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#1 ShockandAww

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:29 AM

I've seen the Vita listed as one of the biggest disappointments of 2012 (Game Informer, Gamasutra) and I think it's incorrect and maybe (hopefully) premature to write it off like that.

It's had some amazing games in it's first 10 months on the market:
Persona 4, Virtues Last Reward, Little Big Planet, Gravity Rush, Uncharted, and more.

Now with PS+ for Vita you can get 2 of those games (and others) "free" with your sub.

It's easily the most technically advanced handheld to date and most people that actually own one enjoy it. The Vita runs circles around the 3DS technologically.

So have the Vita's sales been disappointing? Absolutely. Is the memory card pricing outrageous? No question. If it doesn't pick up more 3rd party support is the Vita done for? Yep..

Basically what I'm saying is that I completely disagree with the Vita itself being on these disappointment lists. The Vita itself is not a disappointment imo (aside from the 3G which was clearly DOA to everyone but Sony).

It should be Sony's handling of the Vita that's been a disappointment in 2012. Had Sony dropped the price of the system and the memory cards, more people would have bought the damn thing to begin with, and they would have inevitably gotten more support.

It is Sony's stubbornness that is one of the biggest disappointments of 2012 imo. Sony needs to be called out here, not the device that they've made or the games which have so far been released for it.

I don't quite think it's too late just yet though. They will hopefully announce a couple more games sometime in the next few months, drop the price, and maybe add LBP or another bigger game to the PS+ library, and enough people will buy the thing to keep it alive and gain some more support in 2013.

On a side note, Sony's stubbornness with price does not bode well for the PS4. They need to quickly learn from their mistakes or they will die a sad death. Particularly if the next Xbox releases first which is highly likely, and who knows what Valve is coming up with..

Edit: Game Informer does say that "Sony released - in terms of functionality and graphical power - the greatest handheld ever made"...and notes some of the big releases. It just points out that nobody seems to care. I still think they should be specifically calling out Sony's poor handling of the Vita as one of the main reasons nobody cares.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:57 AM

I think you posted in the wrong section, but from what I'm seeing from future releases in Japan, I'm disappointed in the vita too. They lost some of their best titles to the 3ds like Monster Hunter and the Shin Megami Tensei series (SMT 4 is apparently coming out for the 3ds).

If sales go up for the vita, I can see them probably remaking some of the titles on 3ds right now for the vita with bonuses and that'll help steer the fans back to Sony but at the rate they're selling the Vitas right now, it seems unlikely. I mean a while back PSPs were actually doing better than the Vita.

Right now, all I'm seeing on the releases chart from Japan is a bunch of harem visual novels and not much RPGs save for Valhalla Knights 3 and Tales of Hearts R. There are a few more noticeable games but these are the ones with the larger fanbases.

It's a shame cause the Vita is such a nice piece of hardware that has potential if it only had more games on it.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:59 AM

It should be Sony's handling of the Vita that's been a disappointment in 2012.


Sure, but to the end user, "Sony's Handling of the Vita" and the Vita by itself are one and the same. They haven't done what they needed to, so the system is underwhelming.

I want to be convinced to buy one of these badly, it looks like it could be great. Wish they'd get it together.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:01 AM

Seriously? We lost out on SMT 4? The lack of JRGs in the US is the reason why I can't convince myself to buy one. I already own a PSP so I can play all the ones released on them. The Vita basically has Persona 4 (which I already played) and not much else.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:03 AM

Seriously? We lost out on SMT 4? The lack of JRGs in the US is the reason why I can't convince myself to buy one. I already own a PSP so I can play all the ones released on them. The Vita basically has Persona 4 (which I already played) and not much else.


I don't know about Persona, but the original SMT line(Nocturne) is going in the direction of the 3ds.

#6 ShockandAww

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

Dammit yep, wrong section.

And yes fair enough that the general consumer doesn't give a shit whether it's the Vita itself or Sony's handling of it. It may as well be the same thing. I guess I just wish they'd note that once you actually own one, the Vita is pretty damn nice and that this is Sony's fault specifically and not the Vita as a device.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:11 AM

Honestly, I might get a 3ds sometime in the future if the releases continue to be this bad, but right now I'm really happy with my vita even if it doesn't have many games going for it. I use it more than my iphone for surfing the web because the screen is big and it's good for watching netflix or youtube. I also have plenty of ps1 games on it and a huge backlog of ps3 games so I've got the patience.

The reason why I'm not too keen on the 3ds is because of the region lock and the 3D function doesn't really impress me. The best thing going for it right now are the selection of games and that is a huge advantage, otherwise it's pretty much just a fancier DSiXL for me.

