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#391 KingBroly

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:36 AM

Next week is going to annihilate my wallet. Ow.

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I know they're not all Wii U games, but still...damn damn damn.
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#392 Crunchewy

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:17 PM

I love the thread title change. :)

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#393 Blaster man

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:47 PM

I love the thread title change. :)


I took a request. :)


Can we just have the thread title changed to:
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#394 Javery

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

He also said games will cost 69.99 this gen even though sony already said they would still be 59.99.


LOL. I have a hard time paying $20 for ANY game. $70 is just a non-starter. There are way too many other entertainment options out there these days...

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#395 Blaster man

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:17 PM

LOL. I have a hard time paying $20 for ANY game. $70 is just a non-starter. There are way too many other entertainment options out there these days...


To a certain extent he's right about the price. They haven't raised it but companies plan on making it up on the back end. Example: EA recently announced that ALL their games are going to have micro transactions.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

To a certain extent he's right about the price. They haven't raised it but companies plan on making it up on the back end. Example: EA recently announced that ALL their games are going to have micro transactions.


Micro transactions are optional and in no way are needed to buy to play the game.

A better point you could have brought is DLC but again, that is optional.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:01 PM

To a certain extent he's right about the price. They haven't raised it but companies plan on making it up on the back end. Example: EA recently announced that ALL their games are going to have micro transactions.


Micro transactions are optional and in no way are needed to buy to play the game.

A better point you could have brought is DLC but again, that is optional.

Don't try and defend Patcher. Hes well known to be an idiot.

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#398 Blaster man

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:14 PM

Micro transactions are optional and in no way are needed to buy to play the game.

A better point you could have brought is DLC but again, that is optional.

Don't try and defend Patcher. Hes well known to be an idiot.


DLC is also optional (though lately some games have been putting the ending in it). I do think that micro transactions in all games will result in more money...maybe not a full $10 per game but you never know.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:15 PM

DLC is also optional (though lately some games have been putting the ending in it). I do think that micro transactions in all games will result in more money...maybe not a full $10 per game but you never know.


Still though, he is 100% incorrect that games will cost $69.99 this gen.

EA is the only company that i know of that is even doing Micro transactions.

It will make them more money clearly, because there are people that will do it, but in no way is it needed to enjoy the game.

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

Oversaturation of DLC/Microtransactions does turn consumers off and worsens the product as a result. In addition to them being EA, that doesn't strike me as a good business plan.
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#401 Blaster man

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Posted 11 March 2013 - 11:29 PM

Oversaturation of DLC/Microtransactions does turn consumers off and worsens the product as a result. In addition to them being EA, that doesn't strike me as a good business plan.


So far the micro transactions have been fairly benign. It's a way of getting good stuff earlier and/or faster. Basically, you can pay for "cheats" that don't disable achievements.

#402 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 01:35 PM

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:00 PM

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Wow. I thought Nintendo claimed that they don't make a profit on the Wii U hardware. If this price drop becomes official, their financials are going to take a big hit. And this "temporary" price cut must be financed by Nintendo behind the scenes, or the retailers would be taking huge losses; margins on consoles are pretty small to begin with.

#404 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

Wow. I thought Nintendo claimed that they don't make a profit on the Wii U hardware. If this price drop becomes official, their financials are going to take a big hit. And this "temporary" price cut must be financed by Nintendo behind the scenes, or the retailers would be taking huge losses; margins on consoles are pretty small to begin with.


To be fair, they said that the Wii U was revenue positive after one game is sold. Nintendo's take on one game is roughly $10 for the licensing fee (excluding games made by Nintendo which are obviously more profitable). That means that Nintendo's loss was less than $10 at that time.
http://www.ign.com/a...-one-games-sale

This hardware was probably manufactured in August or September so we're talking about 6 months ago. I'd imagine they have reduced the production cost of the hardware a bit so the hardware is probably selling at a profit right now. Taking a $50 hit per console might only result in a 35-40 dollar loss per unit to them right now and they've got loads of money (more than they need to operate) so they can afford the loss. Once they get a critical mass of people that own the Wii U the hardware losses will be lowered due to increased game sales.

