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#61 camoor

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

Really, though. It's one day for 8.5 hours. You'll get over it.

If you're working in a locked factory for 18 hours straight, or down in a non-ventilated coal mine. Yes, strike. Demand your rights.

But having to eat a Thanksgiving lunch instead of dinner? Missing the big football game? Come on, you'll live. By Saturday I'm sure whatever emotional scars you have from being forced to work on a holiday will be healed.


They want something, something reasonable, and they have the guts to put their jobs on the line to get it.

Haven't you ever stood up for yourself - you sound like a human doormat.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:25 PM

They want something, something reasonable, and they have the guts to put their jobs on the line to get it.

Haven't you ever stood up for yourself - you sound like a human doormat.


What do the want that is reasonable? A day off when they are scheduled to work?

Perhaps they should find jobs working for a business that is closed on Thanksgiving. It is NOT reasonable to expect a day off that you are assigned to work. At least not at any of the jobs I've ever had....

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

They want something, something reasonable, and they have the guts to put their jobs on the line to get it.

Haven't you ever stood up for yourself - you sound like a human doormat.

Most people these days are conditioned that they should give up everything for work.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:35 PM

They have every right to fight for their employer to treat them better.

Working holidays is just a fact of retail life though, so not much chance they succeed, especially with so many people still out of work.

As others noted, all we can do as consumers is just not support this consumerist bullshit by rushing out to spend money on stupid Black Friday deals on shit we don't need and mostly don't want.

I've stopped paying much attention even to online deals beyond looking for deals on gifts for others. I came to realize I was buying too many movies, albums, games etc. just because they were cheap and had too much stuff I never watched/listened to/played (or did so once and never touched it again). So now I seldom buy something just because it's cheap. I pretty much know what I want and just buy most things I want around launch unless it's something I don't have a desire to watch or play right then in which case I may wait for a better deal.

Anyway, Wal-mart sucks and consumerism sucks. The only thing we can do is not give companies like Wal-mart that treat their employees like crap our business and not drive consumerism by engaging in Black Friday sales and buying a bunch of stuff we don't need more generally.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

Most people these days are conditioned that they should give up everything for work.


No, most people are conditioned these days to take what they can get. Fact of like kid; we're in a shit economy. Not everyone can get a job that allows them many of life's luxuries. However, those that can get those jobs that compensate well should be thankful. These Walmart employees work shit jobs, I'll fully admit that. But if that is all they can currently get, then so be it. If they can better themselves and move up, even better. But they knew full-well when they were hired that they may have to work holidays since this is a retail job. There is no reason to throw a bitch fit, as others have said.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

Perhaps they should find jobs working for a business that is closed on Thanksgiving. It is NOT reasonable to expect a day off that you are assigned to work. At least not at any of the jobs I've ever had....


That's why I said you're a human doormat, duh.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

That's why I said you're a human doormat, duh.


So expecting a day off when you are assigned to work in advance makes you a human doormat huh? A doctor not expecting Christmas off? A professional athlete with a game on Thanksgiving? An EMT scheduled to work NYE? A cashier at 7/11 that has to work Labor Day?

Yep I guess they are doormats for doing as they were contracted to do by their employer?

Not everyone buys into these bullshit sensationalism stories about "poor me". I fully support the employees decision to walk out if they don't like the terms set forth by their employer HOWEVER I don't expect to have to financially support them because they left a job because they didn't want to carry out a reasonable request.

#68 dohdough

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:27 PM

Dude, you have nothing to be thankful for in your life? Really?

He thanks himself. No joking.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:41 PM

It's also called being an adult. Part of life is doing things you don't want to do, and just suck sometimes. You get over it, you move on. (My parents gave me this attitude. They're very pragmatic)

Shit, there will be other Thanksgivings. Missing part of one isn't going to kill you.

Fight and strike over safe working conditions, or health benefits, or retirement. Not having to work one extra day.

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#70 dmaul1114

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:47 PM

To be fair, the problem is that retail companies treat employees like shit, and Wal-Mart is pretty much at the top of that list.

So being asked to work on Thanksgiving is just one more kick of the workers who are already beat down by everything else. One thing Wal-mart had going for it was they used to be closed on Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter when other stores (grocery etc.) were open. So now they've yanked one more benefit of working there away.

It's also just a sad statement about society that people will go line up to spend money on shit they don't need instead of spending a holiday with family and friends and thus encourage retailers to keep doing this.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

To be fair, the problem is that retail companies treat employees like shit, and Wal-Mart is pretty much at the top of that list.

So being asked to work on Thanksgiving is just one more kick of the workers who are already beat down by everything else. One thing Wal-mart had going for it was they used to be closed on Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter when other stores (grocery) etc. were open. So now they've yanked one more benefit of working there away.

