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#14461 Sir_Fragalot

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:51 AM

I like the idea that any developer can have a buy on Steam button. What it should be though is you as a developer should need to apply for a development key that will allow your games to be sold on Steam. (which will cost some amount to basically deter just putting absolute crap). If you don't follow x rules, you are banned from publishing for Steam.

Steam should have a separate marketplace for this. Kinda like a buy at your own risk type of thing. Then have the normal approval process for games to get on the main storefront.

Then if a game does really well on the non approved side, it's easier for Steam to just say ok your a game on the main storefront because obliviously people bought it and liked it.
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#14462 MrshllJcb

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

I know its not the greatest game, and it has a lot of faults, but has anyone who bashes on War Z incessantly actually played it at all? While it may not be an original concept by any stretch and its crappy that they directly lifted assets from another one of their games but its really not that bad of a game (especially if you are itching for something DayZ like, but you dont really like DayZ). It seems like its the popular thing to do to bash on it, without actually experiencing it.

And I'm no fanboy, I know there are graphics bugs, sound issue (crappy sounds, plus sound bugs), rampant hacking and its a complete rip off of Day Z, I just find it pretty fun to play here and there with a buddy or two. I think a big part of it is that the lead developer Sergey or whatever his name is seems like a giant douche who cant keep his foot out of his mouth, but other than that I think I've gotten my $15 worth

Also Seraphym thanks for the Shift code, I havent managed to get any before this somehow

#14463 Cheaplikeafox OS X

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:00 AM

I like the idea that any developer can have a buy on Steam button. What it should be though is you as a developer should need to apply for a development key that will allow your games to be sold on Steam. (which will cost some amount to basically deter just putting absolute crap). If you don't follow x rules, you are banned from publishing for Steam.

Steam should have a separate marketplace for this. Kinda like a buy at your own risk type of thing. Then have the normal approval process for games to get on the main storefront.

Then if a game does really well on the non approved side, it's easier for Steam to just say ok your a game on the main storefront because obliviously people bought it and liked it.


This is likely the way they are going, sort of how Amazon handles their Marketplace with all these secondary sellers. You have to hit certain metrics for customer feedback, on time delivery, response to CS complaints, etc. And if you fall too low you get warned and eventually banned from the marketplace. I assume they would do the same. Too many refund claims/CSR issue and said Dev or Seller gets yanked from the store.

I know its not the greatest game, and it has a lot of faults, but has anyone who bashes on War Z incessantly actually played it at all? While it may not be an original concept by any stretch and its crappy that they directly lifted assets from another one of their games but its really not that bad of a game (especially if you are itching for something DayZ like, but you dont really like DayZ). It seems like its the popular thing to do to bash on it, without actually experiencing it.

And I'm no fanboy, I know there are graphics bugs, sound issue (crappy sounds, plus sound bugs), rampant hacking and its a complete rip off of Day Z, I just find it pretty fun to play here and there with a buddy or two. I think a big part of it is that the lead developer Sergey or whatever his name is seems like a giant douche who cant keep his foot out of his mouth, but other than that I think I've gotten my $15 worth

Also Seraphym thanks for the Shift code, I havent managed to get any before this somehow


Most people haven't played it. I own it too and I agree with you. It's fun for what it is, but the bashing is just the popular thing to do based on misinformation and the fact the dev is a giant douche.

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#14464 Blade

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:18 AM

Isn't that, like, the definition a good business move?


The part you highlighted is me disagreeing with the business move; they'll become the third-party seller for nearly every PC game in the future, which won't be good for competition. It's just a good move for them.
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#14465 Eldredpe

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 02:20 AM

The part you highlighted is me disagreeing with the business move; they'll become the third-party seller for nearly every PC game in the future, which won't be good for competition. It's just a good move for them.


I get what you're saying now.

The way you originally worded it was just a little confusing.

#14466 gilby

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:06 AM

Like Yahtzee.


Indeed, like Yahtzee. The problem with Yahtzee isn't the lack of decisions to be made, but that the amount of time the dice rolling takes compared to the amount of weight your decisions carry is out of balance, with no sort of theme or chrome to carry the game through.

#14467 Preedatore

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 03:37 AM

Also Seraphym thanks for the Shift code, I havent managed to get any before this somehow


This site posts new shift codes and also lists all the still active codes. A new player can get a good amount of keys to start just on these active codes.

http://orcz.com/Bord...s_2:_Golden_Key

#14468 travathian

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:03 AM

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you are wrong, you are entirely wrong. We are talking about the same thing, but you are completely off base and wrong about it.

If Apple started selling steel wool boxed in an Iphone 5 box, legally you would have to sue Apple, and not best buy, for that. Now Best Buy might have their own return policy covering that or they might CHOOSE to just issue refunds and handle the issue directly with Apple, but legally they could tell you "Not our problem, take it up with Apple."