Also keep in mind that half the cost of the Wii U is the gamepad. Considering that the gamepad is OLD TECHNOLOGY, it should become very cheap very fast. Resistive touch screens are very old and very cheap compared to capacitive. I'd expect they could lower the price $50 now and be breaking even on that cost by this time next year if not sooner.

These are some of the reasons I'm fairly confident a price drop is imminent. I'm expecting one in the next 30-45 days. If it doesn't happen then, it will definitely happen before the end of the year.

#405 Indiana

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

Well 1 euro = 1.31 dollars today so europe was already paying more than US for the same thing. So really this price drop for them puts it in line with the US prices. It's a little cheaper than US but nothing major. $260 and $326.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

If sales of the system have tanked then a price drop must happen. You have to sell a certain number of consoles or 3rd parties will not make any games for it. Also the more consoles out there the greater the chance for additional game sales.

#407 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

Well 1 euro = 1.31 dollars today so europe was already paying more than US for the same thing. So really this price drop for them puts it in line with the US prices. It's a little cheaper than US but nothing major. $260 and $326.


Europe also pays VAT which means they may not be paying all that much more for the hardware. In the UK I believe the VAT is 20%. If we paid that then a 350 Wii u would be 420.

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#408 itachiitachi

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:20 PM

done!

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#409 SaraAB

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:36 PM

If retailers aren't moving units then they have to reduce the price to move units, if they aren't moving units they aren't selling games and accessories and accessories is how the retailers make most of their profit. Games and systems are relatively low margin and don't carry much profit for a retailer, they are just there to get you in the door and hope you buy other stuff in the process. If an item is not moving then the retailer is not making a profit on things that just sit around and they could be using the shelf space of the dead product to fill up with other products that might actually move and make profit.

If they are reducing the price on systems then that means they are willing to take a small hit on the original item in order to hopefully move some of the games and accessories that are just sitting around. More games constantly are coming out and the retailer needs to have shelf space for those that are coming out, and there is only so much shelf space to go around.

This is the slow time for system sales so I am not surprised, though easter is coming and easter is apparently the next Christmas in terms of giving gifts now, as kids get "easter" gifts such as games and systems, so hopefully sales will spur a bit from that.

The 3DS may be a couple generations behind however it has the better games of the 2 Nintendo systems, its clear that Nintendo consoles lack games, however their handhelds more than make up for it. I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out. The only way hardware would get in the way is if its so bad it causes problems on certain games, like if the games crash. The 3DS is totally worth purchasing, as with any system though you should look at the library and make sure there is something you want to personally play on it before you buy.

#410 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:07 PM

If retailers aren't moving units then they have to reduce the price to move units, if they aren't moving units they aren't selling games and accessories and accessories is how the retailers make most of their profit. Games and systems are relatively low margin and don't carry much profit for a retailer, they are just there to get you in the door and hope you buy other stuff in the process. If an item is not moving then the retailer is not making a profit on things that just sit around and they could be using the shelf space of the dead product to fill up with other products that might actually move and make profit.

If they are reducing the price on systems then that means they are willing to take a small hit on the original item in order to hopefully move some of the games and accessories that are just sitting around. More games constantly are coming out and the retailer needs to have shelf space for those that are coming out, and there is only so much shelf space to go around.

This is the slow time for system sales so I am not surprised, though easter is coming and easter is apparently the next Christmas in terms of giving gifts now, as kids get "easter" gifts such as games and systems, so hopefully sales will spur a bit from that.

The 3DS may be a couple generations behind however it has the better games of the 2 Nintendo systems, its clear that Nintendo consoles lack games, however their handhelds more than make up for it. I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out. The only way hardware would get in the way is if its so bad it causes problems on certain games, like if the games crash. The 3DS is totally worth purchasing, as with any system though you should look at the library and make sure there is something you want to personally play on it before you buy.