#8 KrebStar

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:59 AM

Honestly, I think that a lot of the people who throw around the "no games" argument either aren't paying attention, or have a pretty narrow taste in games. There are some great games available for the Vita, certainly more than I would have expected from the successor to the PSP at this point. The memory card prices are absurd though, and are by far the most disappointing thing about the system. Currently, the Vita's future is pretty damn bleak, but things could still go either way. The PS3 is a fine example of that.

What am I saying? This is the internet. The Vita is a piece of shit with no games, just like the Wii and the PSP. :roll:

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:10 AM

The reason people say the Vita "has no games" is because most of the good titles are rehashes of PS3 titles. Rehashes that are much more enjoyable on the PS3 (Dualshock controller, HDTV, surround sound, etc).

If you take these rehashes away the Vita really has a select few good games in its library. A more accurate statement would be the Vita has no "unique Vita games".

The problem (for me at least when I had one) with the Vita is that at the moment it can only offer a watered down PS3 experience rather than an experience of its own.

I'm really not surprised at the lack of sales for the Vita. The PS3 is a hell of a lot better value for the money.

Even the 3DS offers more unique experiences than the Vita which is probably why it sells better despite it being the technologically inferior device.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

I love my Vita personally, can't say the same about my 3DS which mainly gets used for normal DS games unfortunately.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

The reason people say the Vita "has no games" is because most of the good titles are rehashes of PS3 titles. Rehashes that are much more enjoyable on the PS3 (Dualshock controller, HDTV, surround sound, etc).

If you take these rehashes away the Vita really has a select few good games in its library. A more accurate statement would be the Vita has no "unique Vita games".

The problem (for me at least when I had one) with the Vita is that at the moment it can only offer a watered down PS3 experience rather than an experience of its own.

Spot on. This is exactly the reason I won't be buying a Vita for a long time (if ever).

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#12 CheapAssMom

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:57 AM

All games on Vita keep getting hap hazard reviews killing hype and interest and nothing is a system seller like Mario. Sony and MSFT have lost their system exclusives this generation. Everything is multi platform or on Nintendo only. Only a very very few select top notch triple-A games, if that even, are still console exclusives (handhelds included) that make 1 console worth buying over another.

Vita being more than the price of a console doesn't help either.

By the way, I want a Vita, but I can't justify if for games that have zero interest to me. Right now, only Lumines has me interested, but I don't need another puzzler game. Wipeout and Uncharted would be a fun play, but I can live without.

There are too many good games I need to play on other platforms. Between my DS/3DS, Wii (U), and PC I'm backlogged into retirement.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 04:55 AM

All games on Vita keep getting hap hazard reviews killing hype and interest and nothing is a system seller like Mario. Sony and MSFT have lost their system exclusives this generation. Everything is multi platform or on Nintendo only. Only a very very few select top notch triple-A games, if that even, are still console exclusives (handhelds included) that make 1 console worth buying over another.

Vita being more than the price of a console doesn't help either.

By the way, I want a Vita, but I can't justify if for games that have zero interest to me. Right now, only Lumines has me interested, but I don't need another puzzler game. Wipeout and Uncharted would be a fun play, but I can live without.

There are too many good games I need to play on other platforms. Between my DS/3DS, Wii (U), and PC I'm backlogged into retirement.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:27 AM

I'll buy a Vita when they make one with a UMD port and a Memory Stick Pro Duo slot.. Or give me free digital copies of all my PSP games.

So, probably never.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:30 AM

Monster Hunter and the Shin Megami Tensei series...


LOLOLOL... seriously these are the type of people that complain about the vita having no games.....

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

It's apparent to me that with the VITA people have fucking lost their minds. The truth is the VITA is hands down the most beautiful and powerful handheld ever. The people that say there aren't any games are stupid. The people that complain it isn't a PS3 are a bunch of fucktards, let's compare the 3DS to a PS3 and see how they compare. The people that say the games are watered down ports haven't played them.

The whole point is this is a HANDHELD device, meant to be played outside the house.

Where is this magical 3DS library that everyone is talking about?

Paper Mario - Yep it's similar to the console versions
New Super Mario - Yep it's similar to the console versions
Mario Tennis - Yep it's similar to the console versions
Zelda Ocarina - Remake (I'll concede it looks great)
Starfox 64 - Remake
Kid Icarus - Could have been better on a console due to the control scheme
Resident Evil Revelations - My favorite game thus far and an original game
Super Mario 3D Land - Perfection and made me want the 3D on at all times
Animal Crossing -Yep it's similar to the console versions

eShop has some decent titles - Pushmo, Mutant Mudds, etc.

I haven't seen too many games to be looking forward to in the 3DS lineup either. Castlevania is on my list right now.

The PSP got a bad wrap but had a lot of really good games and it seems as though the VITA is falling into that as well. I do think it is cost and lack of advertising.

I think everyone forgets the VITA has a massive library already. Vita games, PSP games, PS Minis, PSone, and PS mobile games. The 3DS has nothing that can match the value of PS+.

