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#151 mitch079

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

Replays showed that Camara took two steps and then glided the last 10 feet before making contact. Luza shouldn't have kept his head down so long. Hard hit, but legal from my perspective.

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#152 Nifty_Shark

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

That's a really hard hit but I can't call that a penalty. Luza has a mild concussion apparently. I guess the referees were a bit frightened by the commotion surrounding the injured player and felt some pressure to make a call.

#153 jello44

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:32 AM

So what happens if you're a season ticket holder? Are you on the hook for the payments still? How easy/difficult (okay, difficult) is it to get out of them?

It seems the teams should be bending over backwards to not Fuck season ticket holders, and to make sure that they court those people - the big spenders and the die hards. But my guess is they're more likely to take them for granted, and squeeze them for another nickel.


I think it depends on the team.

I had a partial season ticket plan with the Flyers and you could either keep your tickets and gain interest on whatever money you had already paid which would go towards the rest of your payments or a refund on the money you've already paid, but you'd still be a ticket holder and if/when they resumed.

I asked if I could cancel my plan and they obliged.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

Apparently the NHL has sent a memo to off-ice officials...

http://sports.yahoo....05121--nhl.html

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:48 AM

Apparently the NHL has sent a memo to off-ice officials...

http://sports.yahoo....05121--nhl.html


That could just mean that the league EXPECTS the players to take their offer. They've been "surprised" by the Union's "unwillingness to negotiate" before though. I'm hopeful that it actually means something, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:03 AM

At this point however is there really much of a season left if some kind of agreement is made?

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 02:51 AM

At this point however is there really much of a season left if some kind of agreement is made?


They have time for a 48 game season...which has been done before (shortened 1994 season). Bettman said they won't play less than 48 games. So, this is basically the last chance to have a season. If they don't reach an agreement now, the season gets cancelled and things get awfully messy with lawsuits and court proceedings.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:02 AM

They have time for a 48 game season...which has been done before (shortened 1994 season). Bettman said they won't play less than 48 games. So, this is basically the last chance to have a season. If they don't reach an agreement now, the season gets cancelled and things get awfully messy with lawsuits and court proceedings.


Not to mention the NHL loses whatever credibility it had built up after the last lockout.

How the hell Bettman keeps his job astounds me.

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:10 AM

Not to mention the NHL loses whatever credibility it had built up after the last lockout.


They still have credibility at this moment?

How the hell Bettman keeps his job astounds me.


Because the NHL owners get what they want out of him - more people buy into "both sides are at fault" tripe than they do seeing the owners and league as being responsible for their own losses (due to signing bloated front-loaded contracts for way too long as well as their refusal to admit they need to move from cities where they can't turn a profit, like Phoenix).

No matter what CBA is signed, the PA will be giving up *something* to the owners, meaning the owners win. If 50/50 HRR sharing seems reasonable to you now, you're incidentally supporting the owners taking money from the players to cover ownership-level fuckups. If you decry the PA fighting back as "millionaires fighting with millionaires," you show an incuriosity to the true power play that is going on. And if you think "why don't they all just shut up and play hockey," you don't care about an ownership-level power play that fucks the players for the sins of the owners.

And that apathy, dear friend, is why Bettman keeps his job, and will keep his job.

Let's be honest - the 8 teams keeping the lockout going to the chagrin of the other 22 teams are the villains here. Jeremy Jacobs and Ted Leonisis the worst of all. The NHL having a vote (via PHX) is an enormous conflict of interest that should not be allowed. Allowing 8 owners to dictate what 30 are required to do is a frighteningly low threshold - just over 25% is all it takes (compare that with 700+ players voting for a disclosure of interest vs. ~52 against).
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

NHL is on! Yippee!!!
Something to keep me busy after football is finished.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:06 PM

NHL is back baby!!

New 10 year CBA should keep it going for awhile. THE LOCKOUT IS OVER!!

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:17 PM

OMG. About damn time!

EDIT: "technically" we have a framework...but here are some of the key items:

Some of the final compromises: The term of the CBA will be 10 years, with an out after eight years. Contract lengths will be limited to seven years, or eight if a team re-signs its own player. The salary cap in Year 2 will be $64.3 million, the same as it was last season. All were contentious issues.


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#163 DNukem170

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Does this mean all this will happen again in 2021?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

Does this mean all this will happen again in 2021?