Nope. This depends on what state you live in and what their consumer protection laws consist of.

#14469 Seraphym

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:07 AM

This site posts new shift codes and also lists all the still active codes. A new player can get a good amount of keys to start just on these active codes.

http://orcz.com/Bord...s_2:_Golden_Key


Twitter works too.

Here's another Shift code b/c BL2 won Action Game of the Year at the DICE awards!! W3CTB-HXR5W-S56B3-TTB33-SXTXF

#14470 MrshllJcb

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:07 AM

This site posts new shift codes and also lists all the still active codes. A new player can get a good amount of keys to start just on these active codes.

http://orcz.com/Bord...s_2:_Golden_Key


Nice, thanks a ton! I'm not really that new of a player, but for some reason hadnt put an effort into acquiring the keys before. This helped by putting them all in one place and now I have a bunch.

Just saw that you posted another Seraphym, thanks again for that too!

#14471 Dreamweaver7

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:25 AM

iPhone is the land of fantastic geek tier board game adaptations. In fact they're about the only non terrible games on the system.

Steam? Not so much. All we really have is Ticket To Ride, Spectromancer, and a couple of other weak sauce CCG wannabes. Magic DotP counts I suppose. Nothing neckbeard enough. Twilight Struggle PC ain't coming to steem. GG's snazzy Carcassonne appears to be orphaned entirely from support so doubtful it will get far beyond GG


QFT. I have all of the Reiner Knizia games on iOS. I suppose that many of the designer Eurogames don't really merit a full blown Steam/PC version simply because the graphics and computing power required are comfortably provided for by a modern smartphone or tablet. With all of the iOS/Android conversion we're seeing though, hopefully some of them will make the leap, possibly with global MP including the iOS/Android players.

Going through the boardgamegeek top 100 though, really slim pickings on PC.

#14472 supershammy

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:29 AM

I know its not the greatest game, and it has a lot of faults, but has anyone who bashes on War Z incessantly actually played it at all? While it may not be an original concept by any stretch and its crappy that they directly lifted assets from another one of their games but its really not that bad of a game (especially if you are itching for something DayZ like, but you dont really like DayZ). It seems like its the popular thing to do to bash on it, without actually experiencing it.

And I'm no fanboy, I know there are graphics bugs, sound issue (crappy sounds, plus sound bugs), rampant hacking and its a complete rip off of Day Z, I just find it pretty fun to play here and there with a buddy or two. I think a big part of it is that the lead developer Sergey or whatever his name is seems like a giant douche who cant keep his foot out of his mouth, but other than that I think I've gotten my $15 worth


I watched an hour-long single-play gameplay video of someone trying to play it, during the span of which the player died from falling 6 feet with a full health bar, had to delete their character to start a new game, died on spawn this time because a fellow new player spawned exactly next to them and their character model didn't load (thereby making them invisible) until after they had beaten the player to death, had to delete the character to start a new game, managed to escape the spawn area and wandered for 10 minutes before finding a residential area that (unlike Day Z) had literally zero loot in it, died at the hands of the zombies in that area after spending a great deal of time meleeing the same zombie in the head to no avail, deleted their character to start a new game, made it to a military base, navigated the zombies, seemed to enjoy this part until they discovered that this area also had no loot at all, and at this point their character was stuck in space and they had to quit.

The War Z, at least when it launched, was a horrible piece of shit game, and I don't need to have had my hands on the mouse and keyboard to know that. Note that I've also played Day Z for at least 10 hours with friends and alone, and ultimately stopped playing it because it was too buggy in spite of its incredible concept which was compelling enough for me to want to push through the bugs to experience it. I'm not a fanboy who is holding Day Z on this pedestal (although, in my opinion, its concept certainly deserves a pedestal), and although I am disgusted by the devs of The War Z for pretty much everything they have done with this game (including 'conceptualizing' it in the first place), I, like many people, can just take the word of those who played it (critics included) in knowing it is a bad game at its core.

Day Z is a clumsy, clumsy game because of the very complicated Arma II engine. That is easily its greatest core gameplay flaw besides the bugs and hacking. I am sure The War Z controls much more simply than Day Z, and for that alone I'm sure lots of people see both games and say "they both have the same amount of bugs, but War Z controls better". That's totally fair, but you don't have to pay for Day Z because it is a self-professed mod in alpha. I mean, effectively as a player you have to pay for the game on which the mod is based, but they're not charging for the Day Z experience; however, I too spent $15, in my case on Arma 2 to play Day Z, and I have to say I also got my money's worth, so I'm with you on that.

