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#31 Curufinwe

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 01:34 PM

Saw some headline that German law is responsible for restrictions on "mature" content in Europe Nintendo e-shop.


That's right.

http://www.eurogamer...op-restrictions

“At Nintendo we always aim to provide a safe gaming experience for fans of all ages and ensure that we comply with applicable legal age restriction requirements across Europe,” a Nintendo spokesperson told Eurogamer.

“Legal age restriction requirements vary across a number of European countries. Since Nintendo of Europe is based in Germany, Nintendo eShop is complying with German youth protection regulation which therefore applies to all our European markets. Under German law, content rated 18+ must be made available only at night.

“Therefore the accessibility of 18+ content in Nintendo eShop is limited to [USK: 22:00 UTC until 4:00 UTC] [PEGI: 23:00 UTC until 3:00 UTC].”


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:39 PM

Please tell me you pay for a lawn service and a maid.


I'm fairly sure I've said that I pay for lawn service and cleaning service on the CAGcast before.
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#33 thakingrocka

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:48 PM

This episode was the best in a while. There was nothing special to make it different, but there were just more great moments for funny lines. From the question of a Kurt Cobain hologram to Wombat's clarification on labor laws, the moments just kept rolling along.


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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:34 PM

A quick note on the subject of Goozex's demise and Cheapy's assessment that "If Goozex couldn't do it, no one can".

I've used Goozex for 5 years or so (hundreds of trades) and I've seen it go from a viable trading platform beneficial for everyone involved (profitable for operators, money saving for users), to a complete disaster due to mismanagement and neglect in the last year and a half.

I can't say what was going on behind the scenes (though you can read all about the financial history here: http://www.otcmarket...ilingID=8961452 ), but from a user perspective I've seen an almost fanatically dedicated user base (including myself) get disappointed and pushed away time and again by vague announcements of progress and what appear to be outright fabrications of improvements "in the works". Goozex missed every self-imposed deadline they set for their users for the past year. Customer service while never fast became almost non-existent in the last 6 months.

There are no games to be had outside of junk no one wants and the remaining active users appear to be insane / delusional (I’ve had no luck reasoning with them). The queues for current generation games are hundreds of users long while 1 game a quarter is traded (I'm near the front of many of these queues). New users have NO CHANCE of receiving anything of interest if they trade out a new game for some Goozex cash after they're duped by the Goozex front page promises. I was a huge advocate of Goozex in the past, but it's to a point where I'd feel guilty receiving anything from a new user who doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.

Goozex squandered the good will of their dedicated users. That's what killed Goozex. The newly minted competitors (99Gamers.com and VGFive.com) are off to a running start. Cheapy may be right that there's not a lot of money in it, but I think there's a good chance this model could stay profitable with the right management team as long as physical media is around... because there a lot of Cheap Ass Gamers who want to play a lot of games, but don't want to pay $60 for them all.

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 09:51 PM

Glad to hear that Arrow is still pleasing Wombat and Cheapy. It's really a guilty pleasure show. In no way is that show actually great but it's cool to see DC villains and heroes making brief appearances each week.

I know people are ragging on Shipwreck for paying to have his TV mounted but if I could afford to do it I'd rather put the handling of expensive electronics in the hands of professionals too. My biggest gripe with Best Buy's "service" is that you're paying triple the price for the mount itself but other than that, I'd love to have that taken care of for me. It's the same reason people hire movers or take their cars to get oil changes. No one wants to do that stuff if you don't have to.

Fun Fact: the limited commercial interruption guy from hulu also plays Lee in The Walking Dead: The Game.


That's hilarious. I never would have put those two voices together.
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#36 apathylad

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:08 AM

That Karaoke segment was hilarious. You should cut that conversation and paste it on YouTube, Cheapy. I have a feeling a lot of people don't know that's how it works.


Also - man, Shipwreck must be loaded. I would never pay Geek Squad to set up a TV for me.

Edited by apathylad, 16 December 2012 - 02:47 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:44 PM

I can't believe anyone would think the Karoke thing was not real time. Every time I saw an article it never said it would not be in real time. It is a rental plan why would it be different than the movies they have been selling for 5-6 years?

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#38 Wombat

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:43 PM

I can't believe anyone would think the Karoke thing was not real time. Every time I saw an article it never said it would not be in real time. It is a rental plan why would it be different than the movies they have been selling for 5-6 years?


