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#301 Deader2818

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:05 AM

The main problem though is a large portion of your install base will likely be people that already had a 360, and most likely already has a running live account. If they already have months of it running,what would then be the point of getting a 2 year contract?

Also, those that do have live, will likely know its not a good deal, and can get it cheaper.

#302 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:47 PM

The main problem though is a large portion of your install base will likely be people that already had a 360, and most likely already has a running live account. If they already have months of it running,what would then be the point of getting a 2 year contract?

Also, those that do have live, will likely know its not a good deal, and can get it cheaper.


I have no idea what happens, go buy a $99 Xbox and find out. Seriously though, I'm sure that MS has taken that into account. No doubt they tack your current subscription onto the end or something.

When you say "those of us" I assume you mean specifically CAG's because "most" gamers are not CAG members and "most" gamers pay full price using their credit card to pay for the subscription with auto-renewal on.

#303 Richard Kain

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

I think the contract console will work, a lot of people don't have $600 to buy a new console up front but they will pay $199 for a new Xbox with 2 year xbox live subscription. I personally think its not a bad deal if they warranty your console for the 2 year period instead of 1 year.


While Microsoft's pricing scheme for the XBox line seems like a good idea initially, they are walking on rotten ice. Ever since Playstation Plus started gaining traction, a lot of people have begun questioning the need for a subscription fee for XBox Live. Back when XBox Live was the end-all-be-all of console online gaming, it made considerably more sense to pay a premium for Microsoft's on-line service. But now on-line support and on-line play are considered default features, even for Nintendo's platforms. The XBox is now the only home console that you can't play on-line games on out of the box.

This value disparity is beginning to work against Microsoft. It's time for them to start re-evaluating XBox Live's subscription system.

We also need to hear more about the upcoming systems. At the moment they are both just big question marks. An accurate appraisal of the future of the console market requires more information.

#304 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

While Microsoft's pricing scheme for the XBox line seems like a good idea initially, they are walking on rotten ice. Ever since Playstation Plus started gaining traction, a lot of people have begun questioning the need for a subscription fee for XBox Live. Back when XBox Live was the end-all-be-all of console online gaming, it made considerably more sense to pay a premium for Microsoft's on-line service. But now on-line support and on-line play are considered default features, even for Nintendo's platforms. The XBox is now the only home console that you can't play on-line games on out of the box.

This value disparity is beginning to work against Microsoft. It's time for them to start re-evaluating XBox Live's subscription system.

We also need to hear more about the upcoming systems. At the moment they are both just big question marks. An accurate appraisal of the future of the console market requires more information.

MS's service is still a lot better. You can't do anything like this on the PSN. It's much better than getting the 2 and 4 year old around the computer to Skype with family. You can talk to them from your living room and they can see the whole room.


#305 Richard Kain

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:30 PM

MS's service is still a lot better. You can't do anything like this on the PSN. It's much better than getting the 2 and 4 year old around the computer to Skype with family. You can talk to them from your living room and they can see the whole room.


I don't think that an extra feature that requires a $100 peripheral really counts as a selling point for a subscription service. The real draw for subscribing to XBox Live continues to be the ability to play games on-line. Without the gold subscription, you can't play any XBox games' on-line multiplayer modes.

With the growth of other console's on-line offerings, and the increasing advertising taking place on the XBox dashboard, XBox Live's subscription service is becoming more and more questionable.

#306 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:36 PM

I don't think that an extra feature that requires a $100 peripheral really counts as a selling point for a subscription service. The real draw for subscribing to XBox Live continues to be the ability to play games on-line. Without the gold subscription, you can't play any XBox games' on-line multiplayer modes.

With the growth of other console's on-line offerings, and the increasing advertising taking place on the XBox dashboard, XBox Live's subscription service is becoming more and more questionable.


Eh...you don't think it counts? Okay sure. I already had a Kinect and I use the online chat service through this more often than I play online multiplayer since i dont really like playing online. I guess your opinion doesn't apply to everyone. It's not like Sony couldnt get something like this with Skype except they don't. Wait, their camera doesn't have a mic does it? I guess either they can't do it or they simply don't care to match features.

FYI: rumor has it that Sony is going to charge to play online with the PS4.

