with the games dlc and such. You can't go back and download old Xbox content anymore so if that worries/bothers you, then get a physical copy. I'm an adult gamer and have experienced all of this myself.

Back on topic, you're better off waiting for a sale on the physical copy of the HD Collection unless of course, you don't care for Peacewalker.


I take it you don't go online and look at ROMS much. You can find a majority of Xbox live items through rom sites

Yes I do love my physical copies, but my modded xbox running all my ROMs is simply AMAZING. No need for my 100+ NES cartridges (although I kept my favorite games and go old school once in a while).

Likewise all the PS1 games I have ROMS for.

So I see your point, but there are ways to save your digital content which is a lot easier than saving a physical item. Backup and redundancy makes ROMs virtually eternal

#58 Nintendonly

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:02 AM

I own my digital content, and I'm not losing it tomorrow. Step into the real world with me and out of the fantasy world... before your dad steps on another one of your discs. You are not going to play through Metal Gear Solid 20 years from now. You think you will, and it sounds like a good idea, but it's not going to happen.


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#59 intoxicated662

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:37 AM

I take it you don't go online and look at ROMS much. You can find a majority of Xbox live items through rom sites

Yes I do love my physical copies, but my modded xbox running all my ROMs is simply AMAZING. No need for my 100+ NES cartridges (although I kept my favorite games and go old school once in a while).

Likewise all the PS1 games I have ROMS for.

So I see your point, but there are ways to save your digital content which is a lot easier than saving a physical item. Backup and redundancy makes ROMs virtually eternal


Modded is the keyword. That's also the original xbox, not xbox 360. There are ways to save content legal and illegal. Technically, you could mod your Xbox 360 right now and do that stuff too but it is frowned upon. As for me, at the end of a console's life cycle count everything as a loss especially digital content. Upon a new console out, you won't be getting much for controllers or anything else.

By the way, in the Games On Demand description for MGS HD it describes both games only. They could add a disclaimer that it doesn't include Peacewalker, that would be helpful.
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#60 David Hibiki

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:43 AM

As long as you purchased the 360 content on the xbox your currently playing on (or did a license transfer to that xbox) you can play that game offline forever and/or as long as your 360 works.

The problem arises when your 360 dies and MS no longer supports the 360. You will be relying on MS to not only have full backwards compatibility but also the ability to re-download 360 content free of charge. I can actually either a) see Live prices going up again because of this or b) MS charging for re-downloading 360 content if they decide to let 360 content work on the next xbox. Imagine all the people downloading gigs and gigs of content onto their next xbox and all the old games MS has to keep server side? I just don't see MS being the king of freebees.

Either way it sucks in the long run because I'm sure even the 360S will start to break down. While the NES and SNES have more "classic" games I'm sure there will be a few games on the 360 I'd like to go back to again someday barring a HD facelift version on the next system. Alan Wake, Mass Effect and the Gears trilogy to name a few.