I never saw an article that said it would be real time. I think the assumption that it would be like renting time in a Karaoke bar, not like renting a movie. Having 24 hours to watch a 2 hour movie with finite viewing time is in no comparable to playing a Karaoke game. Especially with the pay model they created. Why would anyone buy 24 hours of realtime when you just buy the 2 hours you will need. I have never seen a movie rental service with a rent by the hour plan.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:45 PM

That Karaoke segment was hilarious. You should cut that conversation and paste it on YouTube, Cheapy. I have a feeling a lot of people don't know that's how it works.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

I never saw an article that said it would be real time. I think the assumption that it would be like renting time in a Karaoke bar, not like renting a movie. Having 24 hours to watch a 2 hour movie with finite viewing time is in no comparable to playing a Karaoke game. Especially with the pay model they created. Why would anyone buy 24 hours of realtime when you just buy the 2 hours you will need. I have never seen a movie rental service with a rent by the hour plan.


I imagine the only reason to offer 24 hours of Karaoke is to make money on unsuspecting purchasers. But at the same time, I think it's unrealistic to think that the program would operate on game time. If that were the case, everyone would just buy 24 hours (since it's the best value) and play sparingly for a few weeks and never return to the game again. At the very least the game should be straightforward with how the renting process works, I will agree with that.
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#41 spid

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 06:14 PM

I never saw an article that said it would be real time. I think the assumption that it would be like renting time in a Karaoke bar, not like renting a movie. Having 24 hours to watch a 2 hour movie with finite viewing time is in no comparable to playing a Karaoke game. Especially with the pay model they created. Why would anyone buy 24 hours of realtime when you just buy the 2 hours you will need. I have never seen a movie rental service with a rent by the hour plan.


The same reason you would buy 2 hours is the same reason you would buy 24 hours. You are having people over for that amount of time and want to have Karokee available to them during that time frame. This is especially true during the holiday season.

The rental model works the same way across movies and PPVs. If you are going to make an assumption you don't make the assumption that is the complete opposite of everything else that goes on in the service. You make the assumption it is going to follow the consecutive hour model like everything else.

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

Lol, well, I got owned. But I'm fine with that, since I was mentioned! Although I would respond to your response with saying that "would like to" doesn't mean it will. But, yeah, I got told.

(Don't have anything to say about this episode yet since I've been busy and only just started it, but I just had to comment since I was mentioned. May edit later with an actual comment.)

#43 Wombat

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:09 PM

The same reason you would buy 2 hours is the same reason you would buy 24 hours. You are having people over for that amount of time and want to have Karokee available to them during that time frame. This is especially true during the holiday season.

The rental model works the same way across movies and PPVs. If you are going to make an assumption you don't make the assumption that is the complete opposite of everything else that goes on in the service. You make the assumption it is going to follow the consecutive hour model like everything else.


But the movie rental/ ppv model is so vastly different. There is no reason to compare them to this game service. A monthly mmo service is more similar. you are paying for game time, not a rental of a movie. Maybe if you were renting a song, you would have a point, but you are not. You are buying time, movie rental services do not work that way.

#44 spid

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

But the movie rental/ ppv model is so vastly different. There is no reason to compare them to this game service. A monthly mmo service is more similar. you are paying for game time, not a rental of a movie. Maybe if you were renting a song, you would have a point, but you are not. You are buying time, movie rental services do not work that way.


But you are not buying time your renting access to the channel so it is treated just like any other rental on the service. To assume this rental is different from anything else on the service is the fault of the user not Microsoft.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 01:21 AM

I'll probably get shit but a pet peeve is kids on podcasts. You can never understand them as well as the parent and it just grinds everything to a halt.

I say this as a parent of two and a podcaster for the last 6 years.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 04:44 AM

Regarding one-sided sports games: there was a high school in my district that was a "special" school for kids with disabilities such as kids that were deaf. They had a football team that we played every year, it was the one guaranteed win of the year where the coach would have to yell at our team to play soft so that the deaf team at least didn't go home crying.

The way they knew when a play started was with a signal light at the sideline, the problem of course being that our team could see the light as well which made shutting down all their plays trivial. They also had a female quarterback that spent most of the game on her back.

The best part was we had a rutty natural grass field and the game against them usually occurred on a rainy day making for a lot of getting knocked and slid around in the mud. We ran over 100 points one year, good times.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 06:24 AM

This week's CAGcast ruined my once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to join the mile-high club. I was sitting next to an extremely hot girl on the plane while listening to the CAGcast (a man has to have his priorities), and when Cheapy started getting pissed at karaoke, I nearly lost it and couldn't stop giggling.

Cheapy, you owe me one after what you just cost me.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:02 PM

Cheapy's "Dude, it's bullshit!!!" deserves to be high on the list in the best of 2012....waaayy to funny! Cheapy just coming back on mic with that was made it priceless!

