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#31 shieryda

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 01:30 PM

I shudder to think of the revenue lost if they cancel the Winter Classic.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 03:37 PM

Yup, the Preds game my wife got us tickets for got cancelled too. This is such a stupid lockout. I get that the teams need financial stability. But without the players, you have no product. Unless they want to march a bunch of beer league players out there and see if people will pay to watch them kill each other and fall down a lot.

When the league is increasing revenue, that should be a sign that you're doing something right. Why would you overhaul of the system completely in that case? You just need some tweaking. At the very least, if the owners are going to argue that player salaries need to come down, then they should also be arguing that ticket prices and merchandise would come down. After all...if it's because of "the economy", then that should apply across the board.

And really, if the split was already 50/50, then that should be good enough. But as high as the owners would go was 46%. So, they think they bring more to the game than the players do... Come on. If the NHL didn't exist, the players could still make a decent living playing in Europe (as many of them are). What the hell would the owners do if the league didn't exist? 50/50 is as fair as you're going to get. And now they're losing money just out of spite. It's stupid.


I would be willing to watch a bunch of beer league players as long as tickets were not the same price for NHL level players. Hell bring in some of the AHL or CHL players. If the St. Charles Chill were to start up this year I would say the hell with the NHL and just got watch some CHL games.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 04:05 PM

I would be willing to watch a bunch of beer league players as long as tickets were not the same price for NHL level players. Hell bring in some of the AHL or CHL players. If the St. Charles Chill were to start up this year I would say the hell with the NHL and just got watch some CHL games.


Yeah, but the prices can't solely be based on the talent level of the players. The team still has to pay for the arena, pay for travel, hotel, etc. I'm sure they could scale it back some...but what you'd basically be left with IS the AHL. That's what the NHL needs to figure out. Can it function with stability at such a high level...because that's just going to be expensive...no matter how you divvy up the pie.

Though, honestly, at the end of the day, the players are likely going to have to buckle. If you're making $10 million playing in the NHL...and the next best offer you could get playing overseas is $6 million, what's to stop them from cutting your salary to $7 million? They're the boss...and it's still better than you could do anywhere else. So, what are you going to do? It doesn't make it right, but if that's what they feel like doing, you're kind of screwed. Unless you're willing to play for even less just out of principle, you're just going to have to bend over and say "ah" like the rest of us, lol.

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Posted 21 September 2012 - 06:28 PM

I wasn't talking 10 bucks for glass seats. Hell I'm just talking drop the price maybe 10 or 15 percent. Same with the merchandiser.

As for what the players make the way I see it they are just like any other person that does contracted work. Once that labor agreement is over you may not make the same. If I worked for a company that was represented by the Teamsters, then when that contract was up I may not make the same. Also do you really need more than 5 million over 2 years?

Depending on what the players have to pay they don't need as much as they get. Sure if travel expenses, medical and some sort of retirement come out of that then they need enough to cover the cost of all that then give them money for themselves. Hell they need something in case they can never play hockey again so some sort of disability is needed and again some sort of retirement is needed also. If they get all that and the 5 million over 2 years then they don't need that much money but if all that comes out of the 5 million then hell they could use more.
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Posted 21 September 2012 - 06:40 PM

I think that the records of some of the AHL teams will improve significantly this year with some of the younger guys getting assigned to their respective farm teams.

Need to check the Wolves roster here and determine if it would be worth it to try and see some potential NHL stars.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:59 AM

I wasn't talking 10 bucks for glass seats. Hell I'm just talking drop the price maybe 10 or 15 percent. Same with the merchandiser.

As for what the players make the way I see it they are just like any other person that does contracted work. Once that labor agreement is over you may not make the same. If I worked for a company that was represented by the Teamsters, then when that contract was up I may not make the same. Also do you really need more than 5 million over 2 years?

Depending on what the players have to pay they don't need as much as they get. Sure if travel expenses, medical and some sort of retirement come out of that then they need enough to cover the cost of all that then give them money for themselves. Hell they need something in case they can never play hockey again so some sort of disability is needed and again some sort of retirement is needed also. If they get all that and the 5 million over 2 years then they don't need that much money but if all that comes out of the 5 million then hell they could use more.


I agree. Nobody needs to make that much money (though there definitely are far worse offenders in professional sports than hockey players). But if the money saved is just going straight into the owners' pockets then we're not going to see any differences anyway. That's why I feel like the owners would have a much stronger case and be able to make the players look greedy if they were actually pushing the "lower salaries mean lower costs...which means more fans...which means stability for the league" agenda. The way it feels now is just too sides arguing "I'm not getting enough money!" when in reality, the fans are the ones footing the bill.

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Posted 22 September 2012 - 12:51 PM

The owners are also getting way to much money. Hell they are not the ones out on the ice risking the chance of a career ending injury. I really think prices for tickets and merchandise needs to come down or wages for the employees at the arenas should go up. The players, coaching staff, managers, owners and everyone else I'm sure make more than what they need to. Everyone not employed by the NHL is where the sales for the arenas needs to go to. I'm sure some of it is but a larger cut needs to go to the arenas for their staff.

