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#61 ragingst0rm6

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 10:58 PM

Not true. I ordered something yesterday, and saw today that it added $3 tax. Tried to cancel, and it said it was in shipping.

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My pre-order of the Borderlands 2 CE guide (which I placed on September 14) also had tax added on when it shipped today.

Kind of sketchy that I wasn't notified in any way of the "difference" between when I pre-ordered it and the final shipping price.

#62 smallsharkbigbite

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:08 AM

I think the point was that he didn't want to argue with it. He was trying to not turn it into an argument of ethics. Besides, as Lentricchia would say, "Tell us truly, have you no filth in your soul?" Most people are not in a position to make arguments of what is and isn't moral. A cynical person that is aware of this will certainly be irritated when they see one.

(For the record, though, his response was a bit on the 'strong' side... lol)



His point was I'm a horrible person. I may or may not be a horrible person. Even if I'm the most unethical person in the world, not sure why that means he shouldn't have to pay sales tax.

I disagree with your quote. Nobody's perfect, if it takes a perfect person to speak up then our board would be filled with empty threads.

He very much did want to talk about ethics. That's why he talks the way he did to try and elicit an emotional response from me.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:16 AM

Urm - you're kinda (completely) assuming having to pay sales tax on an interstate transaction is "ethically correct." The Constitution doesn't even allow for this type of tax, nor does the fact that something is a law demand its ethicality.


It's clearly a law as the supreme court has upheld the states ability to generate sales/use tax. I'd be much more up for the government isn't ethical argument if you didn't use US sponsored money or pay other taxes and were active in trying to get the laws changed. As use tax is the low hanging fruit in taxes, not paying it seems like you are avoiding it for selfish reasons to me.

A state's revenue comes its taxes. Which means my taxes are increased when they have revenue shortfalls. Which means that by not paying sales/use tax you are in fact stealing from me. So I'm sorry for making assumptions that stealing is ethically wrong.

#64 Kylearan

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 06:35 PM

A state's revenue comes its taxes. Which means my taxes are increased when they have revenue shortfalls. Which means that by not paying sales/use tax you are in fact stealing from me. So I'm sorry for making assumptions that stealing is ethically wrong.


A state having revenue is a joke and contradiction in terms - states don't make revenue, they take revenue generated by its citizens.

Revenue shortfalls come primarily from government overspending, inflation and unrealistic forecasts of so-called revenue. Government shouldn't be spending money it doesn't have and it shouldn't be taking it in the quantity it is.

Pointing the finger in the wrong direction, bub. They're stealing - not us.

#65 Zaku77

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 09:44 PM

A state having revenue is a joke and contradiction in terms - states don't make revenue, they take revenue generated by its citizens.

Revenue shortfalls come primarily from government overspending, inflation and unrealistic forecasts of so-called revenue. Government shouldn't be spending money it doesn't have and it shouldn't be taking it in the quantity it is.

Pointing the finger in the wrong direction, bub. They're stealing - not us.



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#66 Kylearan

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 07:30 AM

Yeah, no worries. None at all.

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:40 PM

Yeah, this is complete crap. I actually do live in a state that currently hasn't shown any plans to tax it yet but I'm sure they will soon. The thing is though Amazon is still insanely cheap as I do 95% of my entertainment shopping though there and as long as they keep their prices in check I honestly don't see myself abandoning them. New games probably I won't get there as much unless they have a good bonus since the actual store will be just as convenient but for many other things I'll still shop there as long as they keep their good prices since even with tax they'll end up cheaper than retail stores.

#68 IAmTheCheapestGamer

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

I still have my $10 promo code from last fall when I bought a string of MSRP games while using converted BB credit(via Amazon Kindle gc's) when Amazon was doing the $10/$20 promo codes with certain titles. I also have about $4.50 in regular credit left on there. So now that PA has Amazon tacking on sales tax as well, I might as well use up my remaining credit and be done with the company.

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#69 wiggyx

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:19 AM

I'm really quite surprised that this hadn't happened long ago. I don't particularly like it, but it is what it is. We pay taxes on other retail purchases, and online sales are still just that, sales. I don't want to try and turn it into a Republican vs Democrat debate, but I'm pretty far from upset about the change.

#70 MICHAE2414

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:25 AM

I still shop at Amazon taxes or not, so no concerns from me. I'm in CA and NewEgg's always charged me tax too, anyway.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:23 AM

Amazon is still the best option around as far as I'm concerned. Their prices are lower than any stores in my area and they're a hell of a lot more convenient. All other online stores already have sales tax and they charge a lot more for shipping (and I have Prime), so I might as well stick with what already works for me. If the tax on Amazon ever becomes a nuisance, all I have to do is spend 20 minutes on Mechanical Turk and make up the difference.

#72 Confucius

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

Still buying from amazon. Thanks.

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:21 PM

I live in NY so I'm used to paying taxes on every purchase made outside of Newegg. I still like Amazon mainly because I get like $3-400 in GCs a year from Swagbucks and other reward sites. But their deals this year have been pretty crappy. I've noticed that I very rarely get a foreign sounding customer service rep anymore unless I call late at night. I'm noticing a lot more American reps picking up calls so I think perhaps they're hiring more Americans.. meaning they have to pay them more so they've cut back on giving out so much credit and crazy bargains. Meanwhile BestBuy is having insane deals but I've noticed that in the past, their reps always were Americans who spoke english clearly. Now that BB has all these sales I've noticed the reps I speak to all have really heavy accents - hispanic, not indian, kinda like at Sony. :O So since those kinds of workers get paid next to nothing.. perhaps that explains why BB is doing so well. I still think Amazon is gonna destroy the competition during the holiday sales though.

#74 dmaul1114

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

No tax here, but they are expanding what online stores get taxed--will have to see if that includes Amazon.

Wouldn't change my shopping with them though. Their prices are usually great (and I'm not an obsessive deal hunter anyway), I love the Prime shipping (almost always get things in 1 business day lately), and just prefer ordering online with hassling with going to the store for anything other than groceries, toiletries and clothing.