I personally loved Uncharted on the VITA. I kept thinking is this really on a handheld?

Everyone forgets about the PSN titles Escape Plan, Sound Shapes, Mutant Blobs etc.

I'm just tired of hearing the same old crap with the VITA I love mine and the same things that people say about the VITA can be said for the 3DS (ports, remakes, not as good as console versions etc.).

EDIT: The other thing about the VITA is the features that no one talks about, the one in particular for me is how it handles it's sleep function. The ability to stop a game anywhere and put the system to sleep (without it killing the battery) has been a godsend.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

^ Yeah but the Vita doesn't have "Dragon Warrior Tensei Hunter Pikachu Crossing Quest"

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

The Vita just got 10X more awesome due to the newly announced cross controller feature which mimics the Wii U.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

I'll buy a Vita when they make one with a UMD port and a Memory Stick Pro Duo slot.. Or give me free digital copies of all my PSP games.

So, probably never.


Why can't you just play PSP games on your PSP?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

I don't understand how a handheld that's been out less than a year and is just now going through it's first holiday season can be considered a disappointment.

My only real gripes with Sony when it comes to the Vita is that they don't seem to be getting after enough third-party developers to really develop AAA games for the system. Other than Soul Sacrifice and Guacamelee, almost every Vita game I have on my radar next year is a first-party title.

And how is the 3DS not a disappointment when the only difference between it and its previous iteration is the gimmicky as Fuck 3D element?

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 06:50 PM

I don't understand how a handheld that's been out less than a year and is just now going through it's first holiday season can be considered a disappointment.

My only real gripes with Sony when it comes to the Vita is that they don't seem to be getting after enough third-party developers to really develop AAA games for the system. Other than Soul Sacrifice and Guacamelee, almost every Vita game I have on my radar next year is a first-party title.

And how is the 3DS not a disappointment when the only difference between it and its previous iteration is the gimmicky as Fuck 3D element?



I'm with you. I tend to stay out of these topics. 3DS was a "failure" for it's first year, and now it's somehow not despite having damned near as many ports and remakes as the PSV. PSP was a "failure" even longer. Give the shit time.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

Why can't you just play PSP games on your PSP?


I can. Giving me no incentive at all to upgrade to a Vita. I don't wanna have to carry around both a PSP and a Vita if I decide I wanna play a PSP game.

On the other hand, Nintendo allows me to use my 3DS to play DS games, so I don't have to carry both around, so I bought one.

As far as I'm concerned, the Vita is a slap in the face to anybody who supported the original PSP.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

I can. Giving me no incentive at all to upgrade to a Vita. I don't wanna have to carry around both a PSP and a Vita if I decide I wanna play a PSP game.

On the other hand, Nintendo allows me to use my 3DS to play DS games, so I don't have to carry both around, so I bought one.

As far as I'm concerned, the Vita is a slap in the face to anybody who supported the original PSP.

Your entire argument is irrational. If the only incentive you could find in buying a Vita was that you could play your PSP games on it, why even buy a Vita?

The Vita and PSP are two different handhelds and Sony treats them as such. While the PSP is pretty much dead here in the states, it's still widely popular in Japan and they make a lot of money off of it.

Sony made the Vita so that it was without a doubt superior to it's predecessor, the PSP. Nintendo on the other hand, didn't create the 3DS with the same thing in mind. They wanted to capitalize on the 3D fad. With little to actually differentiate between 3DS and DS games other than the 3D gimmick, of course they were going to add DS support to their new handheld.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:05 PM

Your entire argument is irrational. If the only incentive you could find in buying a Vita was that you could play your PSP games on it, why even buy a Vita?


It's not the only incentive I could find in buying a Vita, but I cannot justify buying one until the problem is remedied.

I don't have to carry around my DS AND 3DS to play my games for both systems. For the PSP and Vita, I would have to, and I don't feel that's acceptable.

Sony might think that it is, and that's fine, but they won't be getting my money because of it.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

I don't understand how a handheld that's been out less than a year and is just now going through it's first holiday season can be considered a disappointment.

My only real gripes with Sony when it comes to the Vita is that they don't seem to be getting after enough third-party developers to really develop AAA games for the system. Other than Soul Sacrifice and Guacamelee, almost every Vita game I have on my radar next year is a first-party title.

And how is the 3DS not a disappointment when the only difference between it and its previous iteration is the gimmicky as Fuck 3D element?