Ironic that the engineer had a tv/mount installed. Also has a maid...a landscaper...nothing cheap about that gamer! I'm jeleous!! :)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:50 PM

The funniest thing I heard from the show was Cheapy's reaction to his 10 hours of karaoke being gone. I don't think I've ever heard him curse as much as he did then. I almost crashed my car I was laughing so hard!

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:17 PM

Great show guys. Cheapy, loved the rant on the Karaoke game. It was hilarious but spot on. Good lookin' out for the little guy.



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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:14 AM

I'll probably get shit but a pet peeve is kids on podcasts. You can never understand them as well as the parent and it just grinds everything to a halt.

I say this as a parent of two and a podcaster for the last 6 years.


I guess I'm the opposite. I thought it was cute. Things like that are like little insights into the lives of these guys and I really enjoy them - it makes it more personal. I guess some people don't go for that kind of thing, though, like when some CAGs were tired of hearing all the Fitbit talk. To each his own. Great show, guys.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:21 PM

You guys complain about the VITA and how it's too pricey yet you want to spend $200 on a Neo Geo retro re-release system which games were only popular back in the day because they looked better than anything else at the time? Shame on you guys.

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#53 trip1eX

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:54 PM

I'm fairly sure I've said that I pay for lawn service and cleaning service on the CAGcast before.



lol. I will take that as a yes. And at least your priorities are straight.


Anyway it just didn't sound like you realized how straightforward hanging your tv on the wall is in a newer home with drywall. If you checked the metacritic score for this project for the layman - cross indexed it with paying Geeksquad $270- you'd get a 97 score. Meaning..... go for it. AT least once.

The score drops off precipitously for those that have a personal assistant.

Edited by trip1eX, 18 December 2012 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

A quick note on the subject of Goozex's demise and Cheapy's assessment that "If Goozex couldn't do it, no one can".

I've used Goozex for 5 years or so (hundreds of trades) and I've seen it go from a viable trading platform beneficial for everyone involved (profitable for operators, money saving for users), to a complete disaster due to mismanagement and neglect in the last year and a half.

I can't say what was going on behind the scenes (though you can read all about the financial history here: http://www.otcmarket...ilingID=8961452 ), but from a user perspective I've seen an almost fanatically dedicated user base (including myself) get disappointed and pushed away time and again by vague announcements of progress and what appear to be outright fabrications of improvements "in the works". Goozex missed every self-imposed deadline they set for their users for the past year. Customer service while never fast became almost non-existent in the last 6 months.

There are no games to be had outside of junk no one wants and the remaining active users appear to be insane / delusional (I’ve had no luck reasoning with them). The queues for current generation games are hundreds of users long while 1 game a quarter is traded (I'm near the front of many of these queues). New users have NO CHANCE of receiving anything of interest if they trade out a new game for some Goozex cash after they're duped by the Goozex front page promises. I was a huge advocate of Goozex in the past, but it's to a point where I'd feel guilty receiving anything from a new user who doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.

Goozex squandered the good will of their dedicated users. That's what killed Goozex. The newly minted competitors (99Gamers.com and VGFive.com) are off to a running start. Cheapy may be right that there's not a lot of money in it, but I think there's a good chance this model could stay profitable with the right management team as long as physical media is around... because there a lot of Cheap Ass Gamers who want to play a lot of games, but don't want to pay $60 for them all.


Goozex would have had a better chance if they just became a middleman for videogame transactions and not done this whole point system thing.

There's room (or so it seems) for a site where you buy/sell vidgames without the high fees of an Amazon or Ebay. AT least until Amazon or Ebay crushed you by lowering their fees.

A sort of craigslist except with strict accounts attached to credit cards and seller feedback.

And then an education of buyers to buy from reputable sellers.

And an education/requirement of sellers on how to list their product. It would be pinterest-style. A cover picture and then placeholder underneath for front/back disc and back of cover and picture of manual. That's it.

Everything sent first class.

Of course once that was going good then digital distribution would come and wipe you out.

But stop this token nonsense.

And I would dump all responsibility on the buyers and sellers as much as possible if possible.

I would also consider having a one-time membership fee of $60 or the cost of a game. Insurance against disputes. Cancel your account and get your money back in full with 30-60 days.

Edited by trip1eX, 18 December 2012 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

Hello! Cheapy,

I am glad to hear that you are going to Hong Kong for vacation. I was born and raised in Hong Kong. Although I haven't visit Hong Kong for about 12 years, I missed my childhood there. The present Hong Kong might not be the British Colony Hong Kong. But I think it's a great place for vacation and shopping.