It's also just a sad statement about society that people will go line up to spend money on shit they don't need instead of spending a holiday with family and friends and thus encourage retailers to keep doing this.


Yeah I agree with your last point. It was a little extreme but I had friends growing up who were Mormons and they would not buy anything (unless it was an emergency) on Sundays or Holidays (the idea being they didn't want to support businesses being open).

I think the bigger problem in retail isn't so much the hourly staff being treated like shit (and for the most part they are) it is the entry level shift managers that getting treated like shit and then it trickles down from there.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:56 PM

It's also called being an adult. Part of life is doing things you don't want to do, and just suck sometimes. You get over it, you move on. (My parents gave me this attitude. They're very pragmatic)

Shit, there will be other Thanksgivings. Missing part of one isn't going to kill you.

Fight and strike over safe working conditions, or health benefits, or retirement. Not having to work one extra day.

Uhhh...have you seen the Hostess thread? In case you haven't noticed, people are shitting on the ones that fight for those things. Just because someone works a shitty job doesn't mean we have to treat the people that work them like shit.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

It's also called being an adult. Part of life is doing things you don't want to do, and just suck sometimes. You get over it, you move on. (My parents gave me this attitude. They're very pragmatic)

Shit, there will be other Thanksgivings. Missing part of one isn't going to kill you.

Fight and strike over safe working conditions, or health benefits, or retirement. Not having to work one extra day.


Those actually are 2 of their concerns. Black Friday is being used to hold Walmart over the barrel because it is the most important day of the year to Walmart and thus the most likely day to bring attention to the shit conditions of Walmart. As I already posted...

http://www.addicting...rike-organizer/


The workers are striking to protest suppressed wages, spiking health care premiums, and management retaliation against employee organizing.



#74 camoor

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:19 PM

So expecting a day off when you are assigned to work in advance makes you a human doormat huh? A doctor not expecting Christmas off? A professional athlete with a game on Thanksgiving? An EMT scheduled to work NYE? A cashier at 7/11 that has to work Labor Day?

Yep I guess they are doormats for doing as they were contracted to do by their employer?

Not everyone buys into these bullshit sensationalism stories about "poor me". I fully support the employees decision to walk out if they don't like the terms set forth by their employer HOWEVER I don't expect to have to financially support them because they left a job because they didn't want to carry out a reasonable request.


Too much wrong with this post, I'll try to hit the high notes.

- Pro-athletes are not doormats, they strike all the time.
- Healthcare industry is a different beast, not relevant to this convo.
- Sounds like you are a supporter of bringing back the Poor Laws

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

The workers are striking to protest suppressed wages, spiking health care premiums, and management retaliation against employee organizing



So what you're saying is that in the coming months we should see protests by all retail employees as well as those in service industries and other low paying jobs.

I mean low wages and spiking health care premiums aren't just issues faced by walmart employees... right?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:08 PM

So what you're saying is that in the coming months we should see protests by all retail employees as well as those in service industries and other low paying jobs.

I mean low wages and spiking health care premiums aren't just issues faced by walmart employees... right?


Yep, because that quote is directly from the article which I apparently wrote now...

Here's the fucking context, because apparently you're too dense to get it.

-Eldergamer says not to strike unless its for something like low pay or benefits
-I reply, with a cited source, that those actually are 2 of their concerns
-You herp, derp your dumbass in apparently saying that I'm advocating all industries strike within the coming months.

What the actual Fuck? There's misconstruing, and then there's completely changing what someone says. you're about 5 miles past both of those...

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

I work at 7:45pm on thursday and I'm off at 11:45pm before 12am so that I don't get holiday pay carrying over to the next day after a 15 min. break I have to come in at 12am till 7:30am sleep and come back same day at 5:30pm till 11:45pm for the final shift. Then I get Saturday off to think about my life. My five friends are going to be hanging out at sweet apple acres drinking cider and having veggie burgers I got to make sure adults don't fight and take care of their children while wearing pjs for a tv that will be return in a few days.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:44 PM

Ahhh yes, Wal-Mart's dickensian attitude toward it's staff, one of the many reasons I don't shop there.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:55 PM

Really, though. It's one day for 8.5 hours. You'll get over it. .


Actually for a lot of us It's worst. I'm working 12 hours 5pm to 5am (usually sleep around 1amish at worst) so I'll be exhausted. Then to top it off I have to come back at 5pm (less then 12 hours after leaving when you factor in when I'll punch out/get away from the crowd) the next day for five hours and possibly work Saturday.
Not exactly fun. But again, It's a job and I think people walking out are a bit crazy/have nothing better to do and don't need the money. I don't exactly want to lose my job with 9% unemployment in my state, which doesn't even counter the underemployed (IE part timers looking for full time).