#14473 BigSpoonyBard

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:43 AM

I'm on a board game kick, anyone know of some decent Steam adaptations of board games? Memoir '44 was awful in my opinion, not the game just the execution in general. I snagged the freebie Ticket to Ride for iOS the other day and just got me wanting some more on Steam for multiplayer.


I don't think it is on Steam and I haven't played it, but there is this:

http://www.gamersgat...NNE/carcassonne

Also: Carcassonne on ios is pretty much the standard for boardgame implementations on ios. It's fantastic.

I was pointed to this question, as I'm big on board games, but to be honest I really don't play them in digital form. I wasn't even aware Days of Wonder had Memoir on Steam. I do want Ticket to Ride, but I'm waiting on a sale.
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I have Ticket to Ride on ios and Steam. It's hard to screw up TtR, so buy it anywhere and everywhere :D

iPhone is the land of fantastic geek tier board game adaptations. In fact they're about the only non terrible games on the system.

This. It's the reason I won't leave my iphone for android. I love my boardgame apps too much.

I wholeheartedly recommend Neuroshima Hex. It's one of my favorite board games.
You can get it so far only on iDevice or Android, but I've read that they are preparing a PC bigger release. I hope it will be good enough to hit Steam. I would even pay the full price for it on the release day. That's something I've never done before.


Love Neuroshima Hex. Very fun to play on ios.

Also: Hero Academy is kinda-sorta-boardgamey and has good asynchonous gameplay.

With all this talk of ios games, if anyone wants to play TtR (Steam or ios), Carcassonne, Neuroshima Hex, or any other awesome board game on ios, hit me up. BigSpoonyBard on Steam and ios.

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#14474 Cheaplikeafox OS X

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

ITheir return policies and exchange policies are there for good PR, good CS, and sometimes due to state law, but legally their distribution agreements with these vendors puts the entire legal liability for the products on the company that makes their products and not on best buy.


Nope. This depends on what state you live in and what their consumer protection laws consist of.


You conveniently deleted the part where I address just that from my quote. Yes, in some cases state law supersedes the contract signed between Best Buy and their vendors.

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#14475 BigSpoonyBard

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:04 AM

Arguing about hypothetical legal and consumer processes in a videogame thread? Have we no shame?

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#14476 Eldredpe

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:08 AM

Arguing about hypothetical legal and consumer processes in a videogame thread? Have we no shame?


Everyone on the internet has a law degree.

Have I mentioned I'm a SCOTUS justice?

#14477 DPsycho

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:16 AM

Fox, the part you keep seeming to miss is the fact that while, sure, Valve could do whatever they want to, taking any of those actions would destroy their reputation, and this would cost them money and business partnerships in the end. You can keep countering with what they have the right to do, but we're discussing what they are instead likely to do considering that money is on the line. Their handling of the War Z thing is evidence enough.

(And no, I haven't played it, but I'm also not discussing the game's merits, just what happened there on Valve's end.)

Now I don't want to argue, so I'm just leaving it at this. If they want GabeN's vision to be anything more than Amazon Payments, But Valve Instead, there's going to have to be someone assigned to making sure things are legit. (That being said, I could totally see them setting things up that way...)

#14478 Eldredpe

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:28 AM

Fox, the part you keep seeming to miss is the fact that while, sure, Valve could do whatever they want to, taking any of those actions would destroy their reputation, and this would cost them money and business partnerships in the end.


He's not missing that. He's mentioned in every post that these are all hypothetical legal arguments that Valve would never go through with because it would be an absolute PR nightmare.

I believe he's flung around the phrase "media circus" quite liberally tonight.

#14479 TheLongshot

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:39 AM

QFT. I have all of the Reiner Knizia games on iOS. I suppose that many of the designer Eurogames don't really merit a full blown Steam/PC version simply because the graphics and computing power required are comfortably provided for by a modern smartphone or tablet. With all of the iOS/Android conversion we're seeing though, hopefully some of them will make the leap, possibly with global MP including the iOS/Android players.

Going through the boardgamegeek top 100 though, really slim pickings on PC.


Memoir '44 was missing from that list. There is also a free Race For The Galaxy app for PC, which I play against the AI a lot.

It does kinda piss me off that iOS seems to be the target of most developers, since I won't touch an iDevice if I can help it. That being said, most of my online board gaming is done via web anyways. (Yucata.de is my big hangout. I used to play on BSW, which is good for live games.)
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#14480 asheskitty

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:43 AM

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Thanks! ^_^ (and whenever I see mention I check the orcz page, though they didn't list the recent like us on myface (or was it spacebook?) for 5 golden keys, while ign did).

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#14481 DPsycho

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:46 AM

He's not missing that. He's mentioned in every post that these are all hypothetical legal arguments that Valve would never go through with because it would be an absolute PR nightmare.