Really all this is, is pointless arguing between the players and owners that has the fans paying for it and hurting the NHL. If their is no 2012-2013 season then I don't see the NHL bouncing back from another lockout when the next CBA is up.
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Posted 23 September 2012 - 07:43 AM

The way it feels now is just too sides arguing "I'm not getting enough money!" when in reality, the fans are the ones footing the bill.


Fans directly finance very little in any professional sport. Player salaries and league revenues exploded because of TV deals, not ticket sales or merchandise.

Fans are still a part of it because someone has to watch the games on TV and see the commercials, but that can be done without paying a single cent to the league.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:16 PM

I'm assuming that all these players signing with other leagues and that KHL will be broadcasted here means were not going to have a season... ?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:20 PM

I'm assuming that all these players signing with other leagues and that KHL will be broadcasted here means were not going to have a season... ?


You've heard of preparing for the worst, no?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:33 PM

Gretzky thinks a deal will be done by Jan. 1...

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:44 PM

You've heard of preparing for the worst, no?


Well, these guys are signing a contract so they are obligated to play the whole season for who ever they sign with or they can just be pulled out by the NHL team... ?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:37 PM

Well, these guys are signing a contract so they are obligated to play the whole season for who ever they sign with or they can just be pulled out by the NHL team... ?


They most likely have an opt out clause in their contract that allows them to leave for the NHL once an agreement is reached.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:02 AM

Does anyone think they will go with scabs?

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#45 shieryda

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:41 PM

I wish there was another sport I could pick up... Wish auto racing was broadcast more here... unfortunately, NasCrap is it...

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:13 PM

Watch Formula 1 if you can. Just have to usually watch in the mornings if you're living in North America. Though I don't even know if the season is still going on at this point. I haven't payed attention the last 4 years or so.

As for replacement players? No. It's an absolute joke. It would not compare to any of the top 5 European hockey leagues.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:01 PM

I wish there was another sport I could pick up... Wish auto racing was broadcast more here... unfortunately, NasCrap is it...


If you want to get into soccer now's a good time. You got the Euro league seasons such as EPL and La Liga starting plus our own league MLS is starting to head towards the playoffs. The Eastern Conference race alone has gotten quite fun tho now its down to five teams fighting for places 2nd to 5th to get into the playoff hunt with New York, Columbus, DC United, Houston, and right now Columbus is barely on the outside looking in... and Montreal technically is kinda still in but IMO I don't see them making it.

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:37 PM

Barclay's Premier League. It's an excuse to start drinking ales at 7:30AM on Saturdays.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:20 AM

Soccer sucks... too many Golden Globe/Emmy winning actors... Every other sport becomes really really slow when you're used to Hockey speeds too.

Formula 1 is cool. I think they are mid or towards the end of the season.

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#51 KillerRamen

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 06:14 PM

I just got over the last strike... These idiots (the players and the owners) need to come to an agreement before one more game is cancelled and they better not institute any new stupid rules or unnecessary changes.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:39 PM

No-touch icing needs to happen. NOW.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:21 AM

At least during the last lockout we had the Phantoms to watch around here... since the Spectrum is gone, they have since moved to somewhere in NY. I really hope the entire season isn't canned, I really don't think I could take an entire year without any hockey of any kind.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:51 AM

No-touch icing needs to happen. NOW.

As someone who watches college hockey... No touch icing is gay. Even if the offensive player is 20 feet ahead of everybody its still icing if it crosses the line before he touches it. All it'll do in the NHL is take away the stretch pass and create a lot of whistles in a game that has way too many already.

If you want to make some other adjustments, like wave off icing if two guys are racing neck and neck for it, thats not so bad.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

Anything to keep 2 dudes from crashing into the boards feet-first (or neck-first) during a race for the puck, and keep players safe during plays like that, I'm all for it. Whatever it takes to prevent a player from suffering a career or season-ending injury.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 06:05 PM

After having experienced this sorta play personally and getting hurt from it, I have to agree with Shieryda. Been 6 mo. since playing so far...

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:19 PM

No touch icing is gay.


Not sure what you mean here - gay things are pretty awesome in general, yet the rest of your post is highly critical of the idea of no-touch icing.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:38 AM

ESPN2 played what might have been the same KHL game twice today and Fox Sports Midwest is playing game 3 for San Jose and St. Louis. So it looks like we might get KHL on ESPN2 and repeats from last season on Fox Sports Midwest.
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#59 dafoomie

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 02:02 AM

They'd have been better off with the Swiss or Czech leagues, that was a fairly typical KHL game. Boring as hell.

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Posted 10 October 2012 - 06:48 PM

I was excited to see the KHL on ESPN last night (despite it being slow). Wish I could watch my Bruins play though.

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