My daughter is 4 and has a DSi. IIRC the 3DS is not suitable for kids under 6 because the 3D from it can cause lazy eye and other development problems in the eye. IIRC 6-10 or 6-12 the 3D should be used on a limited basis for similar reasons though its less severe. I can't see getting a 3DS for at least 3-4 years because of this.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:46 PM

I would go as far as to say that their handhelds are the best in the business, even better than Sony or Apple or any smartphone. In the end the hardware does not matter, what matters is that there are good games coming out.


Vita has taken the best handheld honor for me. I guess it could be partially that the 3DS although has good games aren't appealing to me anymore. Everyone keeps talking up this amazing library but I don't see it. Even the stuff I've waited for Paper Mario, Castlevania, etc. seem to be getting average or mediocre scores. There have been some gems like Super Mario 3D Land and RE Revelations but overall I'm not playing it as much as I did my DS. Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, and Japanese Role Playing game XYZ are not reaching me.

I also use to say hardware doesn't matter but after holding a VITA I'm not so sure. Honestly if there was anything Nintendo should do would be to use a better screen. They always cheap out in that respect. Granted I know the 3D probably drove up the cost but I'd take an OLED over the 3D any day. The 3DS doesn't even live up to Nintendo's handheld standards in my opinion either. The original was clunky and awkward. The XL is better but not perfect. I guess it's being a little harsh on Nintendo but I just feel as if the whole package is lackluster.

My daughter is 4 and has a DSi. IIRC the 3DS is not suitable for kids under 6 because the 3D from it can cause lazy eye and other development problems in the eye. IIRC 6-10 or 6-12 the 3D should be used on a limited basis for similar reasons though its less severe. I can't see getting a 3DS for at least 3-4 years because of this.

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http://www.kotaku.co...-six-years-old/


Very understandable...the one thing is though you can completely disable the 3D in the system menu so even if kids play with the slider nothing happens.

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#412 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:13 PM

Very understandable...the one thing is though you can completely disable the 3D in the system menu so even if kids play with the slider nothing happens.


I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?

#413 Crunchewy

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:17 PM

I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?


Larger and higher resolution/widescreen. Analog stick. And of course the games it plays which aren't available on the DSi.

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#414 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

Larger and higher resolution/widescreen. Analog stick. And of course the games it plays which aren't available on the DSi.


How many 3DS specific games would be appropriate for a 4 year old that can't really read?

#415 KingBroly

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:57 PM

You mean ones that are out right now? hmm...

New Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario 3D Land

It's sorta hard to think about games, any game, where text isn't a potential limiting factor due to how most developers handle tutorials nowadays. These 2 games, particularly in the case of SM3DL, isn't something that you need 3D to enjoy, nor are they intrusive or hurtful to the eyes. I, personally have severe problems with 3D in terms of games, movies and tv, but these 2 games I play without any problems with 3D on.

I might be able to throw Mario Kart 7 in there as well, but I'm sure you're going to say 'oh, Mario Kart isn't specific to 3DS.'
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:38 PM

I know but she's got a DSi so what's the point in buying a 3DS and disabling the 3D?


I wasn't implying you go rush out and buy one, just letting you know it was an option. Sounds like you already knew. Word.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:42 PM

The amazing games are in Rune Factory 4 and Pokemon X/Y which are upcoming games. These games will definitely come out though. I only have 2 3DS games to my name right now, Style Savvy and Devil survivor overclocked. I am more than busy with the Pokemon Black and White games though,.IMO both are good and are more than enough to last me until the next release especially with all the other games I already own. I am interested in harvest moon a new beginning but I am going to wait for a price drop on that as Rune Factory is coming out in July and is basically a better, non boring version of Harvest Moon.

You can turn off the 3D permanently on the 3DS with the parental controls so there is no reason to limit your daughters choices for that reason. I have never even used the 3D on my 3DS and I don't plan on it either, I really don't feel like I am losing anything either by not using it. I have a 3DS for the upcoming games, not for the stupid 3D.