I guess I'm just not used to someone saying that others are entirely wrong about something and then, apparently, agreeing with them entirely. :roll:

I believe he's flung around the phrase "media circus" quite liberally tonight.


That one was mine, actually. :D It's amusing to be able to mention Rapelay without it derailing the (admittedly tangential) conversation.

#14482 Eldredpe

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 05:53 AM

That one was mine, actually. :D It's amusing to be able to mention Rapelay without it derailing the (admittedly tangential) conversation.


Ah, ok.

I didn't go back to fact check before posting, because... you know... the Internet.

To be honest, I'm still a little confused on what the points of disagreement the two of you have are.

#14483 spuffin

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:03 AM

The Creature Slaughter Dome hasn't been on sale at all yet :cry:


Not worth it in the slightest. Just join someone's game that owns it and you can play it, including being able to trigger the quests and get exp and rewards.

Unless they patched it out, anyways

#14484 Severose

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:16 AM

Not worth it in the slightest. Just join someone's game that owns it and you can play it, including being able to trigger the quests and get exp and rewards.

Unless they patched it out, anyways


I still want to buy it at 75% off god dammit! :-x

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#14485 spuffin

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 06:35 AM

I still want to buy it at 75% off god dammit! :-x


But then they'll know completionists will pay for small insignificant pieces of games which you've probably already out leveled.

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#14486 Cheaplikeafox OS X

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:43 AM

I guess I'm just not used to someone saying that others are entirely wrong about something and then, apparently, agreeing with them entirely. :roll:

That one was mine, actually. :D It's amusing to be able to mention Rapelay without it derailing the (admittedly tangential) conversation.


I didn't agree with you entirely. I actually made a pretty big distinction. My disagreement really stems from making statements like "Steam can't" do something and "Best Buy would have to." They're misleading and inaccurate and entirely wrong.

Maybe it's just a big misunderstanding and we're really saying the same thing, but there is a huge difference between what companies have to do and what they actually do.

Your initial posts seemed worried about possible legal implications if Steam was hosting games that were infringing copyrights or breaking laws and seemed to try to make a connection between that and Steam having to safeguard against that. Anything they do would be for PR or CS reasons and the legal implications really have nothing to do with that.

Again, maybe a big misunderstanding, but it just seems that your were basing your worries on a fundamentally flawed view of what Valve's legal obligations are.

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#14487 dfg

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:23 AM

Not worth it in the slightest. Just join someone's game that owns it and you can play it, including being able to trigger the quests and get exp and rewards.

Unless they patched it out, anyways


It does save time if you're shooting for all the achievements, because its entrance is the closest to the part of the Wildlife Exploitation Preserve that has the 4 cardboard boxes that are guaranteed to spawn the midget enemies when you're on a certain quest. Otherwise, you need to do a lot more running to zone in/out and get them to respawn.

That looks much more ridiculous written out than it sounded in my head.
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#14488 travathian

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

You conveniently deleted the part where I address just that from my quote. Yes, in some cases state law supersedes the contract signed between Best Buy and their vendors.


No, I purposefully ignored it. It is intellectually dishonest. You rant for multiple paragraphs over the last two pages about how you are right and they are wrong. Then with 5 words you essentially claim that oops, in some areas you are totally wrong. It's like those drug commercials where they tell you how great your life will be with this new drug, and go on and on and on about it, and then at the end the fine print goes flying by and some dude rambles for 10 seconds about anal leakage, unwanted back hair, dry mouth, and oh, this drug might not do anything for you. Which is why I only posted your example because you conveniently forgot to start it with "unless local law dictates otherwise."

#14489 Cheaplikeafox OS X

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

No, I purposefully ignored it. It is intellectually dishonest. You rant for multiple paragraphs over the last two pages about how you are right and they are wrong. Then with 5 words you essentially claim that oops, in some areas you are totally wrong. It's like those drug commercials where they tell you how great your life will be with this new drug, and go on and on and on about it, and then at the end the fine print goes flying by and some dude rambles for 10 seconds about anal leakage, unwanted back hair, dry mouth, and oh, this drug might not do anything for you. Which is why I only posted your example because you conveniently forgot to start it with "unless local law dictates otherwise."


:roll: Yes, because placing it in the middle of my rant as opposed to the beginning makes it "intellectually dishonest." I could go on, but at this point it's really not worth it since apparently I have to be careful where I place my words ;)

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#14490 Preedatore

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Posted 08 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

But then they'll know completionists will pay for small insignificant pieces of games which you've probably already out leveled.

think about what you're doing!

They'll know!


I think the slaughter dome missions somewhat scale to your level. I did the first 2 creature rounds but couldn't play on at the time. At the time I was on Round 3 as a lvl 21 mission. I came back a while later at level 32 and retook the mission and it was now a lvl 28.