Unless they figure out a way to contend the CBA sooner, yes. Yes, it will.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

I won't be satisfied until the first puck drops.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

Yeah, the hesitation in all this just makes me nervous. Words like "framework" and "tentative" and "almost" just make it feel like either side could get pissy at any moment and call the whole thing off. Let's get this damn thing ratified and get the teams practicing already.

#167 NinjaPenguin777

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:17 PM

Well word is January 15 for games. 48 or 50 game season. I am ok with this

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#168 DestroVega

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

Zero chance this falls apart. When the NFL reached a "tentative" deal, the players were like "there's no deal. We haven't even seen this proposal"

That's cause it doesn't matter, once the union reps reach a deal, they basically make the players vote for it. Otherwise if the players were so against it, they would break the union apart and fire all the union leaders when they reformed.

The chances of that are amazingly unlikely.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

It's been contentious enough of a negotiation process that I want to agree with you, Destro. But since we've seen sides storm away from the negotiation table just because someone they don't like walks in the door (Donald Fehr), this has been a very challenging lockout that exposes a lot of hurt feelings, unneeded sensitivity, and bruised egos.

So while I think there's a greater than zero chance that it could still not be ratified (i.e., I wouldn't be shocked if Jeremy Jacobs pulled some dirty shit at the last minute), I think that it is indeed a really *close* to zero chance.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

Anybody think this will actually bite the NHL in the financial ass long term? I tend to think not since people seem so eager to get back into seats after the billionaires and millionaires wasted half the season nickeling and diming each other. I expect another "we have the best fans" backhanded rally speech sometime after the season is officially back in.

#171 DestroVega

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

Anybody think this will actually bite the NHL in the financial ass long term? I tend to think not since people seem so eager to get back into seats after the billionaires and millionaires wasted half the season nickeling and diming each other. I expect another "we have the best fans" backhanded rally speech sometime after the season is officially back in.


Probably will bite them dollar wise in the short-term. An entire season lost would have been more of a long term effect.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 09:02 PM

Meh... Also, if fans don't boycott they are stupid. Let everyone involved in the NHL feel a whole season without income feels like (these days) and that might make them think twice about being complete fucking idiots...

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

The thing is if fans don't go to the games then all the bars and parking garages/lots are in the same situation they are currently in.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:17 PM

Well, these idiots NEED to know they can't just rip out a sport fans love and get away with it... They need to feel as much pain as the fans have... I don't think there is anyone that won't suffer in some way. I can't imagine many of the "people behind the scenes" at all these venues still have a job at this point...

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

I would rather see fans park in the garages/lots and go to a local bar near the arenas on game nights then if people are going to boycott the games. That way the fans are not hurting the people that run the parking garages/lots and the bar owners and the employees of the garages/lots and bars.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:32 AM

Great article here.

http://sports.yahoo....00708--nhl.html

I doubt half of these things will actually happen, but they would definitely be steps in the right direction. I'm not going to be one to "boycott the NHL". I agree 100% that both sides should have been thinking of the people who put them in the position to be so rich and successful, and never let it get this far. But I also don't take the lockout personally. It was about business, and my interactions with the league will be based on the same things (which is how I generally try to conduct myself anyway). And if the league showed true remorse by doing some/all of the things mentioned in the article above, I'll be much more generous with my time/money as well.

But I'm not going to go see a Preds game because they "need me" there. I'm going to do it if it's convenient, somewhat economical, and enjoyable. I'm not going to ignore my family for the team. I'm not going to put myself into debt to get center ice season tickets. But I wouldn't do those things anyway. I don't boycott a movie just because it was delayed. So, I'm not going to pretend to be angry enough to keep myself from enjoying a sport that I love. Do I wish the lockout hadn't happened? Of course. But am I glad it's over and hockey is coming back? You bet your ass I am! :)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:47 AM

Capitals win the Stanley Cup.

It's Over. You know it.

Ovie and Backstrom will win the cup so the Caps owner won't want to renegotiate their contracts. With Holtbeast in net, you can't stop us!
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:18 PM

As an Avs fan living in Buffalo, I don't have many opportunities to see my team regardless. But I plan on going to a game or two (nosebleed section) to enjoy some hockey. I'll also be stopping by some local establishments and support them as well.

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#179 speedracer

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:36 PM

Working every angle on the planet trying to get tickets to the Kings opener.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

I hope Luongo gets traded to Florida. The pressure on him there will be much less than in Vancouver or Toronto. Detroit could sign Corey Perry, too, please.

Jan. 19 can't come soon enough.