This - I've been most confused by how soooo many people seem to be rooting for the Vita to fail. It crosses fanboy boundries. It's bizarre. I'm not even sure Sony's handling has been disappointing - I'm just not sure what people were expecting. The market for something like the Vita isn't well defined - a high end console-esque portable in a time when the world is saturated with handheld devices that are good enough for most people and where the DS has dominated the market otherwise.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Vita figures in to the future plans of the PS4 and probably not trivially. All the interesting features we've seen so far (remote play w/ remote power on over wifi, cross controller, all digital, single account tie in, the new store) feels like they're testing out features for the next round of consoles to see how they'll work and to make sure they can keep feature parity with SmartGlass/Wii-U. It's the Wiimote/Kinect/Move thing all over again.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:00 PM

Sony didn't learn their lesson from the $600 PS3 launch. The 3G Vita was a mistake, and the price of the Wifi version was more than people are willing to spend on a handheld -- Nintendo realized this and dropped the price of the 3DS within months of launch. I picked a Vita up used, then resold and grabbed the Amazon BF deal because I was enjoying it. The cost of entry is just too damn high. And the memory cards -- they're already killing us on the download prices ($40 for LBP vs $20 for a cart this week) that rarely go on sale or see permanent price drops, they could stand to slash the memory costs in half and probably still turn a profit on them. The addition of Plus adds even more incentive to have a big memory card that it honestly feels like a no-brainer to me.

I'm enjoying my Vita, but there is no way I'd have bought the thing at $250 with no PS Plus and no memory card packed in. We've just started to see the first holiday bundles that come with a game and a memory card (and in some cases Plus), hopefully these will help turn things around and keep the games coming.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:16 AM

And the games don't come with manuals either.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:19 PM

Your entire argument is irrational. If the only incentive you could find in buying a Vita was that you could play your PSP games on it, why even buy a Vita?

The Vita and PSP are two different handhelds and Sony treats them as such. While the PSP is pretty much dead here in the states, it's still widely popular in Japan and they make a lot of money off of it.

Sony made the Vita so that it was without a doubt superior to it's predecessor, the PSP. Nintendo on the other hand, didn't create the 3DS with the same thing in mind. They wanted to capitalize on the 3D fad. With little to actually differentiate between 3DS and DS games other than the 3D gimmick, of course they were going to add DS support to their new handheld.


I'm not on board with the 'slap in the face' part, but it's actually a valid point. Backwards compatibility has become important, mainly so that a system will have a decent library even while it goes through it's first few months (years?) of growing pains in terms of churning out software. My Vita has gone for long periods of time without use. Why? I've played all of the current Vita software I'm interested in, so it sits there. Had I been able to pop UMDs in, I likely would have used it a lot more during the same timeframe.

Oh, and are we seriously still trotting out the old 'THE ONLY THING THE 3DS HAS OVER THE DS IS 3D!' thing? By all measures, it's a superior system to the DS, so I genuinely don't understand the difference you're pointing out here. Both companies made a technologically superior console to their predecessors. That's not really debatable.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:09 PM

I'm not on board with the 'slap in the face' part, but it's actually a valid point. Backwards compatibility has become important, mainly so that a system will have a decent library even while it goes through it's first few months (years?) of growing pains in terms of churning out software. My Vita has gone for long periods of time without use. Why? I've played all of the current Vita software I'm interested in, so it sits there. Had I been able to pop UMDs in, I likely would have used it a lot more during the same timeframe.

Oh, and are we seriously still trotting out the old 'THE ONLY THING THE 3DS HAS OVER THE DS IS 3D!' thing? By all measures, it's a superior system to the DS, so I genuinely don't understand the difference you're pointing out here. Both companies made a technologically superior console to their predecessors. That's not really debatable.

I'm not saying backwards compatibility isn't a valid point, but there are so many more valid reasons as to why Sony wouldn't include a UMD drive on their new portable. You have costs, the fact that PSP games can be digitally emulated, and then there's what I mentioned earlier, Sony wants the PSP and Vita to be recognized as two separate entities. I don't think I've gone longer than a week without playing my Vita since I got it. Just because there isn't software that interests you, doesn't mean good software doesn't exist.

You can call it as old as you like, it also happens to be a very relevant point. The 3DS is only marginally superior to it's predecessor and it's ONLY discernible difference is the 3D feature. Am I wrong in this? Even physically they look identical with the only the circle pad on the 3DS to distinguish them. Comparing the PSP to the Vita on the other hand is like comparing night and day. The point I was making was not in that both handhelds weren't superior to the last, it was that Nintendo didn't take as big a leap as Sony did in one generation to the next.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:36 PM

I think expecting Sony to continue to support a dead format like UMD is kinda silly. It probably would have been nice to have Sony figure out some way to transfer your UMDs to digital copies, but once Sony decided that UMD was the wrong way to go for the future, that was pretty much the end of it.

And no, the 3DS wasn't a game-changer, but it didn't need to be. The DS brand is well established and people who buy into it know what they are getting. Sony is still trying to find the audience for their portable game systems, and I'm not sure that "having a PS3 in your pocket" is what people are looking for. Certainly, they don't have the killer app as of yet.
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