#307 theflicker

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:41 PM

Eh...you don't think it counts? Okay sure. I already had a Kinect and I use the online chat service through this more often than I play online multiplayer since i dont really like playing online. I guess your opinion doesn't apply to everyone. It's not like Sony couldnt get something like this with Skype except they don't. Wait, their camera doesn't have a mic does it? I guess either they can't do it or they simply don't care to match features.

FYI: rumor has it that Sony is going to charge to play online with the PS4.


Well, no, it doesn't count because you're describing a service that requires a peripheral. So your situation definitely doesn't apply to everyone. And the PS3 camera does have a built-in mic.

#308 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:47 PM

Well, no, it doesn't count because you're describing a service that requires a peripheral. So your situation definitely doesn't apply to everyone. And the PS3 camera does have a built-in mic.


Okay so then why doesn't Sony work something out with Skype? Until they have a service like this, they will never be as good as XBL for me.

Regardless, getting back to the original point, you guys severely underestimate the number of people that would sign up for a subsidized Xbox. I have to wonder how experienced you guys are with the average consumer.

#309 Deader2818

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 06:56 PM

You seem to be "fan boying" pretty hard.

#310 SolidSnake86

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:07 PM

you seem to be "fan boying" pretty hard.


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#311 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:54 PM

You seem to be "fan boying" pretty hard.


More like "common sensing". The general public loves subsidized products.

This is one of those things that everyone arguing with me will come out in droves next year saying they knew that the subsidized xbox would be a huge success and will refuse to admit they were arguing the opposite. Oh, it will be SOOOOOOO obvious next year, or so you will say. This year YOU are "fan boying" by arguing against something that's so fucking obvious.

#312 Richard Kain

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:02 PM

More like "common sensing". The general public loves subsidized products.


They like subsidizing when the product in question is one that they are planning on buying anyway with a service they intend to use. But no one buys a console so that they can get XBox Live. They buy the console so that they can play XBox games, and then they pay extra to play XBox games on-line. Trying to sell the XBox in a subsidized fashion is like putting the cart before the horse, and a lot of people are beginning to wonder if the cart is necessary in the first place.

And come on. No one is going to purchase an XBox, a Kinect peripheral, and then subscribe to XBox Live just so they can experience video chat with other people who have bought all those same things. There are any number of cheaper solutions available to get the same experience, especially with similar functionality being built into most cel phones and laptops as a standard feature. What you're describing is a pretty extreme fringe case.

The only reason why a subsidized system for purchasing an XBox exists is because of the XBox Live subscription requirements. If that subscription wasn't a requirement for on-line play, as is the case with all other consoles, the subsidized pricing becomes meaningless.

#313 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

They like subsidizing when the product in question is one that they are planning on buying anyway with a service they intend to use. But no one buys a console so that they can get XBox Live. They buy the console so that they can play XBox games, and then they pay extra to play XBox games on-line. Trying to sell the XBox in a subsidized fashion is like putting the cart before the horse, and a lot of people are beginning to wonder if the cart is necessary in the first place.

And come on. No one is going to purchase an XBox, a Kinect peripheral, and then subscribe to XBox Live just so they can experience video chat with other people who have bought all those same things. There are any number of cheaper solutions available to get the same experience, especially with similar functionality being built into most cel phones and laptops as a standard feature. What you're describing is a pretty extreme fringe case.

The only reason why a subsidized system for purchasing an XBox exists is because of the XBox Live subscription requirements. If that subscription wasn't a requirement for on-line play, as is the case with all other consoles, the subsidized pricing becomes meaningless.


Who are these "most people" that question everything? I honestly believe the subsidy will bea knock it out of the park home run success and if I'm wrong I'm more than willing to admit that I was wrong. Are you willing to come here and say you were wrong or are you going to claim it was obvious the whole time and you were just screwing around?

They will have a 200 dollar subsidized console under contact and they will sell MILLIONS like that.

#314 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:23 PM

Let's put it this way, drop your arguements why you hate Xbox live. I'm not arguing for those reasons. I don't care what they get for XBL VS other consoles. What you pay for with XBL isn't what will make this sell, it's the subsidized price tag. People are going to see a brand new Xbox 720 next Christmas and that they can pay 200 now and the rest in installments and they will buy it. I'm EXTREMELY confident that this will be very successful.