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

Yep, because that quote is directly from the article which I apparently wrote now...

Here's the fucking context, because apparently you're too dense to get it.

-Eldergamer says not to strike unless its for something like low pay or benefits
-I reply, with a cited source, that those actually are 2 of their concerns
-You herp, derp your dumbass in apparently saying that I'm advocating all industries strike within the coming months.

What the actual Fuck? There's misconstruing, and then there's completely changing what someone says. you're about 5 miles past both of those...


So because its a quote from an article you can irresponsibly repost it as fact? If it is fact please show me the evidence that the wages earned by Walmart employees are shockingly lower then those earned by others who work in the retail industry and also show me that their health care premiums are that much more.

You won't be able to do it because it isn't a fucking fact. It's something called an opinion.

They are striking because in their opinion there wages are too low and the health care premiums are too high and I can promise you they are in line with many others that work in the retail industry.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 12:16 AM

So because its a quote from an article you can irresponsibly repost it as fact? If it is fact please show me the evidence that the wages earned by Walmart employees are shockingly lower then those earned by others who work in the retail industry and also show me that their health care premiums are that much more.

You won't be able to do it because it isn't a fucking fact. It's something called an opinion.

They are striking because in their opinion there wages are too low and the health care premiums are too high and I can promise you they are in line with many others that work in the retail industry.


You are literally all over the fucking place. I never asserted their concerns were factually based. I'm fairly certain they didn't convene a congressional inquiry to determine if their fucking wages were too low before they decided to strike. I will assert right now that it is a FACT that their OPINION is that they want better wages and benefits which, once again, was to refute the assertion that they were only striking because they had to work a holiday.

Either keep up or shut up with your ridiculous god damn straw man arguments.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:36 AM

I know it's part of my sig from Fight Club but it can never be said enough:

"Damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need."
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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:02 AM

So because its a quote from an article you can irresponsibly repost it as fact? If it is fact please show me the evidence that the wages earned by Walmart employees are shockingly lower then those earned by others who work in the retail industry and also show me that their health care premiums are that much more.

You won't be able to do it because it isn't a fucking fact. It's something called an opinion.

They are striking because in their opinion there wages are too low and the health care premiums are too high and I can promise you they are in line with many others that work in the retail industry.


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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:16 AM

I feel no sympathy for them. You have a job, be happy with that. You know what you're getting into when you sign up for Wal-Mart. Someone has to be the janitor even in a Utopia.

I work in a non profit animal shelter. We don't take holidays off, nor do we get paid anything extra to work holidays. We still have to work 8-5 on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years...whatever day it is. My dad is a doctor and I'm going to be a cop. Neither of those professions have every holiday off. If you don't like the work you are currently doing, then work harder and get a better job. Its not like Wal Mart employees are scientists or doctors. They aren't in high demand and Wal-Mart can easily replace them regardless of what their reason for striking is.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:19 AM

False equivalency ho!!!!

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 01:22 AM

I've worked thanksgiving for years and it isn't a big deal to me but their claims of wanting more wages are valid. I'm tired of the government having to provide subsidies because Wal-Mart doesn't pay their people enough.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:07 AM

Many of those industries are essential for society such as emergency workers. Retail isn't, in any fashion, an essential service. There's no reason for retail to be open on Thanksgiving, give people a day off to spend with their families.


I agree 100%:applause:, but don't forget if people weren't willing to shop on Thanksgiving stores wouldn't be open. We need to send retail the message that spending time with family on Thanksgiving is more important. You can bet your a$$ that the C.E.O's of these companies aren't working on the holidays.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 02:14 AM

if people weren't willing to shop on Thanksgiving


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:29 PM

I feel no sympathy for them. You have a job, be happy with that. You know what you're getting into when you sign up for Wal-Mart. Someone has to be the janitor even in a Utopia.

I work in a non profit animal shelter. We don't take holidays off, nor do we get paid anything extra to work holidays. We still have to work 8-5 on Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years...whatever day it is. My dad is a doctor and I'm going to be a cop. Neither of those professions have every holiday off. If you don't like the work you are currently doing, then work harder and get a better job. Its not like Wal Mart employees are scientists or doctors. They aren't in high demand and Wal-Mart can easily replace them regardless of what their reason for striking is.


You know, I disagree with your point but I at least respected it to a certain degree... That is, until you made the post about them not being scientists or doctors which absolutely reeks of elitism. They're just retail workers so why should we care? Fuck off man, you're no better than any of them or any one else for that matter.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

http://www.dailykos....t-Walmart-wages


Sorry, but quoting a blatant pro-union propaganda website only makes things more obvious about what is truly going on with all of this. This is really just another attempt at unions to try to get their footing in a company that so far has kept them out.
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