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#2521 dirtyvu

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:12 AM

That's because on a lot of crappy flash drives write speed isn't very good, but you still may have fast read times.


I can give you a stack of flash drives that are miserable to use on a 360. stuff like they hand out for free at conventions. the 8GB or 16GB flash drives that are free after rebate. I literally have a drawer filled with flash drives collected over the years. things from the collectibles (like a yoda flash drive) to the cheap $3 16 GB generic Chinese drives all the way to high end drives. if you guys haven't had any problems in regular usage, it's because you haven't been exposed to enough drives.

as if I wasn't clear before, there's a lot more to the experience of the flash drive than just loading a game. it's reading and writing to your game saves, your gamertag profile, adjusting your avatar, etc. sometimes the difference is dramatic, but it's not always dramatic like 10x slower or something. add a couple seconds here, a couple seconds there. but over time, it all just feels sluggish.

#2522 gotdott

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:29 AM

doh just realized my live ran out a couple of days ago. what a waste of bing points lol

#2523 gordojones88

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:07 AM

Okay. I had some time this morning so I gathered every USB drive I had that had 1 GB free on it. Ended up being 11 different ones - christ I didn't realize how many USB sticks I had. I then benchmarked how long each one took to transfer 735mb of data to and from. Pretty much each drive was different. Everything from Memorex to Sony to Sandisk to Lexar to random unnamed ones (most of them are ones I found discarded while I was working at a university, some I've bought from various places and for various reasons). And I decided to try and let science and observation settle this. Though in saying this I used my macbook only so perhaps that slants the findings as I know nothing of how the architecture of the xbox works with USB drives. But in transferring a file I could not find a single difference between any of the drives. They all transferred a 735mb AVI file to my macbook in and around 44 seconds and it took quite a bit longer to upload it to the sticks but each one took around 2 minutes and 20 seconds, though perhaps in retrospect that might have also been due to the fact that I was making it overwrite an existing file. Maybe I should have done a clean upload but still. There are my results. I stand by my original statement and feel far less ignorant in offering this advice now. According to everything I can see there seems to be absolutely zero difference between any of these drives in terms of speed in terms of file transfers. Perhaps there are drives out there that are better or worse than others but it seems typically that this is not the case, that they seemingly are built in similar ways and provide similar results. Though as I said I don't know how the Xbox architecture works and I didn't run any programs off the sticks to test speeds so perhaps my test is moot. I don't know. But my feelings is that they are all pretty much the same.



No. There is a lot lot lot more to just timing the transfer speed of a single large file. It's okay if someone doesn't know how it all works, but some small sampling of anecdotal evidence is not scientific. Reading large sequential files are the fastest. It's a bunch of small random writes that are slow. If you check prices, you will see USB 2.0 flash drives that offer really truly fast read/write speeds, but especially write speeds, cost a lot more than these el cheapo drives everybody has in their collection. Testing a bunch of low cost flash drives tells you that they are all similar, well of course.

In the long run this stuff only matters if the USB drive gets heavy use everyday, it's unbearably slow, and you are willing to pay more for better performance.

To get an idea of how it works, try the program 'CrystalDiskMark 3'. You can use it on any kind of drive. You will have to do some googling and wikipediaing to understand what all the different numbers mean. In essence, if the USB 2.0 flash drive has the typical 4MB/s sequential write speed, it's a slow one. It should be 10~20MB/s write speed for good performance.
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#2524 paean

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:42 AM

Picked up VF5 FS and VF2. Thinking about FV but I am not too nostalgic about that particular title.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:49 AM

I picked up the three easy ones. Well, here I come, easy achievements.

#2526 neoKEN

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:36 AM

Wow. This is the most XBLA games I bought in a single day. Got Nights Into Dreams, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic the Fighter, and Fighting Vipers. All of them happen to be SEGA games.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:46 AM

I can give you a stack of flash drives that are miserable to use on a 360. stuff like they hand out for free at conventions. the 8GB or 16GB flash drives that are free after rebate. I literally have a drawer filled with flash drives collected over the years. things from the collectibles (like a yoda flash drive) to the cheap $3 16 GB generic Chinese drives all the way to high end drives. if you guys haven't had any problems in regular usage, it's because you haven't been exposed to enough drives.

as if I wasn't clear before, there's a lot more to the experience of the flash drive than just loading a game. it's reading and writing to your game saves, your gamertag profile, adjusting your avatar, etc. sometimes the difference is dramatic, but it's not always dramatic like 10x slower or something. add a couple seconds here, a couple seconds there. but over time, it all just feels sluggish.


I was merely replying to why his load times might be good.
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#2528 FriskyTanuki

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:37 AM

Following up a boring day of fighting game sales with a full week of more fighting game sales makes for a boring week that could only be beaten by an RTS or Horror sale.

#2529 Obiwan456

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:53 AM

Well, I had fun with them. Sure, it's only been an hour and a half, and I 100% them all, but, you know what? I actually had fun. I got my $6 worth.

#2530 kayne2000

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:15 AM

im stuck on VF2 stage 4. cant beat that boss. dont know why. i suppose i may try my turbo controller and see if that will do that trick. but seriously cheap BS AI.

why must fighting games have that? and this even on easy.