Can you talk about your trip in Hong Kong when you're back?


We went to the steakhouse. Had the biggest steak ever!!! The size of 2 Maine lobsters. After I sht my pants. I had to pull sht out of my shoes.

Grandma was along with us luckily and was babysitting Tai when the brown came around.

And thankfully Mrs Cheapie had a cold and had lost her sense of smell. We were only 12 blocks from our Chinese love hotel when this happened. The love hotels in China? Alot more sadistic than in Japan. Barbed wire bed railings. I holed up in the bathroom with my suitcase for 3 hrs cleaning myself up and shredding my clothese with a nail clippers so I could flush them down the toilet without a trace.

....or so I imagine how it might go down for CheapieD (....off the top of my head.) :D Bring back any childhood memories?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:10 PM

I love Wombat but.... He is such a Jew.

His daughter talked about her presents and seemed to like them a lot and he had to comment and let everyone know that she only talked about the cheapest presents. He also had to drop hints about wanting the Neo Geo thing(which actually looks like it's going to suck, read up on it before buying it) and even gave a back up present idea with the cheap Midway game collection. I just kept hearing, money money money, give me give me give me. God forbid someone mention free t-shirt, of course he wants it and would most certainly wear it. We need a contest, send Wombat the dumbest free t-shirt and then see if he wears it.

Wombat is awesome but dude, calm down and say no to a free t-shirt once just to see how good it feels to be better than something free.

Oh and, did Wombat ever re-pay Shipwreck for the stuff they bought on BF? I remember Ship got Wombat a few things that totaled a little more, even if it's a couple bucks I bet there was never any settling of that debt.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:11 PM

Wombat, very cute to hear from your daughter on the podcast. Keep up the good work!

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 09:57 PM

I love Wombat but.... He is such a Jew.

His daughter talked about her presents and seemed to like them a lot and he had to comment and let everyone know that she only talked about the cheapest presents. He also had to drop hints about wanting the Neo Geo thing(which actually looks like it's going to suck, read up on it before buying it) and even gave a back up present idea with the cheap Midway game collection. I just kept hearing, money money money, give me give me give me. God forbid someone mention free t-shirt, of course he wants it and would most certainly wear it. We need a contest, send Wombat the dumbest free t-shirt and then see if he wears it.

Wombat is awesome but dude, calm down and say no to a free t-shirt once just to see how good it feels to be better than something free.

Oh and, did Wombat ever re-pay Shipwreck for the stuff they bought on BF? I remember Ship got Wombat a few things that totaled a little more, even if it's a couple bucks I bet there was never any settling of that debt.


Wait, what? I bought my child expensive gifts, and I don't want relatives to buy me a $200 item, instead I tell them about something that costs 7 times less & somehow that makes me cheap & greedy?

I think you are just an anti-semite.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:15 PM

Wait, what? I bought my child expensive gifts, and I don't want relatives to buy me a $200 item, instead I tell them about something that costs 7 times less & somehow that makes me cheap & greedy?

I think you are just an anti-semite.


I have nothing against Jewish people.

You just to me, came off pretty bad in that last episode bringing up costs, free stuff, making a point to announce you bought your daughter expensive stuff too not just the stuff she talked about. It was cute that she was listing the stuff she got and was happy with it, the comment about her only mentioning the cheap stuff was just weird to me. Any mention of free t-shirt certainly perks your ears up also.

Again, I love ya Wombat and have defended you in the past in the comments when I thought Cheapy was picking on you.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 10:24 PM

I have nothing against Jewish people.

You just to me, came off pretty bad in that last episode bringing up costs, free stuff, making a point to announce you bought your daughter expensive stuff too not just the stuff she talked about. It was cute that she was listing the stuff she got and was happy with it, the comment about her only mentioning the cheap stuff was just weird to me. Any mention of free t-shirt certainly perks your ears up also.

Again, I love ya Wombat and have defended you in the past in the comments when I thought Cheapy was picking on you.


You're just being silly. He was only pointing out how she talked about the cheap presents and didn't even mention the more expensive ones. Just like if you bought your child an expensive item, only to have them have more fun with the box it came in.

You're seriously over-thinking this, dude... It was funny.

The shirt thing is just a running joke about how Wombat is at E3. I have to agree, you sound a little anti-semitic.

The articles I read seem to conjure up these images of Capcom executives sitting in a dark room with a cauldron and cackling about how no one will be able to buy this game used.


Do you really think I could start a fast food restaurant called McDonaldz and use the golden arches as my logo and get away with it?

 

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