I have never actually heard of a case where a child's eyes were damaged by 3D, so either everyone is being super careful with this device, or its just a statement put out by Nintendo in case someone does sue them if a kid under 7 uses the 3D. Ironically a lot of kids I see with this device are in strollers. I would also assume if this device can be damaging then sitting in front of a 3D movie would also be just as bad, and most 3D movies are targeted at kids under 7.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:00 PM

To be fair, they said that the Wii U was revenue positive after one game is sold. Nintendo's take on one game is roughly $10 for the licensing fee (excluding games made by Nintendo which are obviously more profitable). That means that Nintendo's loss was less than $10 at that time.
http://www.ign.com/a...-one-games-sale

This hardware was probably manufactured in August or September so we're talking about 6 months ago. I'd imagine they have reduced the production cost of the hardware a bit so the hardware is probably selling at a profit right now. Taking a $50 hit per console might only result in a 35-40 dollar loss per unit to them right now and they've got loads of money (more than they need to operate) so they can afford the loss. Once they get a critical mass of people that own the Wii U the hardware losses will be lowered due to increased game sales.

Also keep in mind that half the cost of the Wii U is the gamepad. Considering that the gamepad is OLD TECHNOLOGY, it should become very cheap very fast. Resistive touch screens are very old and very cheap compared to capacitive. I'd expect they could lower the price $50 now and be breaking even on that cost by this time next year if not sooner.

These are some of the reasons I'm fairly confident a price drop is imminent. I'm expecting one in the next 30-45 days. If it doesn't happen then, it will definitely happen before the end of the year.


Actually they don't make money after one game is sold, that was an erroneous statement by Reggie that was later retracted:

http://mynintendonew...ts-new-console/

Which means they're losing a fair amount of money on each console, making a price cut a pretty tough option.

Also, if half the cost of the Wii U console bundle is taken up by the gamepad, what does that leave for the Wii U console itself? Not much. That might explain the massively scaled back specs/features.

#419 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:26 PM

The amazing games are in Rune Factory 4 and Pokemon X/Y which are upcoming games. These games will definitely come out though. I only have 2 3DS games to my name right now, Style Savvy and Devil survivor overclocked. I am more than busy with the Pokemon Black and White games though,.IMO both are good and are more than enough to last me until the next release especially with all the other games I already own. I am interested in harvest moon a new beginning but I am going to wait for a price drop on that as Rune Factory is coming out in July and is basically a better, non boring version of Harvest Moon.

You can turn off the 3D permanently on the 3DS with the parental controls so there is no reason to limit your daughters choices for that reason. I have never even used the 3D on my 3DS and I don't plan on it either, I really don't feel like I am losing anything either by not using it. I have a 3DS for the upcoming games, not for the stupid 3D.

I have never actually heard of a case where a child's eyes were damaged by 3D, so either everyone is being super careful with this device, or its just a statement put out by Nintendo in case someone does sue them if a kid under 7 uses the 3D. Ironically a lot of kids I see with this device are in strollers. I would also assume if this device can be damaging then sitting in front of a 3D movie would also be just as bad, and most 3D movies are targeted at kids under 7.


Those RPG's require more reading than a 4 year old can do...not sure if you'e been exposed to many 4 year old's. I have Kinect and that's a big hit with the kids. Kinect Sesame Street TV is a favorite as is Happy Action Theater. I got the Book of Spells for her for PS Move but it scared the living shit out of her.

Well when you have kids you can go ahead and let your kids use the 3D because you never heard anyone got hurt with it before....for me I'll just go with what the experts and Nintendo themselves say. I'd rather not be the cause of my kid having eye problems for life just so she can play games in 3D when she's 4.

#420 Blaster man

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:40 PM

Pachter is predicting sales in the 80k range for the month of Feb for the Wii U and that same number for the Wii. Bring on the Pachter love (to hate)!

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