#315 crunchewy

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:51 PM

I love my Xbox(es - we have 2) and have Kinect, but I have never used the video chat and don't expect I ever will.
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#316 Blaster man

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:01 PM

I love my Xbox(es - we have 2) and have Kinect, but I have never used the video chat and don't expect I ever will.

Not relevant my previous comment above yours.

So if you want to start a sidebar on that fine. Do you have small children? Do your small children's grandparents live too far away to visit on a regular basis? Is it a pain in the ass to get them around the webcam for a long period of time?

#317 Deader2818

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:20 AM

Its like people can't use cell phones anymore or something, lol.

Hey, why not just get a Wii U and do that and not have to pay a service to do so? an xbox, kinect and service will cost about the same as a Wii U, if not more.

#318 Blaster man

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:47 AM

Its like people can't use cell phones anymore or something, lol.

Hey, why not just get a Wii U and do that and not have to pay a service to do so? an xbox, kinect and service will cost about the same as a Wii U, if not more.


1. People here are saying XBL is a tip off and unnecessary. The grandparents say cellphones are a rip off and unnecessary expenses. They didn't have them years ago, they don't need them now
2. How is a telephone conversation the same as a video chat in your living room?

Does the Wii U have video chat? You people think that because you have no need for any other services that no one does. If you don't need it, it's not worth it. You're wrong.

#319 Richard Kain

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:35 PM

People are going to see a brand new Xbox 720 next Christmas and that they can pay 200 now and the rest in installments and they will buy it. I'm EXTREMELY confident that this will be very successful.


Now you're just operating on pure speculation. There still haven't been any firm announcements about Microsoft's next system. It hasn't even been revealed to the public yet. The chances that it will launch in 2013 are actually pretty slim. We don't know anything about it.

I have two XBox 360s. And I recently acquired a Kinect as well. But I've never signed up for XBox Live, and do not expect that I ever will. I get my on-line multiplayer fix on my PC, not my 360.

#320 Deader2818

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:48 PM

1. People here are saying XBL is a tip off and unnecessary. The grandparents say cellphones are a rip off and unnecessary expenses. They didn't have them years ago, they don't need them now
2. How is a telephone conversation the same as a video chat in your living room?

Does the Wii U have video chat? You people think that because you have no need for any other services that no one does. If you don't need it, it's not worth it. You're wrong.


If a grandparent doesn't have a cell phone, why the hell would they have an Xbox, a Kinect, and subscription to XBLA?

And yes, Wii U has video chat.

Its not that I don't think no one needs it or not worth it, but you are touting it like its a system seller but its not.

#321 Blaster man

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 02:04 AM

Now you're just operating on pure speculation. There still haven't been any firm announcements about Microsoft's next system. It hasn't even been revealed to the public yet. The chances that it will launch in 2013 are actually pretty slim. We don't know anything about it.

I have two XBox 360s. And I recently acquired a Kinect as well. But I've never signed up for XBox Live, and do not expect that I ever will. I get my on-line multiplayer fix on my PC, not my 360.


Of course I'm speculating. No more than you are by claiming chances of a launch next year are "slim" though. My main reason for believing this is because of Arthur Gies from Polygon mentioned it on a Rebel FM podcast. I believe he has a better idea of what's coming than you do or I do.





If a grandparent doesn't have a cell phone, why the hell would they have an Xbox, a Kinect, and subscription to XBLA?

And yes, Wii U has video chat.

Its not that I don't think no one needs it or not worth it, but you are touting it like its a system seller but its not.


Don't reply to posts when you don't read posts or the comments and have no fucking clue what you're talking about. If you had watched the video your entire post wouldn't have happened. Go back and watch the video. They have a laptop. Can a Wii u do that with video chat?

As to your baseless assertion that I'm touting it like a system seller, if you had actually read my initial post, I said XBL is still better than PSN because of this feature (and others I haven't bothered mentioning since this one is important to me). I in no way said that video chat is a reason to buy an Xbox.

I would like to apologize if my post is rude. I'm tired as shit from getting up at the ass crack of morning + I'm sick.

Edited by Blaster man, 12 December 2012 - 02:14 AM.