#2531 MetalMegaGio

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:18 AM

So I might be the only person that actually found enjoyment in playing Sonic The Fighters. I might buy Virtua Fighter 2 but not the Fighting Vipers game the A.I kicks my butt in the demo. I would get Virtua Fighter 5:FS but i already have Virtua Fighter 5:Online and I dont play online so theres no point in buying VF:FS.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:43 AM

Well I decided to buy all 3 cheapo fighters. I am just not a fighting game fan. Maybe if I had a fight stick I would like them more but playing with the controller just feels wrong. I am at 1180/1200. I just need to be chapter 5 on Virtua Fighter 2. I will give it a go sometime else. At little burnt out doing all the stupid things to get achievements. Not sure it was worth the points but I am now at 71,010. I was kind of hoping to get to 100,000 before the next system launches but we will see.

#2533 rapsodist

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:04 AM

Wow. This is the most XBLA games I bought in a single day. Got Nights Into Dreams, Virtua Fighter 2, Sonic the Fighter, and Fighting Vipers. All of them happen to be SEGA games.


You do realize that this is a Sega sale, right? :lol:

#2534 Versafied

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

Got all the classic Sega Fighting games (and Nights). Hoping Sega releases Fighters Megamix soon.

On the fence for Karateka and Jojo.

Wish I can do this for the remake of Karateka.



#2535 kayne2000

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:56 AM

Well I decided to buy all 3 cheapo fighters. I am just not a fighting game fan. Maybe if I had a fight stick I would like them more but playing with the controller just feels wrong. I am at 1180/1200. I just need to be chapter 5 on Virtua Fighter 2. I will give it a go sometime else. At little burnt out doing all the stupid things to get achievements. Not sure it was worth the points but I am now at 71,010. I was kind of hoping to get to 100,000 before the next system launches but we will see.


shooting for 100 eh? im only around 55 lol

#2536 ViolentLee

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 09:00 AM

Always wanted to play Fighting Vipers, but never had a Saturn. Now, for $2, I have my chance. I hope they also put out the weapon fighter with the 3-section staff in it. Last Bronx, was it called? 3-section staff is a bitch to use in real life.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:53 AM

Always wanted to play Fighting Vipers, but never had a Saturn. Now, for $2, I have my chance. I hope they also put out the weapon fighter with the 3-section staff in it. Last Bronx, was it called? 3-section staff is a bitch to use in real life.

I Kinda forgot how many good games there were on Saturn. Burning Rangers is another one I want to see besides the obvious ones of Panzer Dragoon games and Dragon Force.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Does Sonic the Fighters have two very poorly animated "cars" fighting each other?

Touche. That's also how I imagine that Transmorphers movie looks like as well.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 01:10 PM

im stuck on VF2 stage 4. cant beat that boss. dont know why. i suppose i may try my turbo controller and see if that will do that trick. but seriously cheap BS AI.

why must fighting games have that? and this even on easy.


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#2539 ps2emotions

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

I saw last night that blade kitten was 400 points. When did it drop to this and is it the same price on PSN? Worth it or not?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

I saw last night that blade kitten was 400 points. When did it drop to this and is it the same price on PSN? Worth it or not?


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Yes.

Maybe. 400 is the absolute max I'd recommend someone pay for it. The game started to feel like a chore about half way through, I didn't much enjoy it.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

im stuck on VF2 stage 4. cant beat that boss. dont know why. i suppose i may try my turbo controller and see if that will do that trick. but seriously cheap BS AI.

why must fighting games have that? and this even on easy.


I had trouble too. What I did, set the match to 15 seconds and use Dural. Spam his up+B kick. Doesn't quite work 100%, but I managed to beat her after three tries. As long as you deal more damage to her than she does to you, it still counts. Thankfully you don't have to complete the entire game.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:10 PM

I remember playing the demo for Blade Kitten & it just felt really bland. To think it was originally $15 when it was released. If you liked the demo, $5 seems decent enough, but from what I've heard, it's more or less the same as what you play in the demo.
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#2543 ooga

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

Not sure what this means since the game was supposedly canceled, but the Double Dragon 2 remake now suddenly has achievements. I guess news of it's demise were greatly exaggerated. Rejoice EastX. ;)


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#2544 eastx

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:28 PM

Not sure what this means since the game was supposedly canceled, but the Double Dragon 2 remake now suddenly has achievements. I guess news of it's demise were greatly exaggerated. Rejoice EastX. ;)


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:11 PM

I wish that Guardian Heroes were part of the Sega sale. I still have my Saturn copy, fortunately, but it would be nice to play it without dragging out my Saturn.

#2546 ViolentLee

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

^^ Yes, Guardian Heroes! Another gem that has eluded me. Though I did play Guardian Heroes Advanced on GBA.
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:53 PM

Following up a boring day of fighting game sales with a full week of more fighting game sales makes for a boring week that could only be beaten by an RTS or Horror sale.


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#2548 eastx

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

Damn, at first I thought Double Dragon Neon was getting a sequel. I'll take that DD2 remake in any case. I had low expectations for Neon and that turned out to be one of my personal best games of 2012.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

Following up a boring day of fighting game sales with a full week of more fighting game sales makes for a boring week that could only be beaten by an RTS or Horror sale.


Agreed. Microsoft and Sega should have sales and new releases tailored specifically to my tastes. I am entitled to at least this much.

I spend a lot of money on XBLA, so Microsoft needs to meet my sense of entitlement each and every week. My mom tells me I'm special every day. She isn't wrong.